The Battle of Swat

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Thank You, TheGreenBean, for pointing out one of the biggest crocks of shit I have heard in years with, "The security forces also distributed pamphlets in various areas accusing the Taliban of playing in the hands of anti-Pakistan elements. ?They are the same as Jewish forces who are against the existence and security of the country and wanted to create disturbance in the region,? read a leaflet."

That is something that will not fly in the mind of anyone who thinks, while its certain that the "Jews", as a group, have many virtues and faults, but blaming the Jews for this recent escalation of the conflict in Swat has ABSOLUTELY no basis in fact and is only the work of a pamphleteer trying to stir up more religious hatreds than already exists.

Slogans and code words are no substitutes for thinking. Just more human blood to pay for those that wave the bloody shirt and flag of the propagandist.

 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Thank You, TheGreenBean, for pointing out one of the biggest crocks of shit I have heard in years with, "The security forces also distributed pamphlets in various areas accusing the Taliban of playing in the hands of anti-Pakistan elements. ?They are the same as Jewish forces who are against the existence and security of the country and wanted to create disturbance in the region,? read a leaflet."

That is something that will not fly in the mind of anyone who thinks, while its certain that the "Jews", as a group, have many virtues and faults, but blaming the Jews for this recent escalation of the conflict in Swat has ABSOLUTELY no basis in fact and is only the work of a pamphleteer trying to stir up more religious hatreds than already exists.

Slogans and code words are no substitutes for thinking. Just more human blood to pay for those that wave the bloody shirt and flag of the propagandist.
You must have missed the fact that TGB has repeatedly made it clear that he despises Israel even more than the Taliban. If he could only destroy one of the two, he'd probably choose Israel. :Q

The anti-semitism prevalent throughout Pakistan is some of the worst I've ever encountered. It's undeniable ignorance, pure and simple -- and such ignorance based on religiously-inspired blind hatred is the root of the entire problem.

But, you knew that already...
 

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I'd like to drown GB in whiskey and get him some hookers!
just to make him feel "dirty"

whats more backward then the fantasy of religion!
There's a lot of reasons why you shouldn't war! but hell, there's some good reasons too!
I am glad the jews are in ME, one religious nutter against another, it kinda nullifies their potential worldwide.
India has Pakistan in check too so, let em' all learn what the way "forward" is, because if what greenbean says is indicative of such "cultures" they are a long way from the "river".
Filthy dirty animals!
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: gingermeggs
GB- get that platypus avatar off!
it's got nothing in common with the likes of you!

haha you really have no idea. That's the problem with you Americans. You think us religious people don't know how to have fun. I bet we have as much fun as you if not more. Except religion and politics is a subject where it is hard to show that streak. I think you need to realize I'm as much of a human as you are. If I met a Jew; I would shake hands with him. I have no problems with jews. It's the zionists of Israel that would rather see me dead that I have a problem with.
 

Lemon law

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The point being, words can demonize. We can note the insult of curry muncher, zionists, as others use the N word, or the M word, the C word, to characterize and thus call a large group into collective guilt.

Propagandists and demagogues everywhere are especially skilled at using such words to appeal to raw emotion and often then to incite violence. The point being, when any country falls prey to these word association games, its does not say much for the collective intelligence of that nation.

Sadly no nation is immune, after all the USA let GWB&co stampede us into all kinds of stupidities. All they had to do is cry terror, terror, terrorists, and everything became justified.
 

The Green Bean

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MALAKAND: Between 180 and 200 insurgents were killed in the last 24 hours in a fierce military offensive to push Taliban fighters out of Pakistan's northwestern Swat valley, the military said on Sunday.

'During the last 24 hours, as many as 180-200 miscreants have been killed in various areas of Swat and Shangla by security forces,' the military said in a statement.

The military has been pounding the Swat valley and several nearby districts since late last month after Taliban fighters advanced to within 100 kilometres of Islamabad despite a February peace deal.

