The artic has warmed enough to break up methane clathrates

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dawp


no worship is involved. just stating if we don't take care of our home, there will be no home.

seems conservative christians seem to think it's their god given right to use up all the resources without a thought to the future.

Thats a nice sound byte your masters have fed you, but its far from reality. Please link Christian groups who feel its not necessary to conserve, protect, and not waste. Thanks.

http://practicalethics.net/blo...wildlife-conservation/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/...05%5C244qiuuc.asp?pg=1 <- conservatives defending themselves so dont feel the need to. I actually have to work today instead of what ever it is you do.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: dawp


no worship is involved. just stating if we don't take care of our home, there will be no home.

seems conservative christians seem to think it's their god given right to use up all the resources without a thought to the future.

Thats a nice sound byte your masters have fed you, but its far from reality. Please link Christian groups who feel its not necessary to conserve, protect, and not waste. Thanks.

http://practicalethics.net/blo...wildlife-conservation/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/...05%5C244qiuuc.asp?pg=1 <- conservatives defending themselves so dont feel the need to. I actually have to work today instead of what ever it is you do.

Thanks for the two blog posts about the Rapture. Now can you link where Christians say the environment doesnt matter? Like, from their sources? I could link a blog where someone somewhere thinks Obama is actually Hitler reincarnated. Doesnt make it true.

And Im actually modifying ACL's on a few DMZ routers to accommodate our new load balancers...wanna help?

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
And Im actually modifying ACL's on a few DMZ routers to accommodate our new load balancers...wanna help?

Nope sounds boring.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
How some of you can still be politicizing this is beyond me. It's like some people wake up in the morning and think of ways to be stupid throughout the day with your "Muhhhh, it's cold this summer" tripe. Are you seriously that fucking dense....

That's why I don't discuss this anymore. It's pointless. They put their fingers in their ears and yell "LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA"

Or they say "what have you done??!!!" Like if I buy local fruit that's going to fucking reverse global warming.

Btw, my brother does this and I can't stand it. He drives a 1986 van because he doesn't want to be responsable for the energy used to make a new one, he's alway telling me to plant gardens in my lawn, recapture my rainwater, get off the grid etc. etc. etc. There are good reasons to do all these things but they will have zero global impact unless the rest of the globe participates.

Someone who has ignored the scientific evidence, ignored the brilliant work of climateologists who have predicted the course of global climate change and most of it's effects for the last twenty years is not going to be convinced by any argument you can possibly make. Sorry. Most nordic countries have already accepted this, and they devote large portionts of their budgets to preparing for the effects of climate change.

Someday we will colonize Mars, then Venus. Then, Venutian kids will ask their parents why Earth is brighter than Mercury even though Mercury is closer to the sun...

 

[DesiPower]

I dont understand whats the big deal about the global warming... The planet is safe its not going anywhere. Global warming is just a part of the cycle.

Intelligent species evolve, some of them who want to control the civilization introduce a supreme power beyond anyone comprehension and preach to procreate exponentially in his name so that his influence (religion) grows. At the same time we advance in science. We over burden the earth with our population and technological advances adds fuel to the fire. Eventually the natural balance tips off and almost all living beings on the planet perish. Slowly over a period of millions of years the planet recovers and intelligent species are born...

Bottom line - don't worry about the planet, it will be OK

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: DesiPower
I dont understand whats the big deal about the global warming... The planet is safe its not going anywhere. Global warming is just a part of the cycle.

Intelligent species evolve, some of them who want to control the civilization introduce a supreme power beyond anyone comprehension and preach to procreate exponentially in his name so that his influence (religion) grows. At the same time we advance in science. We over burden the earth with our population and technological advances adds fuel to the fire. Eventually the natural balance tips off and almost all living beings on the planet perish. Slowly over a period of millions of years the planet recovers and intelligent species are born...

Bottom line - don't worry about the planet, it will be OK

actually the biomass of the planet is dwindling. At some point in the future it will be gone. But we have nothing to do with that, I think.

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yep, it's just crazy to think man can affect the climate.

Man caused the drought? Interesting...

Interesting indeed.

Again, man caused the drought?

Man didn't cause that drought. But man did kill the native grasses that had held the soil in place as well as breaking down the soil by over plowing thus allowing it to be blown away.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yep, it's just crazy to think man can affect the climate.

Man caused the drought? Interesting...

Interesting indeed.

Again, man caused the drought?

Man didn't cause that drought. But man did kill the native grasses that had held the soil in place as well as breaking down the soil by over plowing thus allowing it to be blown away.

I've not contested that. However, drought is due to climate - dust bowl is due to climate and man.

 

[StageLeft]

There are good reasons to do all these things but they will have zero global impact unless the rest of the globe participates.

