The Assassination of JFK

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Loyalist

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HERE . Also from the FAQ section:
Has your recreation been independently examined by forensic animation experts?

Yes. ABC News hired independent experts from Z-Axis Corporation, one of the nation's leading forensic animation companies, to assess my work and submit a report. Established in 1983, Z-Axis Corporation had been involved in the business of producing computer generated animations of events, processes and concepts for major litigations in the United States and Europe. They participated in most of major air crash litigations in the U.S. over the past 15 years including the crash of Delta Flight 191 in Dallas, the crash of USAir 427 in Pittsburgh, the crash of American 965 in Cali, Colombia and the crash of Korean Air 801 in Guam. They also performed work for the prosecution in the Oklahoma City bombing trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols.

On October 9, 2003, Z-Axis Corporation CEO and co-founder Alan Treibitz and Senior Producer Gary Freed met with me at my studio near Detroit, Michigan. Over a six hour period, I answered questions and shared all of the materials and methods that went into the making of the assassination recreation. Treibitz and Freed reported that I did "an excellent job" of matching the Zapruder film which allowed the assassination sequence to be viewed "from any point of view with absolute geometric integrity." Regarding the use of error cones to describe potential inaccuracies in establishing the single bullet trajectory, Treibitz and Freed reported that "Mr. Myers' techniques for establishing this cone were well thought out and accurately created." Treibitz and Freed concluded, "Mr. Myers has taken a comprehensive and reasoned approach to animating this event and has successfully incorporated many diverse visual records into a unified and consistent recreation. We believe that the thoroughness and detail incorporated into his work is well beyond that required to present a fair and accurate depiction."

[Click HERE to read the complete Z-Axis report.]

[SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1]Your single bullet trajectory seems to pass through the center of JFK's tie, even though the tie only had a slit-like notch on one side. Doesn't this invalidate your trajectory?[/SIZE]

No. The diameter of the red line representing the single bullet trajectory path was sized for the ABC News special in order to be visible in the various views selected for broadcast. In some cases, the line was considerably larger than the diameter of the ammunition fired from Oswald's rifle and appeared to encompass more of the knot of the tie than would have actually occurred. The varying size of the trajectory line was, of course, illustrative in nature and has no bearing on the issue of the validity of the single bullet theory as some conspiracy theorists have postulated. In fact, none of the clothing, as illustrated in the computer recreation has any bearing on the validity of the single bullet theory, since no attempt was made to match the clothing exactly nor was the trajectory path based on the location of defects in the clothing of either President Kennedy or Governor Connally. The trajectory path was based solely on the locations of the wounds as deduced by the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978.[/SIZE]
You ignored my questions. Please address them now. Was Kennedy not positioned higher than Connally? Was Connally not sitting in further (to the left) than Kennedy? Did Kennedy and Connally not react at the same time?
 
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I didn't answer your questions because I'd prefer to show you by generating video and images with the animation data to compare with the film and photo evidence. But I'm not finding the data on the site you linked or anywhere else. Can you provide a direct link to the actual data, or is it not freely available despite your claims to the contrary?
 

LunarRay

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Ummm...what? Energy? I thought that you conspiracists claimed that the head wound shot came from the front right. Am I mistaken?

IF you have as you stated and asked how then the answer is as I provided, I think. That seems obvious!

I am simple and prefer to analyze based on applied vs theoretical research... IOW, if they found an elephant in the front seat and on the trunk I'd first look to see if they got the animal right then I'd try to determine if they were both really found and at the same time and if so I'd conclude there were two elephants.

Is it so hard to accept JFK head bits found were they were tend to point to two separate energy sources? Or do you not agree with the cops, the video, the testimony of others indicating what they saw and testified to?
And if you don't then which testimony do you accept and which do you reject?
 

LunarRay

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Craig is not my buddy and I don't give a shit about what some conspiracy nut thinks about an event that happened 50 years ago. I haven't educated myself on this topic because I don't care, so I'm not going to speak about it. I was merely pointing out that you can't understand a simple analogy. No one is dodging you, they're ignoring you because you're fucking nuts. Sane people don't argue or debate with crazies.

I presume you have all the requisite qualifications necessary to facilitate an understanding as to the general notion of what sane people do and more specifically what criteria qualifies one to be termed 'nuts'?

