The AT World of Warcraft Thread (Where do you play) and general BS

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: AntiFreze

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis
we always tossed it to one of the tanks who was DPSing the nagas, we always had more then 1 tank

Sounds unnecessarily risky to me, but to each their own. Of all the raid encounters, Vashj is one where the phrase "there is more than one way to skin a cat" really applies. The differences here and there should be chosen based on each guild's set of strengths and weaknesses.


Also, take these three tips back to your guild Antifreeze:

1. Assign one of the healers that is in the center to make healing the strider kiters a priority. One of them getting killed is the hardest scenario to recover from IMO unless the strider dies very quickly afterwards giving your druids time to BR the kiter. That assigned healer will need to run around the circle while ensuring that they do not get too close to the strider's kiting path. This will be a tough job because they also need maintain adequate healing on everyone else in center too. Since they will be running a lot, I recommend using a resto druid for this job since they mostly use instant cast heals. It is also a wise idea to place raid icons on the kiters as well as adding them to the tank list in ORA2 or whatever mod your guild uses.

2. Assign some strider dps members. Killing striders involves the ranged DPS in each quadrant switching to the striders when they are in range, but a lot of dps should come from some ranged being assigned to the middle to strictly kill striders. Even one ranged will help and a shadow priest is often picked for this assignment. Lots of guilds have trouble killing striders fast enough so it is important to understand how that will work. Tell those ranged DPS members to use their DoTs a lot.

The kill priority for all ranged DPS from most important to least important is the following:

Tainted Elementals -> Striders -> Enchanted Elementals

3. For phase 3, a great way to make that part trivial is to assign one or two hunters to be around the top west stairs (about where you enter Vashj's lair) and strictly DPS the spore bats for about 60-90 seconds and then switching to Vashj.

wow... havent watched a video of this yet, but sounds intense.

i do/did the kiting for us, im a lock, ele shaman works also, need to be an aff lock with Curse of Exhaustion or have massive pro net useage

on my video im pretty positive we missed 1 if not 2 tainted eles, just gotta not panic

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: invidia
We completely skipped Vashj and plan to come back to her later after we clear some of the BT and MH bosses a couple times. So far we have Rage, Anetheron, Azalgor down in MH and Naj, Supremus, Shade down in BT. After we get a good number of ppl in T5/6 gear, we'll give Vashj another shot. Vashj and Kael are those fights that are insanely hard to learn and adapt too.

I've had many people who are 3/6 in Sunwell still putting Vashj and Kael up on top as the most difficult bosses in the game.

Kaz'rogal?

I'd rank Vashj as being the hardest. Too many people spread too thin puts a lot of stress on individual performance; there isn't room to carry people through. Kael'thas on the other hand you can have a few people suck and carry them through it, as most of the fight is about raw dps and as such you can sub in your sickest dps to double or triple the output of your lowest dps.

Kael seems overwhelming at first, but it's much more repeatable and farmable than Vashj once you have it down like clockwork.

I agree. Kael is harder than a lot of bosses, but he is not on the same level as Vashj. This is why I consider Hand of A'dal to be the only title that really means something when it comes to PvE.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: exdeath


Since there is only room for 6 healers due to the dps requirements of the fight, who you chose for those healers can make or break the kill.

pretty sure we always ran with 7

 

[exdeath]

We are going back for Kael in the next week or two. With everyone doing heroic magisters terrace at some point, phase 4 where we left off prior to the patch will be second nature as it's identical, save for using the weapons and the mind controls.

We passed 20k sustained raid DPS on our first Kaz'rogal kill with 3 tanks and 8 healers, and we do Kael with 6 healers. Our fury warrior last night peaked 2400 dps on shade of akama.

Whats a shock barrier? *grin*

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: abaez

Originally posted by: invidia
We completely skipped Vashj and plan to come back to her later after we clear some of the BT and MH bosses a couple times. So far we have Rage, Anetheron, Azalgor down in MH and Naj, Supremus, Shade down in BT. After we get a good number of ppl in T5/6 gear, we'll give Vashj another shot. Vashj and Kael are those fights that are insanely hard to learn and adapt too.

I've had many people who are 3/6 in Sunwell still putting Vashj and Kael up on top as the most difficult bosses in the game.

Vashj is one of the best fights in the game. You'll be missing out on a great encounter if you skip it.

+1

Vashj is the breaking point that determines your position in the game (ie: if you suck or not). If you can down Vashj, you are pretty much guaranteed to be able to handle any other encounter in the game.

