The Assassination of JFK

[xj0hnx]

Actually, the magic bullet is supposedly what caused the other seven wounds in Kennedy and Connolly other than Kennedy's head wound, and ridiculous to expect at least from the angle of Oswald's alleged location, or from the alleged bullet. But yeah, the suggestion that a shot from behind caused Kennedy's head to blast backwards is flatly absurd, and comparisons with wildly dissimilar objects sitting loose on platforms does nothing to change that.

Yes, I know, it was two different sentences, though I can see how it might be taken that I was referring to the magic bullet causing Kennedy's head movement.

I haven't kept up with it, the last time I heard the "magic" bullet theory, the bullet claimed to be the round was in perfect condition, have they come up with a new one, or is the claim that the perfect condition round is what caused all the wounds?

 

[Uthilos]

The Ruling Elite hated him because he wasn't a warmonger and genuinely cared about his constituents. JFK was the last real president, he was also critical of the FED.

 

[kylebisme]

I haven't kept up with it, the last time I heard the "magic" bullet theory, the bullet claimed to be the round was in perfect condition, have they come up with a new one, or is the claim that the perfect condition round is what caused all the wounds?

Actually, the people who cling to the official story just absurdly claim the condition of the bullet is imperfect enough to account for all those wounds, being somewhat flatted along the horizontal, and despite the fact that nobody managed to recover any flesh or cloth from it.

...he wasn't a warmonger and genuinely cared about his constituents.

The same goes for RFK, but he was murdered before he could be elected, and Mick Jagger told us who was behind both.

 

[Loyalist]

I did address them,

You did not. Now address them damn it. You can start by pointing out where the temporal lobe is located.

And say, why is it those doctors kept mentioning "cerebellum"?

Hmmm...why don't we ask them?

In 1988 Public Broadcasting's NOVA talked to four of the Parkland doctors and allowed them to examine the autopsy photos and x-rays in the National Archives in Washington. Marion "Pepper" Jenkins , one of the witnesses who said he saw cerebellum, explained:

[FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif][SIZE=-1]I did say cerebellum in my first official report. And the cerebellum ordinarily is in a posterior part. And here I know very well that the wound was more anterior than that, but there was a portion of the brain that looked like it had a stalk, and is convoluted to look like what I thought was cerebellum. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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Jenkins' colleague Paul Peters also viewed the materials in the Archives, and told NOVA:

[FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif][SIZE=-1]I said that I thought perhaps part of the cerebellum was missing, and that shows how even a trained observer can make an error in moment of urgency. [/SIZE][/FONT]
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If what he is saying about the photographs he examined in the national archives are incorrect, then it should be easy for others to refute him. Like I stated previously, I have not read much into it yet.

Mantik is a lying little puke. He starts off with a misleading statement. He states that none of the 19 doctors who saw Kennedy at Parkland recognize the condition that the autopsy photo shows of his head. Well of course they didn't recognize it, because they never saw the back of Kennedy's head. Or at least not much of it anyway. Certainly not the view that the autopsy shows.

We went over this already. McClelland had a "partial" view of the back of the head, and you responded with the following quote after I posted a jpeg clearly showing that a partial view of the back of the head still allowed the doctors to see the area you're questioning:

The doctors could not, and did not, get a good view of the back of Kennedy's head without lifting it up off of the gurney. That's a fact.

Funny, your only response to the jpeg was "LOL". You can't even admit the picture clearly shows the occipital region is at the very least, "partially" visible. Go ahead, let's see if you can man up and admit what is clearly visible to everyone else. Here it is one more time

You can just barely make out where the occipital region starts in the photo. However, the right temporal region can be seen in it's entirety. I look forward to you highlighting it for me.

Then again, you can't even man up and admit the "red line" in post 237 & 238 really is going through the knot of the tie hahahaha.

Clearly, your view of what constitutes being a man is a willingness to lie. That's just sick. I won't do it. The red line does not go through the Knot. It goes just above the knot.

Also, Kylebisme made a good point which you continue to dodge:

"They could only see part of the wound, because he was laying on his back and the wound was on the back right of his head. Again, if the wound were in either of the two locations the official story has claimed, they would've had an unobstructed view of it."

So, why didn't the overwhelming majority of these dallas medical personnel see the wound where the official story claims it was? They had an unobstructed view!

What the doctors noticed was that Kennedy was in a mess. He had a massive head wound. It was a bloody mess. They did not do a forensic analysis of his head wound. That wasn't their job. The forensic analysis was to be left for pathologists. Three professional pathologists did an autopsy and then signed off on it. That autopsy, as well as the photos and x-rays, show conclusively that Kennedy did not have a large gaping hole in the back of his head. Unlike the doctors at Parkland, they were not "in a moment of urgency". They could take the time to do a thorough forensic analysis . Which they did. Not only did the pathologists do the autopsy and sign off on it, they later testified under oath about it as well.:

[FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif][SIZE=-1]Q. Do you recall whether it was particularly easy to remove the brain? [/SIZE][/FONT]


