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dighn

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Originally posted by: blurredvision


It's all these questions that make me not believe. Everything in religion is so hypocritical with what we've been taught growing up. If there is a god and he is all-knowing, then show your self already. Until then, I'll continue living my life.

that's my attitude as well :) but i do look at some parts of religions as a positive force because it teaches some good values though whether the good outweights the bad i dunno.

even though i don't rule otu the possibility of a god/gods, i think most of the existing religions out there are far from the truth
 

jamerdean

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: bpctech
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Syringer
Having a good Thursday?
Having a great day OFF.

;)

:D

X-mas may be religious, but it sure aint "christian". :p



actually you have that backwards. Christmas is a christian holiday, but it is hardly religious because it is such a commercial holiday that is celebrated by christians and non-christians.
NOT christian. Never celebrated by christians until 400 years after Jesus and then it was a thinly disguised version of the Saturnalia (and the oldest pagan celebrations of the Winter Solstice).

Go do a search. History and the bible comfirm this.

He is correct. According to biblical scholars and early historians, the birth of Christ was in the summer, not the winter.

jam
 

jamerdean

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Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: dighn
Originally posted by: blurredvision
Originally posted by: dighn

there are ways to prove non-existence. it's just more difficult and may not always be possible.
Not to completely say you are false, but do you have any examples? Certaintly, due to the nature of christianity, it would be impossible to disprove. Oddly, everything in religion is based on a supernatural plane of existence. This alone makes it impossible to prove or disprove anything, seeing as to how we aren't supposed to reach this "next level" of existence till we are no longer in contact with the living world as we know it.

no examples regarding spirituality but one way to prove non-existence is to demonstrate that the existence of something would violate something that is known to be true. but of course the non-existence of a god wouldn't be easy if it at all can be proven. but just because there isn't a known way to prove the non-existence of supernatural beings doesn't mean there isn't one.

personally i'm more leaning towards that there is no god. but i will not entirely rule out the other possibility without proof. usually i don't care though. it's just for principle.
Well explained. But I am one to think that if I have no proof something exists, then it doesn't.

Call me simple minded, but if this god people worshipped was actually great and loving, I don't understand 90% of the bullsh!t that goes on in this world today. Ya, he/she/it loves his/her/it's people so much, yet he doesn't care to protect them. Oh ya, that's right, it's the devil. But god is more powerful than the devil, right? Why doesn't he just get rid of the devil? Why does he cut through all the bullsh!t of living and take everyone on to heaven? Why doesn't he prove his existence to all those who do not believe in him? Wouldn't that make it easier? Oh ya, we're waiting for the trumpets to sound out. But the world is worse today than it ever was, right? Maybe we only know this now because of the ease of traveling information in the digital age. Why are there thousands of different religions in the world? Why do they all differ if there is only one god? Why do all these religions cause conflict? Why is religion the number 1 cause for war, where hundereds of thousands of people have died and suffered? I thought god loved all these people? Oh ya, he works in mysterious ways. Mysterious enough to make these people's life living hell. When a little girl is kidnapped, why do the parents pray for god to watch over her and take care of her, yet they never chastise god for letting her get taken in the first place?

It's all these questions that make me not believe. Everything in religion is so hypocritical with what we've been taught growing up. If there is a god and he is all-knowing, then show your self already. Until then, I'll continue living my life.


It's Called Free Will, Anything Else would be a form of slavery! It would be a type of forced love. Forced love is never a good thing. It is meaningless.
 

lowfatbaconboy

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It's Called Free Will, Anything Else would be a form of slavery! It would be a type of forced love. Forced love is never a good thing. It is meaningless.

though counter argument: god is omnipotent and thus could do anything .....even things that are impossible/improbable/illogical

thus he could make people love him and still have free will .....impossible/improbable but he could do it if he existed and if he were omnipotent
 

jhu

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hi everybody

It's Called Free Will, Anything Else would be a form of slavery! It would be a type of forced love. Forced love is never a good thing. It is meaningless.



free will is a very elaborate illusion
 

lowfatbaconboy

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Originally posted by: jhu
hi everybody

It's Called Free Will, Anything Else would be a form of slavery! It would be a type of forced love. Forced love is never a good thing. It is meaningless.



free will is a very elaborate illusion

i agree that is a very large possibility .....after arguing about it in philosophy class
determinism, compatibilism, libertarianism (the philosophical ideas on free will not the political party)

its hard to come up with a definite on this issue other than we are either all causes of other causes, or we have free will and can't really explain it in any good acceptable way......(or free will is an illusion)

Forced love is never a good thing. It is meaningless.
you could say the love of a child for a parent is a type of forced love.....