If anything it lets you know who gets in every raid and who gets on standby every raid. Vashj is a test of the individual and a suck check, basically.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: exdeath


Since there is only room for 6 healers due to the dps requirements of the fight, who you chose for those healers can make or break the kill.

pretty sure we always ran with 7

We did too.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434
It's the most intense encounter I have experienced so far. I have not fought a boss that puts as much weight on each member of the raid as Vashj does during P2. There are so many things that can go wrong and everyone has multiple tasks and priorities to attend to. Most of the tasks have a very strict time window to complete them in as well. Keep in mind that I have yet to fight Archimonde, Souls, or Illidan yet so perhaps Vashj will be bumped out of her #1 position soon.

Have fun! 😀

illidan is the only one that comes close IMO

archi is easy if you realize that fire = bad
souls jst requires tanks/enrage soaks to know their rotation and good raid DPS


illidan is pretty intense but less people have to really be paying attention, mainily the tanks during phase 2 and 3/4

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Anubis
fire = bad

:laugh:

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: invidia
We completely skipped Vashj and plan to come back to her later after we clear some of the BT and MH bosses a couple times. So far we have Rage, Anetheron, Azalgor down in MH and Naj, Supremus, Shade down in BT. After we get a good number of ppl in T5/6 gear, we'll give Vashj another shot. Vashj and Kael are those fights that are insanely hard to learn and adapt too.

I've had many people who are 3/6 in Sunwell still putting Vashj and Kael up on top as the most difficult bosses in the game.

Kaz'rogal?

I'd rank Vashj as being the hardest. Too many people spread too thin puts a lot of stress on individual performance; there isn't room to carry people through. Kael'thas on the other hand you can have a few people suck and carry them through it, as most of the fight is about raw dps and as such you can sub in your sickest dps to double or triple the output of your lowest dps.

Kael seems overwhelming at first, but it's much more repeatable and farmable than Vashj once you have it down like clockwork.

I agree. Kael is harder than a lot of bosses, but he is not on the same level as Vashj. This is why I consider Hand of A'dal to be the only title that really means something when it comes to PvE.

I iz cannot be 733t by clicking cubes? /sigh

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Anubis
fire = bad

:laugh:

LOL it so true, the first time we killed him we actually lost 3 people 3 FUCKING PALYS WHO HAVE BUBBLE

when asked why the didnt bubble they said " it was down"

which means they ran into the fire more then once

/facepalm

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Anubis
fire = bad

:laugh:

LOL it so true, the first time we killed him we actually lost 3 people 3 FUCKING PALYS WHO HAVE BUBBLE

when asked why the didnt bubble they said " it was down"

which means they ran into the fire more then once

/facepalm

Sigh...I already know which people this kind of thing will happen to first. Speaking of which, do you recommend taking him on after Gorefiend or Bloodboil as far as the average raid progression goes?

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Anubis
fire = bad

:laugh:

LOL it so true, the first time we killed him we actually lost 3 people 3 FUCKING PALYS WHO HAVE BUBBLE

when asked why the didnt bubble they said " it was down"

which means they ran into the fire more then once

/facepalm

Thats ok... we wiped twice on supremus last night because people kept dying to volcanoes...

/gun2face

"oh but it spawned right on top of me"

I got cornered by three at once... it merely involved strafe jumping away and hitting health pot, health stone, and divine favor/holy shock myself mid air. My bubble was down because I had to run through supremus and some fire because I ended up on the opposite side of supremus from the tanks on the previous 2->1 transition and I wasn't taking any chances and stopped every few yards under his feet to cast. Usually I burn my bubble when I'm not in any danger so I CAN put myself in danger for a moment on purpose to continue healing.

You'd think that it instantly hit you for 8k the second it spawned the way people QQ about them. I'm tunnel visioned on grid also, and it's not that hard to spot a huge green consecrate before it fully spawns and GTFO.

Note to self: do not bring enhancement shamans to Kaz'rogal anymore.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Anubis
fire = bad

:laugh:

LOL it so true, the first time we killed him we actually lost 3 people 3 FUCKING PALYS WHO HAVE BUBBLE

when asked why the didnt bubble they said " it was down"

which means they ran into the fire more then once

/facepalm

Sigh...I already know which people this kind of thing will happen to first. Speaking of which, do you recommend taking him on after Gorefiend or Bloodboil as far as the average raid progression goes?

yes take them dieing in fire does not mean you sill suck at the mini game, also there really isnt much to fuck up on bloodboil

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Thats ok... we wiped twice on supremus last night because people kept dying to volcanoes...