[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]Boswell. I think it was a routine procedure. In Dallas, they had said that the cerebellum was the part of the brain that was injured and exuding. But they were wrong because the cerebellum is enclosed in a dural sort of compartment, and in order to get the cerebellum out, you have to cut the dura around, and then you—that's the only hard part about getting the brain out. And the manner in which we were doing it, both the cerebral hemispheres were already exposed without dura, and it was really very simple to take out. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]Q. During the course of the autopsy, did you have an opportunity to examine the cerebellum? [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]A. Yes. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]Q. And was there any damage to the cerebellum that you noticed during the time of the autopsy? [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]A. No. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]Q. So both the right and left hemisphere of the cerebellum were intact? [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]A. Yes. [/FONT][/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]Q. Was the tentorium damaged at all? [/FONT][/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1][FONT=sans-serif, helvetica, arial, ms sans serif]A. No. [/FONT][/SIZE]
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[Loyalist]

The Ruling Elite hated him because he wasn't a warmonger and genuinely cared about his constituents. JFK was the last real president, he was also critical of the FED.

Failures of the Presidents: JFK's Bay of Pigs Disaster

St John The Liberal?

 

[Loyalist]

Exactly what I thought when I saw it. The shot is fired from forward and above, transferring the energy out the back and down, this energy pushes the exploding lower rear shell down, which pushes the object forward. A head, sitting atop a spine is going to do exactly what Kennedy's head did when shot from the front, move back, and then come forward. The single "magic" bullet theory is so ridiculous it isn't even funny.

Please explain how all of the brain matter got all over the front of the limo and even on the hood.

 

[LunarRay]

Please explain how all of the brain matter got all over the front of the limo and even on the hood.

If you have brain matter on the hood and in the front along with on the trunk and hitting the motorcycle cops to the left rear it should be obvious how that happened. To me it seems some kind of energy put that brain stuff where it was found to be... some energy from the front and some from the back.

 

[Loyalist]

If you have brain matter on the hood and in the front along with on the trunk and hitting the motorcycle cops to the left rear it should be obvious how that happened. To me it seems some kind of energy put that brain stuff where it was found to be... some energy from the front and some from the back.

Ummm...what? Energy? I thought that you conspiracists claimed that the head wound shot came from the front right. Am I mistaken?

 

[kylebisme]

Ummm...what? Energy?

It's more complicated than seeing a line through the knot of a tie, so you can't be expected to understand.

 

[Loyalist]

It's more complicated than seeing a line through the knot of a tie, so you can't be expected to understand.

Oh, but of course. It's way beyond my mental capacity. Tell me something though. What is the importance of having the shot pass directly through the middle of the necktie knot? Is that supposed to somehow make the single bullet an impossibility? I realize that my intelligence is far below yours but maybe you could present it to me in a way that I could understand. With the use of crayons perhaps?

 

[kylebisme]

Can you admit that the animation you presented shows the shot going through the knot of the tie? Again, as long as you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge that fact, I can't rightly expect further discussion to be productive.

 

[Loyalist]

Can you admit that the animation you presented shows the shot going through the know of the tie? Again, as long as you can't even bring yourself to acknowledge that fact, I can't rightly expect further discussion to be productive.

Where in the knot does the shot pass through? Because I honestly cannot see it passing through. To say otherwise would be a lie. One cannot see it up close. However, it appears to pass just above it , perhaps touching the top of it. If you like, we could for the sake of argument say that it passes directly through the middle. Although, I don't know what difference it makes. Did the real Knot have a hole through the middle of it? I don't believe that it did. Of course, I could be wrong. If the tack your taking is that it doesn't match up with the real knot, then that is pretty weak on your part, since you cannot say that the animation gives a clear view of the shot passing through the middle of the knot.

 

[kylebisme]

Not only can I, but I have. Of course you can deny it all you like, but that's what the silly animation you posted shows.

 

[Loyalist]

Not only can I, but I have. Of course you can deny it all you like, but that's what the silly animation you posted shows.

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A necktie Knot. Notice the upside down triangular shape of it. Could you please trace the upside down triangular shape of the necktie knot in your jpeg for me?

Or you could outline it on this one if you prefer:

 

[Loyalist]

I found a closeup of the tie in another video. It's from the same animation but it's an expanded version. I'll post a jpeg of the closeup tonight. It doesn't show a line through it. Rather, it uses a cross-sight instead. The center of the cross-sight touches on the very-left side (Kennedy's) of the knot about midway from top to bottom. I'm not sure if the animator meant for that to be dead on accurate or not.

 

[Craig234]

Failures of the Presidents: JFK's Bay of Pigs Disaster

St John The Liberal?

What are you wanting to say here?

On the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy made the wrong choice, it can be argued. But let's look at it.

This was a plan the Eisenhower adminitration had created, which Nixon had desparately tried to get to happen before the election. Eisenhower was then the oldest President, very popular in the country, the man who had led the military in WWII. JFK was the youngest President, viewed by many as 'green', his military background as a lieutenant on a small boat in WWII. The times were the height of the cold war when Americans believed the USSR was passing the US up and freedom an democracy were threatened globally.

The US thought Cuba was the most important foreign policy problem at the time, and there was a whole issue about 'losing Cuba' that went back to 'Who lost China?' Losing China was one thing, losing a country to communism 90 miles from our shore and threatening the rest of the region was another.