Do all folks who question an official pronouncement on any subject qualify to be 'nuts' or is it just those subjects that enable the sane to proclaim superior standing and the subordinated class to be 'nuts'?
 

LunarRay

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Who cares who killed JFK? He died like a million (50) years ago.


We dont even know where O'Bammh's birth certificate is????

You'd prefer to let a capital crime with no statute of limitations simply fade away? Should we place a prosecution limitation on all crimes or just the ones Government may be complicit in or just some of them?
 

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I wonder what information or even simply data is secreted away until the future defined date and beyond? How can there be any secrets regarding this event? Perhaps whoever had the authority to do this wanted to insure that all players were dead and further more wanted to insure that it would be so aged that even if the evidence PROVED a conspiracy the population would care less... as usual..
 

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You did not. Now address them damn it. You can start by pointing out where the temporal lobe is located.

Lulz, loyalist getting fiesty! Out of curiousity, what makes you angriest? So many doctors stating there was a large wound in the back part of the head? The intentional destruction of the damaged windshield? Or the "magic bullet" walking up to take a shower so that no blood, no tissue, and no cloth could be found on it, and then walking back to place itself on a random stretcher ? ;)

I did address the words "Side", "lateral" and "temporal", and never denied those words were used by the doctors. Again, the doctors clearly mentioned those words along with the word "back" to describe the large wound they saw. Their hand motions also settle on the BACK part of the head, with the exception of Jenkins who indicates multiple areas, including the back you are trying so hard to deny :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr_abl2N6nE#t=2m54s

No matter how hard you try to spin it, the overwhelming majority of medical personnel in dallas have drawn and stated on record that there was a large wound in the back of the head contradicting the autopsy photos :)



Hmmm...why don't we ask them?
In 1988 Public Broadcasting's NOVA talked to four of the Parkland doctors and allowed them to examine the autopsy photos and x-rays in the National Archives in Washington. Marion "Pepper" Jenkins , one of the witnesses who said he saw cerebellum, explained:
[FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif][SIZE=-1]I did say cerebellum in my first official report. And the cerebellum ordinarily is in a posterior part. And here I know very well that the wound was more anterior than that, but there was a portion of the brain that looked like it had a stalk, and is convoluted to look like what I thought was cerebellum. [/SIZE][/FONT]
Jenkins' colleague Paul Peters also viewed the materials in the Archives, and told NOVA:
[FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif][SIZE=-1]I said that I thought perhaps part of the cerebellum was missing, and that shows how even a trained observer can make an error in moment of urgency. [/SIZE][/FONT]​


If a few of the doctors retracted their cerebellum statements given under oath many years later, then so be it. Many other doctors are still on record having seen it, but let's pretend for a second that the cerebellum never really popped out of his skull. Why would all of these doctors state they saw the cerebellum if JFK's head wounds are where you claim them to be? The cerebellum is located in the back part of the head, no where near the official location for the wounds :) Could it be that the doctors logically reasoned that they saw cerebellum because they did in fact see a large wound in the back portion of the head, which is closer to the cerebellum than where the official story placed the wounds? oh snap.



Mantik is a lying little puke. He starts off with a misleading statement. He states that none of the 19 doctors who saw Kennedy at Parkland recognize the condition that the autopsy photo shows of his head. Well of course they didn't recognize it, because they never saw the back of Kennedy's head. Or at least not much of it anyway. Certainly not the view that the autopsy shows.

The doctors could not, and did not, get a good view of the back of Kennedy's head without lifting it up off of the gurney. That's a fact.

You can just barely make out where the occipital region starts in the photo. However, the right temporal region can be seen in it's entirety. I look forward to you highlighting it for me.

Wrong, the doctors did see a portion of the back of JFK's head, enough so that the overwhelming majority of medical personnel in dallas corrobate each other with drawings and statements about a large wound in the portion that was at the very least, "partially" visible. The jpeg I posted clearly demonstrates the area you question is partially visible as well.

occipito-parietalview.jpg




However, the right temporal region can be seen in it's entirety. I look forward to you highlighting it for me.