Meanwhile, on Sunday, the army ordered people out of parts of the Swat valley, temporarily relaxing a curfew to enable civilians to flee an intensifying offensive against Taliban militants.

Hundreds of thousands of people have left Swat in the past week and in all about 500,000 are expected to get out. They join 555,000 people displaced earlier from Swat and other areas because of fighting since August.

?We have ordered the civilian population in four districts to vacate the areas,? said Nasir Khan, a military spokesman in the region. ?They have seven hours to leave because we have to strike militant hideouts there,? he said.

The Swat administration announced that the curfew had been relaxed from 06:00 a.m. to 01:00 p.m. on Sunday and asked the residents of Qamber and Amankot to leave the areas as soon as possible.

?We expect more than 100,000 people will quit their homes at different places in Swat today,? local administration chief Khushhal Khan told AFP, adding that while vehicles would be allowed to leave the valley, no one would be allowed in.

The UN refugee agency has warned up to one million people have already been displaced in northwest Pakistan, with tens of thousands streaming out of Buner, Lower Dir and Swat, registering in camps or sheltering with families.

The government has said it was bracing to cope with half a million people displaced by the fighting.

Earlier, on Saturday, at least 44 militants were killed when jet fighters, helicopter gunships and artillery shelled different areas in Swat, Dir and Malakand.

Local people and officials said that 25 militants had been killed and several others wounded in the bombing and shelling in Qambar, Amankot, Green Chowk, Landi Kas, Shahiabad, Namal, Chamkali, Wenai and Peuchar areas of Swat.

The longstanding curfew in the entire Malakand division had multiplied the misery of the displaced and a large number of people were trapped in their homes in Mingora and other areas of swat.

They had appealed to the government to relax the curfew to enable them to leave their homes for safety. They also alleged that Taliban were stopping them from vacating their houses.

Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said Saturday that the army would minimise civilian casualties while the government would look after those displaced by the conflict. These views echoed President Asif Ali Zardari?s special message from New York, which stated that the government must take special care to protect the refugees of the operation, in particular addressing the needs of women and children. APP quoted the President as saying that a billion rupee fund would be announced for the rehabilitation of the IDPs.

Meanwhile, ten people, militants and non-combatants among them, were killed and five others injured when helicopter gunships shelled Maizara and Thana areas of Malakand.

A mortar shell hit the house of one Qadir Gul in Thana village, killing his daughter-in-law and grand son. Another shell hit a house in the same area, killing Qayyum, son of Habibur Rehman, and Hazrat Nawab, son of Abdul Wahab.

Hundreds of people left their homes in Thana and Batkhela and moved to other areas through Palai road via Buner. About 500 new families arrived at the Rangmala relief camp. A large number of people were stranded on roads because of curfew.

Thirteen militants, including a key commander, were killed and five others wounded when security forces pounded militant hideouts in Maidan, Lower Dir.

Clashes between security forces and militants were also reported in Hayaserai, Kumbar and Darro areas of Maidan. Several bunkers and hideouts of militants were destroyed in Kolal Dheri, a stronghold of the Taliban.

The security forces recaptured the bungalow of Khan of Hayaserai, a son of the late Nawab-i-Dir. It was occupied by militants a few days ago.

Officials claimed that troops had cleared Hayaserai, Kumbar and Darro villages of militants.

However, a spokesman for the Taliban told Dawn by phone from an unspecified location that they had repulsed attacks by security forces in Kumbar and Hayaserai and claimed that troops suffered heavy casualties. Civilian casualties were reported in the Maidan fighting.

?Taliban have taken shelter in vacated houses and are attacking security forces,? the spokesman said.

Lower Dir DCO Ghulam Mohammad enforced curfew for an indefinite period in the district on Saturday, causing problems for the displaced persons trapped in different areas.

About 12,000 people have moved out of Tazagaram, Shawa, Kityari, Gul Abad, Gaddar, Chakdara and Ouch areas of Adenzai tehsil.Local people said that helicopters gunships had conducted an aerial search of Osakai and Warsak areas of Adenzai, sparking panic and fear among the locals.

