Zenmervolt
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So it all boils down to...if you don't agree with me then STFU. Further evidence that the human race is devolving into brain dead zombies. Wonderful....just wonderful. :roll:
I don't see the OP saying to STFU here (though admittedly he has in other threads). He's saying that the best thing the Republicans can do is be patient. One of two things can happen.
A. The Democrats do well, the economy picks back up, world opinion of the US goes up, and everything comes up roses.
B. The Democrats do badly and things get worse.
If the Republicans continue with their sour grapes and A happens, their numbers are only going to get worse. If B happens, Republicans won't have to say a thing other than "I told you so." Strategically speaking, all of the whining from the far right blowhards will accomplish nothing and likely serve to only further tarnish their image.
A. The Democrats do well, the economy picks back up, world opinion of the US goes up, and everything comes up roses.
B. The Democrats do badly and things get worse.
If the Republicans continue with their sour grapes and A happens, their numbers are only going to get worse. If B happens, Republicans won't have to say a thing other than "I told you so." Strategically speaking, all of the whining from the far right blowhards will accomplish nothing and likely serve to only further tarnish their image.
No, Lincoln was a fascist. Ending slavery had nothing to do with compassion and everything to do with damaging the south.
Originally posted by: dartworth
why would anyone want this...?
do you hate your county?
to many mindless dittoheads running around
So it was ok for the libs to wish this for how many years, now shoe is on the other foot somehow we are "unamerican"....
Do I hate my country, no....do I not like the current administration and wish they do poorly, yes.
Originally posted by: dartworth
why would anyone want this...?
do you hate your county?
to many mindless dittoheads running around
You mean like the bleeding-hearts that would cheer everytime something negative happened on the world stage to the US the last 8 years?
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: dartworth
why would anyone want this...?
do you hate your county?
to many mindless dittoheads running around
You mean like the bleeding-hearts that would cheer everytime something negative happened on the world stage to the US the last 8 years?
Your own sentence contradicts itself.
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: dartworth
why would anyone want this...?
do you hate your county?
to many mindless dittoheads running around
So it was ok for the libs to wish this for how many years, now shoe is on the other foot somehow we are "unamerican"....
Do I hate my country, no....do I not like the current administration and wish they do poorly, yes.
Not quite. The "libs" didn't wish that the rethugs would fuck up, we're not retarded enough to hope against our own best interests. However, that never stopped the right-wing, and now the lefties have to come in and try to clean up after the party.
Yet you want them to fail. When was the last time a coherent thought entered your head?
For example: "do I not like the current administration and wish they do poorly, yes".
News Flash...the current administration HAS failed. If you are referring to Obama, well, he isn't the current administration, now is he?
dartworth
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the guy hasn't even been sworn in yet and people are already blaming him for our current problems and damning him to fail...:roll:
you people are really fucked in the head
I am as happy as the next guy to see the current administration leaving, however I would I have been a lot more happier if the current administration didn't make the decisions it made. So carry that hate with you for the next four years. Have fun with that.
you people are really fucked in the head
I am as happy as the next guy to see the current administration leaving, however I would I have been a lot more happier if the current administration didn't make the decisions it made. So carry that hate with you for the next four years. Have fun with that.
You of all people are in no position to accuse anyone of drinking the koolaid, and especially not in position to call anyone a dumb fuck.
I want them at his throat.
If they just roll over and play dead they will keep alienating their base and keep losing seats. The reason the Republicans have fallen is they failed to keep to their base's views and as such tried too much to be like the Democrats.
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: dartworth
why would anyone want this...?
do you hate your county?
to many mindless dittoheads running around
So it was ok for the libs to wish this for how many years, now shoe is on the other foot somehow we are "unamerican"....
Do I hate my country, no....do I not like the current administration and wish they do poorly, yes.
Personally, I didn't want the Bush Admin to do poorly, at all. I wanted them to do things well, even do them *right* sometimes. The possibility was always there, just rarely chosen.
That's apparently a function of their headset- ideological rigidity, cronyism, greed, arrogance, and vindictiveness. Our economy hasn't done a faceplant because anybody got in their way, but rather because they got their way entirely. Pretty much the same wrt Iraq and Afghanistan.
They engaged almost exclusively in simulated rationality- make a decision, then gather what they could to make it seem like a good idea. Any sort of evidence or argument not in support is automatically discarded.
That's what "following your gut" really means. If, through some miracle, you were right in the first place, then you're a visionary. If not, and GWB obviously was not, then you fail, and those you're sworn to lead and protect fail right along with you.
Nobody wanted the Bush Admin to fail- they did that all on their own, despite a lot of people trying to help them see the light...
Have their supporters, their base, had anything constructive to say? Something like "We think that if you do (whatever) then this and that will occur, making the situation better."
Certainly not in this thread, and obviously not in general, either. Until that happens, the Right will merely discredit themselves further. Dig your own grave if you feel you must, but don't say anybody held a gun to your heads to make you do it...
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: dartworth
why would anyone want this...?
do you hate your county?
to many mindless dittoheads running around
So it was ok for the libs to wish this for how many years, now shoe is on the other foot somehow we are "unamerican"....