The right temporal region can be seen in its entirety? Yeah, no kidding sherlock... too bad the majority of dallas doctors have stated the large wound was located elsewhere. :)


Clearly, your view of what constitutes being a man is a willingness to lie. That's just sick. I won't do it. The red line does not go through the Knot. It goes just above the knot.

Uh huh...this coming from the "man" who believes in a magic bullet that is able to clean itself of all blood and guts and not take any real damage after destroying multiple bones :) Full blown denial mode. re: the line, nobody will defend that retarded view lol.


What the doctors noticed was that Kennedy was in a mess. He had a massive head wound. It was a bloody mess. They did not do a forensic analysis of his head wound. That wasn't their job. The forensic analysis was to be left for pathologists. Three professional pathologists did an autopsy and then signed off on it. That autopsy, as well as the photos and x-rays, show conclusively that Kennedy did not have a large gaping hole in the back of his head. Unlike the doctors at Parkland, they were not "in a moment of urgency". They could take the time to do a thorough forensic analysis .

Oh yeah, he had a massive head wound alright, and again, the overwhelming majority of dallas doctors / nurses who saw kennedy are contradicting the autopsy photos and whatever the pathologists signed off on :) No possibilty of jfk's corpse being stolen and his wounds altered, zero, none (oh wait, there are a few on record noticing a change in coffins) ;) But hey, since your version is nice and dandy in your eyes, and there's nothing to hide, you should have no problem having all the jfk files unsealed immediately for a true public examination, correct? well, get to it! start lobbying to have those files unsealed!
wait, why were they sealed for tens of decades to begin with? hahaha.




Actually, the people who cling to the official story just absurdly claim the condition of the bullet is imperfect enough to account for all those wounds, being somewhat flatted along the horizontal, and despite the fact that nobody managed to recover any flesh or cloth from it.

Nice photos of the magic bullet. No way in hell this bullet struck multiple bones ... hardly a trace of any damage. Hey loyalist, how does a magic bullet that struck multiple bones wind up with no blood, tissue, or cloth on it? I like my explanation the most: it didn't really enjoy being stuck in the governor's body, so it crawled out, took a shower, wiped off all the blood and guts with its magical hands, then crawled back to a random stretcher so it could look its best and be clean for the display case.​
 

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Craig is not my buddy and I don't give a shit about what some conspiracy nut thinks about an event that happened 50 years ago. I haven't educated myself on this topic because I don't care, so I'm not going to speak about it. I was merely pointing out that you can't understand a simple analogy. No one is dodging you, they're ignoring you because you're fucking nuts. Sane people don't argue or debate with crazies.

Ah, the good ol' dodging like a pussy by giving the "i don't care" excuse. of course, this comes after the "conspiracy nut" insult. obviously the only thing you care about is preserving the official story. dodge away!

btw, craig's comparison was a shitty anology. swelling of oj's hand to the intentional destruction of evidence after a president's assassination and overwhelming contradictions to the official autopsy? like i said. shitty analogy and it makes no sense.

dodge more, jd50. dodge more.
 

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I wonder what information or even simply data is secreted away until the future defined date and beyond? How can there be any secrets regarding this event? Perhaps whoever had the authority to do this wanted to insure that all players were dead and further more wanted to insure that it would be so aged that even if the evidence PROVED a conspiracy the population would care less... as usual..

obviously it is "case closed" and there's nothing to hide, that's why they're hiding it.

wait wut?
 

al981

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We know the windshield was damaged and intentionally destroyed shortly afterwards ..

What about the metal frame? a large dent / hole can be seen, and supposedly fbi agents claim the damage might've occurred in another city while the limo was being repaired.

supposedly, the following photo was taken at kelly AFB on nov 21st, 1963, and no hole /dent is visible on the metal frame. any of you seen this before? are there other photos similar to this taken before the assassination?

jfkframeintact.jpg


hole damage seen on the 22nd:

jfkframechromehole2.jpg

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Ah, the good ol' dodging like a pussy by giving the "i don't care" excuse. of course, this comes after the "conspiracy nut" insult. obviously the only thing you care about is preserving the official story. dodge away!

btw, craig's comparison was a shitty anology. swelling of oj's hand to the intentional destruction of evidence after a president's assassination and overwhelming contradictions to the official autopsy? like i said. shitty analogy and it makes no sense.

dodge more, jd50. dodge more.

lol
 

Loyalist

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I didn't answer your questions because

Stop! I'm not interested in your "because". As long as you can't even bring yourself to answer three simple questions, I can't rightly expect further discussion to be productive.