According to sources, over 100 armed Taliban entered the Osakai village on Saturday evening and asked the residents to vacate their homes. The militants had started taking positions in mountains of the village and a clash between them and security forces might take place any time, the sources added.

The Swat Taliban active in Adenzai areas reportedly held a public gathering at Chakdara Square on Saturday. The meeting, attended by a few people, mostly children, was addressed by a local commander, the sources said. Militants whisked way a local photographer who tried to take footage of the gathering.

In Buner, army troops were moved to cover up the deployment of the Special Service Group on hilltops between Daggar and Pir Baba. Militants offered stiff resistance to SSG personnel soon after they were dropped in the area by helicopters, the sources said.

Security forces, backed by helicopter gunships and tanks, moved to the troubled area. Air and ground forces combed the localities. Heavy artillery pounded hideouts of militants in Patora, Jaffar, Dagger, Pirabai, Ghazi Khanay, Sultanwas and Pir Baba.

Dawn Correspondents Hameedullah Khan, Haleem Asad, Gohar Ali Gohar and Abdur Rehman Abid have contributed to this report.
 

The Green Bean

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PESHAWAR: More than 100,000 people fled Pakistan?s battle-torn northwest Sunday after the government eased a curfew to allow trapped families to escape a military onslaught against the Taliban.



Aid agencies say they fear a major humanitarian disaster as security forces pound militant hideouts and key towns in and around the Swat valley.



The military on Sunday said they had killed between 180 and 200 insurgents in the last 24 hours, marking an upsurge in fighting in the troubled region.



Up to 500,000 desperate people are already believed to have left their homes in Swat and nearby Lower Dir and Buner districts, the United Nations refugee agency has said, many crowding into hastily-set up camps.



?My information is that more than 100,000 have already managed to leave Swat during the curfew break today (Sunday),? said forestry minister Wajid Ali, who is also a lawmaker from Swat?s main town Mingora.



Ali said local authorities had asked the military to extend the curfew break ? which began at 06:00 a.m. (midnight GMT) ? in Swat and Malakand from 03:00 p.m. to 06:00 p.m. as more people tried to flee, but the army said that was impossible.



?We would have extended it but we have reports of movement of militants. Therefore we cannot extend it further,? said local military spokesman Colonel Mohammad Nadeem, adding: ?There are thousands of vehicles on the road.?



With the government unable to provide transport for the panicked refugees, witnesses said people were grabbing what they could and streaming into cars and trucks or setting off on foot with their meager belongings.



?I have just 4,000 rupees cash and some clothes. I must leave today. It is like a doomsday here in Mingora,? said 24-year-old Asifa as she stood at the bus stop clinging to her three children.



?There is nobody to help me. It is everybody for themselves. I am willing to sit even on the roof of the bus, but there is no place.? The government has said it is bracing to cope with half a million people displaced by the fighting.



?The crisis threatens to be the largest man-made humanitarian disaster in Pakistan?s post-independence history,? the British-based charity Muslim Aid said in a statement on Sunday.



Information minister Mian Iftikhar Hussain on Saturday appealed to the international community to help Pakistan cope with the flood of refugees.



?The situation at the camps is very worrisome because the weather is hot and people are facing many difficulties,? Hussain told a news conference.



Thousands of Pakistani troops backed by warplanes and helicopter gunships are involved in the massive operation against Taliban and extremist fighters in the area, where jet fighters were pounding suspected rebel hideouts.



Local administration chief Khushhal Khan said the government had made no arrangements for the transportation of the fleeing civilians, but had set up five more camps in North West Frontier Province where they will be lodged.



Pakistan?s military claims to have killed nearly 400 militants since Friday ? including 180 to 200 in the past day alone ? although the death tolls could not be confirmed independently because of the ongoing military operation.