/gun2face

"oh but it spawned right on top of me"

I got cornered by three at once... it merely involved strafe jumping away and hitting health pot, health stone, and divine favor/holy shock myself mid air. My bubble was down because I had to run through supremus and some fire because I ended up on the opposite side of supremus from the tanks on the previous 2->1 transition and I wasn't taking any chances and stopped every few yards under his feet to cast. Usually I burn my bubble when I'm not in any danger so I CAN put myself in danger for a moment on purpose to continue healing.

You'd think that it instantly hit you for 8k the second it spawned the way people QQ about them. I'm tunnel visioned on grid also, and it's not that hard to spot a huge green consecrate before it fully spawns and GTFO.

Note to self: do not bring enhancement shamans to Kaz'rogal anymore.

The only reason anyone dies on Supremus during the kiting phase is because they are being impatient. They try too hard to dps him instead of surviving. There should barely ever be a time where you are not constantly running. Rely on your instant casts and DoTs is good enough. It's a long fight but the enrage timer is more than sufficient.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Xavier434

Originally posted by: exdeath

Thats ok... we wiped twice on supremus last night because people kept dying to volcanoes...

/gun2face

"oh but it spawned right on top of me"

I got cornered by three at once... it merely involved strafe jumping away and hitting health pot, health stone, and divine favor/holy shock myself mid air. My bubble was down because I had to run through supremus and some fire because I ended up on the opposite side of supremus from the tanks on the previous 2->1 transition and I wasn't taking any chances and stopped every few yards under his feet to cast. Usually I burn my bubble when I'm not in any danger so I CAN put myself in danger for a moment on purpose to continue healing.

You'd think that it instantly hit you for 8k the second it spawned the way people QQ about them. I'm tunnel visioned on grid also, and it's not that hard to spot a huge green consecrate before it fully spawns and GTFO.

Note to self: do not bring enhancement shamans to Kaz'rogal anymore.

The only reason anyone dies on Supremus during the kiting phase is because they are being impatient. They try too hard to dps him instead of surviving. There should barely ever be a time where you are not constantly running. Rely on your instant casts and DoTs is good enough. It's a long fight but the enrage timer is more than sufficient.

pfft we go balls out during the "kite" phase to see if we can kill him in lower then 3 transitions

theres no agro 😀

 

[Xavier434]

I'm probably just saying that because we have only had two nights where we fought him so far. We won both times. I imagine we will end up taking much bigger chances soon enough.

 

[exdeath]

Heh after the second wipe I went off on vent to just forget about dps on phase two and just point your camera into the ground and run.

Next pull we had a 25/25 kill with 2 battle ress'ed -_-;

People taking damage... no... taking so much damage that they actually DIE... from stationary environmental sources... is one of my BIGGEST pet peeves in raid leading.

I mean what the hell are you doing, trying to get a close up for a screen shot? MOVE!

To add insult to injury, also being a healer who gets his heals interrupted by a dead target at 99% cast ... grrr

 

[JAH]

I have really weird issue with the game currently. I'm using 8800GT with a Dell 24 inch monitor - vsync on, so my fps is always capped at 60fps @ 1920x1200, but on my Rogue, my frame rate would drop from 60 to 43 every four seconds , and it doesn't matter where I am. I could just be looking down on the ground and the fps would drop every four seconds. When this occurred, the game "stutter" or froze momentary thus rendering my Rogue unplayable since Rogue do a lot of moving around, but if the stutter happens while moving, I could be facing the wrong direction afterward.

The weird thing is, this doesn't occurred on my Warrior or other alts. They all ran smoothly at 60fps everywhere. I suspect that it's one of the add-ons that is causing this, but I for sure thought I enabled all of them on all character. I'll have to double check after work.

On the bright side, I finally got epic flying mount and exalted with SSO on my warrior.

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Anubis

pfft we go balls out during the "kite" phase to see if we can kill him in lower then 3 transitions

theres no agro 😀

Lemme heal for you and bubble when hes gazing at me and we'll see about his aggro 😉

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: JAH
I have really weird issue with the game currently. I'm using 8800GT with a Dell 24 inch monitor - vsync on, so my fps is always capped at 60fps @ 1920x1200, but on my Rogue, my frame rate would drop from 60 to 43 every four seconds , and it doesn't matter where I am. I could just be looking down on the ground and the fps would drop every four seconds. When this occurred, the game "stutter" or froze momentary thus rendering my Rogue unplayable since Rogue do a lot of moving around, but if the stutter happens while moving, I could be facing the wrong direction afterward.

The weird thing is, this doesn't occurred on my Warrior or other alts. They all ran smoothly at 60fps everywhere. I suspect that it's one of the add-ons that is causing this, but I for sure thought I enabled all of them on all character. I'll have to double check after work.

On the bright side, I finally got epic flying mount and exalted with SSO on my warrior.