Was Kennedy not positioned higher than Connally?

Was Connally not sitting in further (to the left) than Kennedy?

Did Kennedy and Connally not appear to react at the same time?

The third one is not that important right now, but I insist that you answer the first two before we can proceed any further.
 

Loyalist

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IF you have as you stated and asked how then the answer is as I provided, I think. That seems obvious!

I am simple and prefer to analyze based on applied vs theoretical research... IOW, if they found an elephant in the front seat and on the trunk I'd first look to see if they got the animal right then I'd try to determine if they were both really found and at the same time and if so I'd conclude there were two elephants.

Is it so hard to accept JFK head bits found were they were tend to point to two separate energy sources? Or do you not agree with the cops, the video, the testimony of others indicating what they saw and testified to?
And if you don't then which testimony do you accept and which do you reject?

You believe that Kennedy's received head shots came from the back and the front? Your argument is one that I'm unfamiliar with. I'd be interested is seeing the logistics of it.
 
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[SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1]Weren't you originally a conspiracy theorist?[/SIZE][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1] Yes. I became interested in the Kennedy assassination in 1975 while working at a radio station in northern Michigan. After studying numerous books and periodicals on the subject, I began searching out original documents and photographs from the National Archives, Texas State Archives, and other institutions nationwide. By the early 1980's I had secured thousands of documents through the Freedom of Information and Privacy Act from the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I eventually conducted a series of interviews with key figures in the assassination story, with a particular emphasis on eyewitnesses and law enforcement officers connected with the murder of Dallas police officer J.D. Tippit. I later turned some of those interviews into a 1983 radio documentary which was honored by the Associated Press. Throughout a ten year career in radio, I was an outspoken conspiracy theorist, lecturing at local universities and community colleges and appearing on local radio talk-shows.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1] In 1985, I left radio and began working as a writer/producer at CBS/FOX Video. That fall, I authored The Detroit News' 25th anniversary coverage of the JFK slaying. In 1989, I began freelancing as a computer animator. Four years later, I served as an on-camera expert and technical consultant for the critically acclaimed 1993 BBC/Frontline documentary, Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? That same year, I began working on two concurrent projects: a computer recreation of the JFK assassination and a book on the murder of J.D. Tippit. My extensive work in both areas changed my mind about the case, convincing me that Oswald acted alone.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1] I have made numerous trips to Dallas, Texas over the last twenty years and continue to visit the region and conduct ongoing research.[/SIZE]

 

kylebisme

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As long as you can't even bring yourself to answer three simple questions...
Again, I would be more than happy to answer your questions in detail by generating video and images from the animation data you claimed is freely available. You were lying about that though, weren't you?

I have to wonder about your username, what are you loyal to exactly anyway? I'm a Truth, Justice, and the American Way guy myself, while it seems you consider the first two antithetical to the third, eh?
 

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Again, I would be more than happy to answer your questions in detail by generating video and images from the animation data you claimed is freely available. You were lying about that though, weren't you?

I wasn't lying about anything. All of the data about the single bullet theory that Myers needed to construct the animation is freely available. He references a great deal of it in the pages that I linked to. He relied a great deal on the Zapruder film but also used the 1978 HSCA investigation, the Assassination Records Review Board, as well as the 1963 autopsy report. In addition:

  • A survey map of Dealey Plaza, prepared by Drommer & Associates for the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978, was used to plot the layout of the plaza in three-space.
  • Blueprints of the Texas School Book Depository, prepared by Burson, Hendricks & Walls for the Dallas County Depository restoration project in 1978, were the basis for the 3D model of the infamous warehouse.
  • The original body draft of the modified 1961 Lincoln convertible, prepared by The Hess & Eisenhardt Company, served as a guide in modeling the presidential limousine.
However, what you are asking for (which I didn't grasp at first) is something that you know that I can't provide , and something that is almost certainly beyond both your and my level of understanding. That being the science of computer animation. Also, something that is totally unnecessary for this discussion.