The fighting has sunk the controversial February deal between the government and a pro-Taliban cleric that aimed to put three million people under sharia law in a bid to end the deadly insurgency.



Critics in Washington said the deal emboldened the Taliban and have welcomed the renewed military offensive. ? AFPp


PESHAWAR: At least twenty-five militants were killed as security forces repelled an attack by over 200 militants in Mohmand, DawnNews reported.



The attack, which targeted a paramilitary check post in Anbar Tehsil along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border in Mohmand, was carried out by heavily armed militants early on Sunday morning.



Vicious gun-battles continued from 02:00 am to 06:00 am in the Had Kor area, before the attackers withdrew.



The violence also left 16 militants and seven security men injured.



Security forces targeted militant hideouts in Ghalanai as the operation in the restive Swat valley continues to gather steam, DawnNews quoted official sources as saying.
 

Lemon law

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Yes, TheGreenBean, its no problem to demonstrate the fact that lots of fighting is going on, no doubt about it, the Pakistani army is doing something. From other reports that I have read, the Taliban is still well entrenched and still control most of the local cities, and in a longer term be almost impossible to dislodge even with an ever continuing war.

The real problem is all those refugees, who will come back, sooner or later, to a blighted world.

Whom will they blame for a fight they did not ask for, thus far I have heard various versions with Nato, the Pakistani government, and the Taliban all being blamed by some of the refugees, but until some scientific polling is conducted that can more accurately assess shifts in attitudes, antipodal reports
can give any answer the writer chooses.

And worse yet, if this Pakistani offensive merely pushes out the Taliban temporarily, and thereafter the refugees come back. And later the Taliban again reassert control with a then required new Pakistani army offensive, could make the whole damn process into a cyclical plague for the residents of the tribal regions.
 

tvarad

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The Pakistani Army is once again showing it's prowess at the one thing it's good at: going to war against it's own people. Are we going to see one, two or more Bangladesh's emerge out of it, like in 1971?
 

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There are only a handful of Sikhs and Hindus living in Pakistan and yet, even these few have not been left in peace. Can you imagine what would happen if India, or Britain or the U.S. imposed a special tax on Muslims just for being Muslims?

Anti-Taliban protests rock Delhi, Uttar Pradesh

Sun, May 10 04:55 PM

New Delhi/Agra, May 10 (ANI): Scores of irate protesters took to streets here on Sunday against the attacks on Sikh community by Taliban in Pakistan's Swat Valley.

Brandishing swords and chanting slogans against Taliban and Pakistan, the protesters also burnt Pakistan flags. They demanded an end to harassment of the Sikh community by Taliban.

"The harassment on the Hindus and Sikhs living inside Pakistan by Taliban should be stopped. If Pakistan does take any steps in curbing these atrocities then all the countries should come together and take action against the Pakistan Government," said Pummy, a protester.

Meanwhile, a group of protesters burnt effigy and staged a demonstration in Agra demanding protection of Sikhs from Taliban fighters.

Thousands of people, including many from the Sikh community, have fled Pakistan's Swat Valley while the government troops are engaged in a battle with the Taliban fighters after a February peace pact to end violence in the valley collapsed.

Indian Sikhs say the government in Pakistan was doing little to protect the lives of Sikhs.

Reportedly, Taliban outfits demolished at least 11 houses belonging to the Sikh community in the Orakzai Agency of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) in Pakistan after they refused to pay "Jazia".

"Jazia", a religious tax was imposed on Sikhs for their protection that prevailed during the era of Mughal reign. (ANI)
 

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Originally posted by: tvarad
There are only a handful of Sikhs and Hindus living in Pakistan and yet, even these few have not been left in peace. Can you imagine what would happen if India, or Britain or the U.S. imposed a special tax on Muslims just for being Muslims?

Anti-Taliban protests rock Delhi, Uttar Pradesh

Sun, May 10 04:55 PM

New Delhi/Agra, May 10 (ANI): Scores of irate protesters took to streets here on Sunday against the attacks on Sikh community by Taliban in Pakistan's Swat Valley.