The Bay of Pigs had the unanimous backing of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the CIA, among others.

Now, let's say JFK had cancelled it (put aside that a Cuban leader of the invasion said the Cubans had a secret plan with the CIA if that happened to fake a revolt against the CIA handlers, tie them up and lauch the invasion). The story would be, "we had the chance for the Cubans to liberate their own country, and the timid Kennedy cancelled it. The plan had the backing of top general and President Eisenhower, as well as all military leaders and intelligence leaders as a guaranteed success.

"It's Kennedy's fault for Castro still being in power, as this new kid President 3 months in office overriding all these top experts and cancelling the plan."

Isn't it clear that's how history would have recorded the choice?

The experts set out to push Kennedy to do the plan - not revealing that included assuming he'd send in the US when the invasion was losing, and he listened.

The good news is, he learned and changed how he handled foreign policy from this. The lessons did a lot of good on many issues, including the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Sometimes Presidents make the wrong choice. LBJ did with Vietnam.

The Bay of Pigs was the exception that was very different than other Kennedy policies.

 

[JD50]

that was a piss poor analogy, and has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

swelling of oj's hand relates to destruction of evidence, and the dallas doctors all contradicting the official autopsy photos? that makes zero sense.

here you go jd50, since you wanted to mouth off: on the official autopsy photos of jfk, point out the large wound that all these dallas doctors have drawn and testified to seeing:

http://www.paulseaton.com/jfk/boh/parkland_boh/parkland_wound.htm

go ahead. you claim to comprehend a "simple analogy". surely you can comprehend what the dallas doctors have drawn. point out where the large back of the head wound is located.

inc dodge?

edit: cmon, you can do it your buddy craig has been dodging it the entire thread! blankdodge dodged, he's gone from the thread. loyalist tried, but couldn't refute what the doctors have stated.

Craig is not my buddy and I don't give a shit about what some conspiracy nut thinks about an event that happened 50 years ago. I haven't educated myself on this topic because I don't care, so I'm not going to speak about it. I was merely pointing out that you can't understand a simple analogy. No one is dodging you, they're ignoring you because you're fucking nuts. Sane people don't argue or debate with crazies.

 

[kylebisme]

I'm not sure if the animator meant for that to be dead on accurate or not.

The animation was made to fit the magic bullet fantasy rather than the evidence, hence the reason it shows the neck wound too low, among plenty more abstractions from reality.

I haven't educated myself on this topic because I don't care, so I'm not going to speak about it. I was merely pointing out that you can't understand a simple analogy.

Rather, you can't understand how absurd Craig's attempts at analogy are, because you are arguing from a position of willful ignorance.

 

[Loyalist]

The animation was made to fit the magic bullet fantasy rather than the evidence, hence the reason it shows the neck wound too low, among plenty more abstractions from reality.

Does it show the neck wound too low? I don't believe that it does, but I'd be interested to see you try and demonstrate otherwise.

 

[Loyalist]

The Kennedy Assassination, Beyond Conspiracy

Too low??? Nope! Definitely not.

 

[Loyalist]

The animation is a pretty accurate depiction of what actually happened. You tinfoil hatters can't explain it away so you just try and discredit it by picking out some frivolous detail, like Kennedy's hair being out of place or some other foolish nitpicking.

 

[kylebisme]

Have you never worn a shirt and a tie? While I do my best to avoid it, I've done so far more than enough to know the hole in the autopsy photo is notably higher than the crosshair in the animation. Besides, the positioning of Connolly in the animation is absurd on its face too, though I just picked the neck wound to point out as that is easier to point out having only a video of the animation to work with. Regardless, the animation data would have to be made freely available for peer-review before it could be properly analysed, and until then pointing to video of it is just an exercise in handwaving, much like your inane "tinfoil hatters" quip, and pretty much everything else you've posted here.

 

[Loyalist]

Have you never worn a shirt and a tie? While I do my best to avoid it, I've done so far more than enough to know the hole in the autopsy photo is notably higher than the crosshair in the animation.

You're wrong of course. The hole and the crosshair matchup pretty much exactly. Not that I'm surprised that you won't admit it

Besides, the positioning of Connolly in the animation is absurd on its face too, though I just picked the neck wound to point out as that is easier to point out having only a video of the animation to work with. Regardless, the animation data would have to be made freely available for peer-review before it could be properly analysed, and until then pointing to video of it is just an exercise in handwaving, much like your inane "tinfoil hatters" quip, and pretty much everything else you've posted here.

Oh sure, just wave it off. How convenient for you. The fact is that the data is freely available. You just choose to refuse to acknowledge it. So, tell me, why do you refer to it as the magic bullet in the first place? Tell me why magic would have to be used to explain it? Was Kennedy not positioned higher than Connally? Was Connally not sitting in further (to the left) than Kennedy? Did Kennedy and Connally not react at the same time?

 

[kylebisme]

The fact is that the data is freely available.

Where?

 

[piasabird]

Who cares who killed JFK? He died like a million (50) years ago.


We dont even know where O'Bammh's birth certificate is????