I haven't asked you to answer my questions in detail. Simple yes' or nos would have sufficed as starting points. Until I get those, it is pointless to continue this discussion.
 

kylebisme

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However, what you are asking for (which I didn't grasp at first) is something that you know that I can't provide , and something that is almost certainly beyond both your and my level of understanding.
You're deluding yourself by projecting your ignorance onto me, and until the animation data is made freely available for peer-review, it's nothing more than a vacant appeal to authority.
 

LunarRay

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You believe that Kennedy's received head shots came from the back and the front? Your argument is one that I'm unfamiliar with. I'd be interested is seeing the logistics of it.

Well...., Yes! I accept that IF what is stated is truth regarding the physics as it applies to the location of the various bits of evidence coming from JFK's head that two missiles seem to be involved. I will go a bit further and indicate that the initial movement (as I see it) of JFK's head appears to be forward... then in the next instant is a rapid movement against the axis of the initial movement.. to the rear and to the left... that movement follows a missile coming on a line from a sewer to the front right of the vehicle... Consistent with this is the (assuming the dictabelt recording IS of the event) sound from two shots almost at the same time.

This entire event of some 20 seconds has some very interesting and verifiable angles if one looks at them. As I said earlier, there is a time and place and consistent with the video of both Kennedy and Connally being hit at the same time... (not by # 399) but this only can occur when the vehicle and the bodies are lined up and orientated to the 3rd floor of the DalTex bldg. Both the vertical and horizontal angles are in sync with both being hit. Look at it.. it is a direct line and the Oswald location is not possible at any time notwithstanding Specter's single bullet theory...

Some how one must try to account for the time between two shots... it can't be done, not and hit anything.

I don't know when I started to doubt the Warren Commission's findings... but think it was after reading a few books that seemed to have viable and conflicting testimony to the Official Findings. I was pretty familiar with info suppression based on National Security before that and figured Johnson issued such a finding.. otherwise too many people conspiring to cover up stuff... an After the Fact crime...

Anyhow, over the years I've kinda become just like many others and went to sleep... until the 9/11 events... The plane don't fit in the dam hole at the pentagon... how can that be? So JFK is simply for me the first such event I lived with... RFK, MLK, Tonkin, etc... etc...
 

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Anyhow, over the years I've kinda become just like many others and went to sleep... until the 9/11 events... The plane don't fit in the dam hole at the pentagon... how can that be? So JFK is simply for me the first such event I lived with... RFK, MLK, Tonkin, etc... etc...

Do you really think that the plane not fitting in the hole claim is something that the engineers have missed or decided not to say anything about? That Americans designed the explosion at the Pentagon and just did something mysterious to get rid of the plan and its passengers and no one has talked? Come on.That's pretty ridiculous even as a false flag operation.

Anyway, on the others:

RFK looks like the victim of lone assassin Sirhan Sirhan. Again the main mystery are his associations, which are bizarre if not sinister, before the assassination.

MLK was somewhat suspicious, but I've never seen anything conclusive.

It is good to note there were a lot of conspiracies, including the FBI plotting to kill MLK and actually killing a black panther leader (actually, getting the police to do it).

Gulf of Tonkin was clearly an excuse for a war decision designed to lie that we were going to war in response to their firing the first shot.

We'd been doing things like training terrorists and putting them in North Vietnam for sabotage and assassination for a long time.

Indeed, the information I've seen is that that's exactly what out destroyers were doing in the Gulf of Tonkin when one was shot at - in North Vietnamese waters, not international as we claimed, and of the two attacks the second one was not real. I've heard the recording of a senior naval official getting confirmation from a lower officer, who was very unsure it had happened, but it seems LBJ was told it had anyway.
 

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Do you really think that the plane not fitting in the hole claim is something that the engineers have missed or decided not to say anything about? That Americans designed the explosion at the Pentagon and just did something mysterious to get rid of the plan and its passengers and no one has talked? Come on.That's pretty ridiculous even as a false flag operation.

Anyway, on the others:

RFK looks like the victim of lone assassin Sirhan Sirhan. Again the main mystery are his associations, which are bizarre if not sinister, before the assassination.

MLK was somewhat suspicious, but I've never seen anything conclusive.

It is good to note there were a lot of conspiracies, including the FBI plotting to kill MLK and actually killing a black panther leader (actually, getting the police to do it).