Brandishing swords and chanting slogans against Taliban and Pakistan, the protesters also burnt Pakistan flags. They demanded an end to harassment of the Sikh community by Taliban.

"The harassment on the Hindus and Sikhs living inside Pakistan by Taliban should be stopped. If Pakistan does take any steps in curbing these atrocities then all the countries should come together and take action against the Pakistan Government," said Pummy, a protester.

Meanwhile, a group of protesters burnt effigy and staged a demonstration in Agra demanding protection of Sikhs from Taliban fighters.

Thousands of people, including many from the Sikh community, have fled Pakistan's Swat Valley while the government troops are engaged in a battle with the Taliban fighters after a February peace pact to end violence in the valley collapsed.

Indian Sikhs say the government in Pakistan was doing little to protect the lives of Sikhs.

Reportedly, Taliban outfits demolished at least 11 houses belonging to the Sikh community in the Orakzai Agency of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) in Pakistan after they refused to pay "Jazia".

"Jazia", a religious tax was imposed on Sikhs for their protection that prevailed during the era of Mughal reign. (ANI)

Tvarad: I read somewhere that Abdul Gaffar Khan better known as Frontier Gandhi wanted the North West Frontier Province to join the Indian Union and was very disappointed with both Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru for not helping him do that..
 

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Originally posted by: crisscross
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Tvarad: I read somewhere that Abdul Gaffar Khan better known as Frontier Gandhi wanted the North West Frontier Province to join the Indian Union and was very disappointed with both Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru for not helping him do that..

He was against the concept of Pakistan for reasons that seem prescient now because he understood that it was a feudal idea at it's core layered with real and imagined Muslim fears and grievances. But once that became a foregone conclusion he wanted it to be united with the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan.

But from what I have read, there was never an idea in the then Indian leaders' mind of NWFP joining Indian Union if partition happened because no Indian leader thought that two parts of a country separated by another country could possibly work. But that didn't stop Jinnah from putting such a hare-brained idea into practice.
 

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Originally posted by: tvarad
Originally posted by: crisscross
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Tvarad: I read somewhere that Abdul Gaffar Khan better known as Frontier Gandhi wanted the North West Frontier Province to join the Indian Union and was very disappointed with both Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru for not helping him do that..

He was against the concept of Pakistan for reasons that seem prescient now because he understood that it was a feudal idea at it's core layered with real and imagined Muslim fears and grievances. But once that became a foregone conclusion he wanted it to be united with the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan.

But from what I have read, there was never an idea in the then Indian leaders' mind of NWFP joining Indian Union if partition happened because no Indian leader thought that two parts of a country separated by another country could possibly work. But that didn't stop Jinnah from putting such a hare-brained idea into practice.

Yet Pakistan is a thorn for muslim haters like yourself.
 

tvarad

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: tvarad
Originally posted by: crisscross
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Tvarad: I read somewhere that Abdul Gaffar Khan better known as Frontier Gandhi wanted the North West Frontier Province to join the Indian Union and was very disappointed with both Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru for not helping him do that..

He was against the concept of Pakistan for reasons that seem prescient now because he understood that it was a feudal idea at it's core layered with real and imagined Muslim fears and grievances. But once that became a foregone conclusion he wanted it to be united with the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan.

But from what I have read, there was never an idea in the then Indian leaders' mind of NWFP joining Indian Union if partition happened because no Indian leader thought that two parts of a country separated by another country could possibly work. But that didn't stop Jinnah from putting such a hare-brained idea into practice.

Yet Pakistan is a thorn for muslim haters like yourself.

I don't think I can hate muslims any more than fellow-muslims in Pakistan. How else can one explain jets, helicopters and tanks being once again set upon the very people that the Pakistani army wretches claim to be protecting against "muslim" haters like me?