Delete (or temporarily remove for testing purposes) the oh so adequately named WTF folder and see what it does.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: JAH
I have really weird issue with the game currently. I'm using 8800GT with a Dell 24 inch monitor - vsync on, so my fps is always capped at 60fps @ 1920x1200, but on my Rogue, my frame rate would drop from 60 to 43 every four seconds , and it doesn't matter where I am. I could just be looking down on the ground and the fps would drop every four seconds. When this occurred, the game "stutter" or froze momentary thus rendering my Rogue unplayable since Rogue do a lot of moving around, but if the stutter happens while moving, I could be facing the wrong direction afterward.

The weird thing is, this doesn't occurred on my Warrior or other alts. They all ran smoothly at 60fps everywhere. I suspect that it's one of the add-ons that is causing this, but I for sure thought I enabled all of them on all character. I'll have to double check after work.

On the bright side, I finally got epic flying mount and exalted with SSO on my warrior.

That happens on my mage sometimes while I'm at Quel'Danis. I'll be playing my Shaman and Mage at the same time and it's happening to my mage but my shaman is fine 😱.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: JAH
I have really weird issue with the game currently. I'm using 8800GT with a Dell 24 inch monitor - vsync on, so my fps is always capped at 60fps @ 1920x1200, but on my Rogue, my frame rate would drop from 60 to 43 every four seconds , and it doesn't matter where I am. I could just be looking down on the ground and the fps would drop every four seconds. When this occurred, the game "stutter" or froze momentary thus rendering my Rogue unplayable since Rogue do a lot of moving around, but if the stutter happens while moving, I could be facing the wrong direction afterward.

The weird thing is, this doesn't occurred on my Warrior or other alts. They all ran smoothly at 60fps everywhere. I suspect that it's one of the add-ons that is causing this, but I for sure thought I enabled all of them on all character. I'll have to double check after work.

On the bright side, I finally got epic flying mount and exalted with SSO on my warrior.

dissable VSync

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: exdeath
Heh after the second wipe I went off on vent to just forget about dps on phase two and just point your camera into the ground and run.

Next pull we had a 25/25 kill with 2 battle ress'ed -_-;

People taking damage... no... taking so much damage that they actually DIE... from stationary environmental sources... is one of my BIGGEST pet peeves in raid leading.

I mean what the hell are you doing, trying to get a close up for a screen shot? MOVE!

To add insult to injury, also being a healer who gets his heals interrupted by a dead target at 99% cast ... grrr

Well, I can say that if I am standing still and the volcano appears almost directly on me then I just barely have enough time to escape alive. My reaction time needs to be really fast or else I will die for sure. It's to the point that I am switching to travel form just to ensure survival. Mages can blink but I feel bad for some of the other classes with low hp like priests. Then there are the cases where it appears behind you just at the right distance and angle where you can't see it but it is still very close and the UI doesn't react fast enough to indicate that you need to move.

So ya, it happens. I wouldn't let it bother you and I most certainly wouldn't go off in vent over it. There are a couple people in my guild that go nuts in vent like that over stupid shit and the only result is that it demoralizes people and they just end up playing worse. It's very counter productive.

 

[QuantumPion]

I don't think Illidan is all that intense, it's pretty straight forward.

The only boss so far (excluding SP) that is consistently fun is RoS, imo.

 

[abaez]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: JAH
I have really weird issue with the game currently. I'm using 8800GT with a Dell 24 inch monitor - vsync on, so my fps is always capped at 60fps @ 1920x1200, but on my Rogue, my frame rate would drop from 60 to 43 every four seconds , and it doesn't matter where I am. I could just be looking down on the ground and the fps would drop every four seconds. When this occurred, the game "stutter" or froze momentary thus rendering my Rogue unplayable since Rogue do a lot of moving around, but if the stutter happens while moving, I could be facing the wrong direction afterward.

The weird thing is, this doesn't occurred on my Warrior or other alts. They all ran smoothly at 60fps everywhere. I suspect that it's one of the add-ons that is causing this, but I for sure thought I enabled all of them on all character. I'll have to double check after work.

On the bright side, I finally got epic flying mount and exalted with SSO on my warrior.

That happens on my mage sometimes while I'm at Quel'Danis. I'll be playing my Shaman and Mage at the same time and it's happening to my mage but my shaman is fine 😱.

I believe this is something with the patch. Lots of people on EJ have said they get this since patch, and I have even noticed it with a pretty beefy machine.

It's most glaring when Felmyst does his deep breath.. first time he did that like 5 people dc'd because it was so graphic intensive. My machine can handle it, but it does drop down to like 40fps (keep in mind there are also about a dozen skeletons as well as all the AOE going on).