Gulf of Tonkin was clearly an excuse for a war decision designed to lie that we were going to war in response to their firing the first shot.

We'd been doing things like training terrorists and putting them in North Vietnam for sabotage and assassination for a long time.

Indeed, the information I've seen is that that's exactly what out destroyers were doing in the Gulf of Tonkin when one was shot at - in North Vietnamese waters, not international as we claimed, and of the two attacks the second one was not real. I've heard the recording of a senior naval official getting confirmation from a lower officer, who was very unsure it had happened, but it seems LBJ was told it had anyway.

Oh boy!!! An opportunity that I'll refrain from getting off topic other than to sorta address the basics...

I've seen the pictures of the hole after the 'roof' collapse and before. But, as in the NYC event I simply see what I see. I don't need anyone to explain what I see. What I do see does not make sense to me. It is as simple as that.

There are some things that don't make sense to me in the RFK event too. Simple things like missing door frames, general testimony of the folks there, RFK's head wound that entered the back of the head (don't mean a shooter from behind but an observation), Gun shot residue in the wound in such amounts that the gun had to be within 18 inches, specific testimony that Sirhan could not have been that close, the number of wounds suffered by the folks, missing door panels that may depict bullet holes or missiles and etc.

MLK was - to me - committed by the guy who was charged until I looked at the angle of where it was said the shot(s) came from... I like angles and stuff like that.

Gulf of Tonkin has been addressed by a main player... So has Operation Mongoose and North-something or another. Imagine that... setting up a black ops that might actually harm US Citizens... impossible! Not here in the USofA...
It is not an impossible task for radar operators to determine a reasonably good location of the goings on in that event.
Maddox on August 2nd was pretty much in a naval battle and involved some F8s and another Destroyer, the Turner Joy, came to assist. The August 4th battle is doubted by many including the crew of Turner Joy so I've been told. (Turner Joy was with Maddox on the second event and aided on the first if I recall right)
Danial Ellsberg was on duty in the Pentagon during the event...


Kennedy came to Staten Island, NYC during his campaign. He spoke at the Ferry depot there and I listened to him until I was pushed out of the way by his people (staff probably) and cuz of that I never did care for him. I was only ... what... 15 at the time so couldn't vote and when I could (law was 21 then) I voted for Nixon. All cuz I was close to Kennedy and got pushed away...
Nasruden came riding into town seemingly riding backwards on a mule... the folks laughed and asked him why was he sitting backwards on the mule... Nasruden proclaimed that he was not backwards but that the mule was...
 

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Do you really think that the plane not fitting in the hole claim is something that the engineers have missed or decided not to say anything about?
No engineer or otherwise could ever rightly explain the destruction of the WTC buildings as a result of the impact damage and fire, but that doesn't stop many from believing the official story on that, which shows out utterly corrupt your line of reasoning is. That said, best I can tell, the damage to the Pentagon was solely the result of a jet.

As for RFK, see LunarRay's comments, and an interesting article on recent research into that here.

As for MLK, his family won a civil suit in 1999 which found his murder was the result of a conspiracy involving government agents, as noted here.

... North-something or another. Imagine that... setting up a black ops that might actually harm US Citizens...
That was the Operation Northwoods plan, which was shot down by JFK shortly before JFK was shot down.
 
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Actually, the people who cling to the official story just absurdly claim the condition of the bullet is imperfect enough to account for all those wounds, being somewhat flatted along the horizontal, and despite the fact that nobody managed to recover any flesh or cloth from it.

I was looking around for more info on the magic bullet...and it seems nobody wants to explain why there was no blood, tissue, or cloth found on it ;)

Not even loyalist's hero, McAdams, will mention it.
So, who is McAdams?
Turns out he's a liar / nutjob :)
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/mcadams.htm

so loyalist, any explanation for the fact that no blood / tissue / cloth was found on your prized magical bullet? :)

edit: in fact, what scientific methods were used to connect this particular bullet to the president and governor? since nobody pulled the bullet from the governor's body, and nobody saw the magic bullet pop out of the governor's body, how is it scientifically proven this was the so called "magic bullet"? :)

going by science and forensics, one can only conclude the bullet on display never touched the president or governor.
 
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