Pics of the Swat exodus
 

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: tvarad
Originally posted by: crisscross
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Tvarad: I read somewhere that Abdul Gaffar Khan better known as Frontier Gandhi wanted the North West Frontier Province to join the Indian Union and was very disappointed with both Mahatma Gandhi and Nehru for not helping him do that..

He was against the concept of Pakistan for reasons that seem prescient now because he understood that it was a feudal idea at it's core layered with real and imagined Muslim fears and grievances. But once that became a foregone conclusion he wanted it to be united with the Pashtun areas of Afghanistan.

But from what I have read, there was never an idea in the then Indian leaders' mind of NWFP joining Indian Union if partition happened because no Indian leader thought that two parts of a country separated by another country could possibly work. But that didn't stop Jinnah from putting such a hare-brained idea into practice.

Yet Pakistan is a thorn for muslim haters like yourself.

Yup. Pakistan is a shining light for muslims everywhere :disgust:
 

Lemon law

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Where does this fruitless debate about the existence of the Pakistani state come from? The modern Pakistani and Indian states were basically born together
as a result of Gandhi finally forcing the British out of regional control.

India would not have fallen so easily to British domination if the Brits were not so adept at harnessing religious hatreds to divide and conquer. Not only is India still ringed in by Muslims states to the East and West, India has plenty of internal religious differences. And here we are, 300 damn years later, and India and Pakistan still have religious hot buttons to push with other bad actors pushing those buttons, and India and Pakistan still have not learned to simply say NO TO THAT DIVISIVE CRAPOLA.
 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this fruitless debate about the existence of the Pakistani state come from? The modern Pakistani and Indian states were basically born together
as a result of Gandhi finally forcing the British out of regional control.

India would not have fallen so easily to British domination if the Brits were not so adept at harnessing religious hatreds to divide and conquer. Not only is India still ringed in by Muslims states to the East and West, India has plenty of internal religious differences. And here we are, 300 damn years later, and India and Pakistan still have religious hot buttons to push with other bad actors pushing those buttons, and India and Pakistan still have not learned to simply say NO TO THAT DIVISIVE CRAPOLA.

For the last time don't equate India and Pak. Do you even fucking know that Muslims are given money to go on a pilgrimage to Haj? plus they are given special air fares, Muslims have special laws in India when it comes to divorce they are allowed to follow the muslim law board. Indians from other parts of the country are not allowed to own land in Kashmir to ensure that nobody displaces the locals.

And you are equating us with a failed state like Pakistan?
 

tvarad

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this fruitless debate about the existence of the Pakistani state come from? The modern Pakistani and Indian states were basically born together
as a result of Gandhi finally forcing the British out of regional control.

India would not have fallen so easily to British domination if the Brits were not so adept at harnessing religious hatreds to divide and conquer. Not only is India still ringed in by Muslims states to the East and West, India has plenty of internal religious differences. And here we are, 300 damn years later, and India and Pakistan still have religious hot buttons to push with other bad actors pushing those buttons, and India and Pakistan still have not learned to simply say NO TO THAT DIVISIVE CRAPOLA.

Blaming the British for the region's problems is like blaming the bartender for the drunkard's habit. And were it not for the British, there might not have been an India, let alone Pakistan given that both were a conglomeration of feudal states stuck together by them for administrative purposes and which, in many ways, is still the glue holding them together. Read up your history rather than make such meaningless feel-good-about-yourself-by-crapping-on-others statements.

And it's not whether a country has internal problems, religious or otherwise. It's how those problems crop up and how they are handled. You might want to ask why two countries which were cut from the same cloth have ended up so different. Those who forget history, as they say, are doomed to repeat it.

The army's actions in Swat has very little bearing on India because the Pakistani military, as Obama himself said, is yet to get over it's obsession over painting India as it's enemy #1. Until that is reversed, all of us getting together and singing Kumbaya around the campfire will have to wait a little longer.
 

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Let me ask you tvarad, if the USA succeeds in totally destabilizing Pakistan, do you really think India will not be the lucky country?