Do I hate my country, no....do I not like the current administration and wish they do poorly, yes.
Personally, I didn't want the Bush Admin to do poorly, at all. I wanted them to do things well, even do them *right* sometimes. The possibility was always there, just rarely chosen.
That's apparently a function of their headset- ideological rigidity, cronyism, greed, arrogance, and vindictiveness. Our economy hasn't done a faceplant because anybody got in their way, but rather because they got their way entirely. Pretty much the same wrt Iraq and Afghanistan.
They engaged almost exclusively in simulated rationality- make a decision, then gather what they could to make it seem like a good idea. Any sort of evidence or argument not in support is automatically discarded.
That's what "following your gut" really means. If, through some miracle, you were right in the first place, then you're a visionary. If not, and GWB obviously was not, then you fail, and those you're sworn to lead and protect fail right along with you.
Nobody wanted the Bush Admin to fail- they did that all on their own, despite a lot of people trying to help them see the light...
Have their supporters, their base, had anything constructive to say? Something like "We think that if you do (whatever) then this and that will occur, making the situation better."
Certainly not in this thread, and obviously not in general, either. Until that happens, the Right will merely discredit themselves further. Dig your own grave if you feel you must, but don't say anybody held a gun to your heads to make you do it...
Well as much as some Repubs are confused or just plain wrong, I seriously think you -and most other Liberals- would believe the Right is discrediting themselves no matter what the situation... short of them becoming Libs themselves.
So your advice is duly noted :roll:
QuantumPion
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I think Republicans should treat Obama exactly the same as Democrats treated Bush.
Unfortunately it wouldn't work out because liberals are always at the beneficial end of the double standard.
Unfortunately it wouldn't work out because liberals are always at the beneficial end of the double standard.
BurnItDwn
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I think the republicans should try to pass laws that would benefit Americans and they should ignore all lobbyists. Also, they should make each bill just 1 thing, don't include unrelated things into bills in order to make them pass. If they don't manage to pass anything, then at least they try.
exdeath
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Republicans won't have to do anything to win next time, once people understand that you cannot eat or pay your bills with 'hope' and 'change' and that other people buying guns has nothing to do with your over-extended credit and inability to manage your finances.
Democrats only got into power because people are fed up with corrupt back stabbing Republicans, not because they want Democrats.
Democrats would do well to realize that this election wasn't an endorsement for liberal socialist and totalitarian policies but rather a breath of fresh air from the disjointed leaderless Republican party.
If they even so much as LOOK at the assault weapon ban again, expect a repeat of the Republican clean sweep of '96 of both houses to occur again; that alone would be enough for people to just vote R and not even care if that person was the most corrupt jackass on the planet as long as he didn't support the ban.
Essentially Democrats have been given authorization to fix certain things Republicans won't fix, while being trusted not to tamper with things that do not need fixing (eg: gun and abortion rights).
They've been given a chance again, will they abuse that trust and take it too far again or will they stay to the center and stay away from gun control measures? I predict if we see another assault weapon ban and if their socialist economic plan only makes things worse, that we won't see another democratic majority for another 40 years....
Assuming of course the Republicans get their shit together in the next four years and there is actually someone else to vote for.
The only reason democrats won this election is because they were the only ones really running. With the exception of the usual leftist Czars like Pelosi, Boxer, etc, I expect that the majority of the democrats are moderates that will keep most of the leftist extremism in check and give even the Messiah Obama a hard time.
Democrats only got into power because people are fed up with corrupt back stabbing Republicans, not because they want Democrats.
Democrats would do well to realize that this election wasn't an endorsement for liberal socialist and totalitarian policies but rather a breath of fresh air from the disjointed leaderless Republican party.
If they even so much as LOOK at the assault weapon ban again, expect a repeat of the Republican clean sweep of '96 of both houses to occur again; that alone would be enough for people to just vote R and not even care if that person was the most corrupt jackass on the planet as long as he didn't support the ban.
Essentially Democrats have been given authorization to fix certain things Republicans won't fix, while being trusted not to tamper with things that do not need fixing (eg: gun and abortion rights).
They've been given a chance again, will they abuse that trust and take it too far again or will they stay to the center and stay away from gun control measures? I predict if we see another assault weapon ban and if their socialist economic plan only makes things worse, that we won't see another democratic majority for another 40 years....
Assuming of course the Republicans get their shit together in the next four years and there is actually someone else to vote for.
The only reason democrats won this election is because they were the only ones really running. With the exception of the usual leftist Czars like Pelosi, Boxer, etc, I expect that the majority of the democrats are moderates that will keep most of the leftist extremism in check and give even the Messiah Obama a hard time.
I would echo those sentiments. Republicans didn't get out-voted because they stood for limited government and fiscal responsibility but because, once in government, they abandoned the very principles they professed to believe in.
The Press and lapdog Libs will mostly neglect this fact in favor of some message that the American people have repudiated the free-enterprise system and embraced big government.
As sure as the sun rises in the east, the Democrats will overreach, because they don't understand that conservatism's principles remain steadfast in this country.
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