Be very careful about what you wish for! You might just get it.
 

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Originally posted by: crisscross
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Now Tvarad is playing the Indian apologist, with his Muslims are like the Jews theory, they exists to be hated. And its not crazed mobs of Hindu's that drag people off trains and butcher them, its because them uppity Muslims were acting superior again.

Face the facts, India is no better or no worse than other countries with major racial or religious tensions, human nature is the same the world around, and the intolerant first victim is always the truth.

BS. India has the best record of any developing nation when it comes to treating it's religious minorities.

ROFL. Hindus treat their lower caste "untouchables" almost as bad, if not worse than Arabs treat Pakistanis and Indians altogether in Dubai or Saudi Arabia. The average dog and cat in the US probably gets better nutrition than half the population in India.
 

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Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Originally posted by: crisscross
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Now Tvarad is playing the Indian apologist, with his Muslims are like the Jews theory, they exists to be hated. And its not crazed mobs of Hindu's that drag people off trains and butcher them, its because them uppity Muslims were acting superior again.

Face the facts, India is no better or no worse than other countries with major racial or religious tensions, human nature is the same the world around, and the intolerant first victim is always the truth.

BS. India has the best record of any developing nation when it comes to treating it's religious minorities.

ROFL. Hindus treat their lower caste "untouchables" almost as bad, if not worse than Arabs treat Pakistanis and Indians altogether in Dubai or Saudi Arabia. The average dog and cat in the US probably gets better nutrition than half the population in India.

If you are right, then you have kind of proved my point the issue is not religion but caste and poverty.
 

tvarad

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Originally posted by: ranmaniac
Originally posted by: crisscross
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Now Tvarad is playing the Indian apologist, with his Muslims are like the Jews theory, they exists to be hated. And its not crazed mobs of Hindu's that drag people off trains and butcher them, its because them uppity Muslims were acting superior again.

Face the facts, India is no better or no worse than other countries with major racial or religious tensions, human nature is the same the world around, and the intolerant first victim is always the truth.

BS. India has the best record of any developing nation when it comes to treating it's religious minorities.

ROFL. Hindus treat their lower caste "untouchables" almost as bad, if not worse than Arabs treat Pakistanis and Indians altogether in Dubai or Saudi Arabia. The average dog and cat in the US probably gets better nutrition than half the population in India.

And yet a person of the untouchable caste, Mayawati, may very well be the next Prime Minister of India. And if the criminal Pakistani army had not thrust war upon war on the sub-continent, the saved resources could have gone towards alleviation of social evils. This is why I hate hypocritical Pakistanis like you.

And better to have less nourishment than wonder whether you will have your life or not as it's happening now in Pakistan, don't you think?
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: crisscross
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Where does this fruitless debate about the existence of the Pakistani state come from? The modern Pakistani and Indian states were basically born together
as a result of Gandhi finally forcing the British out of regional control.

India would not have fallen so easily to British domination if the Brits were not so adept at harnessing religious hatreds to divide and conquer. Not only is India still ringed in by Muslims states to the East and West, India has plenty of internal religious differences. And here we are, 300 damn years later, and India and Pakistan still have religious hot buttons to push with other bad actors pushing those buttons, and India and Pakistan still have not learned to simply say NO TO THAT DIVISIVE CRAPOLA.

For the last time don't equate India and Pak. Do you even fucking know that Muslims are given money to go on a pilgrimage to Haj? plus they are given special air fares, Muslims have special laws in India when it comes to divorce they are allowed to follow the muslim law board. Indians from other parts of the country are not allowed to own land in Kashmir to ensure that nobody displaces the locals.

And you are equating us with a failed state like Pakistan?

HAHAHAHAH!!! Muslims are treated like shit in India. My family members can't get a flat at most places because they are muslims. What about the Gujurat massacre where government officials ADMIT to murdering muslims!!! India is not much better than Pakistan. It's just that the western media turns a blind eye to India because their war is with the Taliban; not with the Maoists.