You will never, ever seen consensus on this, so you need to decide at what point you will start making the hard choices perhaps all must make. Or you may realize that you sure hope man isn't responsible for breaking the planet because you have to understand if man is responsible for fixing it, it won't happen.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
People can impact it, but nobody knows how much. And those who claim otherwise are lying.

Ever read Bill Bryson's explanation of our impact on the global carbon dioxide cycle. It's worth checking out because, while he generally agrees with the critics here that people have a small effect on the cycle itself, his claim is that our small impact could fuck the whole thing up.

 

[Blackjack200]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

There are good reasons to do all these things but they will have zero global impact unless the rest of the globe participates.

You will never, ever seen consensus on this, so you need to decide at what point you will start making the hard choices perhaps all must make. Or you may realize that you sure hope man isn't responsible for breaking the planet because you have to understand if man is responsible for fixing it, it won't happen.

We don't need consensus, we need solutions at the macro level rather than the micro level. As long as there are traditional industries supporting 5.999999 billion other people in the world, you can install all the solar panels you want and it won't make a shit bit of difference.

Broad use of nuclear power is a good example of a macro solution. Adjusting prices to reflect environmental impact is another good example. But we will not have any kind progress with this kind of childish behavior on the right.

I actually find it fascinating that we're destroying our own environment, we're intelligent enough to recognize that it's happening, but we're unable to take the steps needed to change the situation.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yep, it's just crazy to think man can affect the climate.

Man caused the drought? Interesting...

Interesting indeed.

Again, man caused the drought?

Man didn't cause that drought. But man did kill the native grasses that had held the soil in place as well as breaking down the soil by over plowing thus allowing it to be blown away.

I've not contested that. However, drought is due to climate - dust bowl is due to climate and man.

Man caused what would have otherwise been a relatively short drought into the giant disaster it turned into. We created what was basically a self-sustaining drought machine.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Here we are in the "cool" cycle of the Sun(big bright hot orb in the day sky). A point in the Sun's cycle which in the 1800s would have left the Polar ice unbroken and with out a thaw for two or three summers in a row. Now why would I not suspect a Man made addition to the Earth's greenhouse effect?

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Here we are in the "cool" cycle of the Sun(big bright hot orb in the day sky). A point in the Sun's cycle which in the 1800s would have left the Polar ice unbroken and with out a thaw for two or three summers in a row. Now why would I not suspect a Man made addition to the Earth's greenhouse effect?

Maybe becauase there is more to GW than "just" the sun or man is the sole cause. Maybe there are a number of factors that depending upon how they interact will create changes in climate. And just maybe, just maybe, we don't know anywhere near enough to accurately model climate to tell us why climate changes based on changes to input.

So maybe don't you think, we should all just step back, take a deep breath, work towards more efficient power generation technologies and give up the religion of AGW?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yep, it's just crazy to think man can affect the climate.

Man caused the drought? Interesting...

Interesting indeed.

Again, man caused the drought?

Man didn't cause that drought. But man did kill the native grasses that had held the soil in place as well as breaking down the soil by over plowing thus allowing it to be blown away.

I've not contested that. However, drought is due to climate - dust bowl is due to climate and man.

Man caused what would have otherwise been a relatively short drought into the giant disaster it turned into. We created what was basically a self-sustaining drought machine.

lol, so you are admitting that we didn't change the climate then correct? The climate caused the drought. We did not extend the drought - just the damage from the drought.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
half the posters here believe in the rapture and don't care if we use up and destroy this place. a problem with one of the major religions for sure.

Actually The proof of the rapture is kinda twisted. Many shall be taken up but they are puriefied fire.

I don't see were religion has lead to the methan melt down . Nor man. Things are moving way to fast for this to be man made. Right now the Sun is in a Cold cycle . Soon it inters the 11 year hot cycle that methan going to cause hugh problems . There is a force causing this unknown . Something wicked this way comes.

But if the gas has started melting that is the end game for billions of humans . No doubts about it, I look for the big midwest earth quake followed by California . As casey described

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, so you are admitting that we didn't change the climate then correct?

you know whats funny about a guy like you? You come down on the green hippies for saying its one way when you are the exact same kind of "I'm so sure". We should all be open to the science as it develops.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yep, it's just crazy to think man can affect the climate.

Man caused the drought? Interesting...

Interesting indeed.

Again, man caused the drought?

Man didn't cause that drought. But man did kill the native grasses that had held the soil in place as well as breaking down the soil by over plowing thus allowing it to be blown away.

I've not contested that. However, drought is due to climate - dust bowl is due to climate and man.

Man caused what would have otherwise been a relatively short drought into the giant disaster it turned into. We created what was basically a self-sustaining drought machine.

lol, so you are admitting that we didn't change the climate then correct? The climate caused the drought. We did not extend the drought - just the damage from the drought.

No, we did extend the drought. Man directly caused the disaster. Can you not read?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
lol, so you are admitting that we didn't change the climate then correct?

you know whats funny about a guy like you? You come down on the green hippies for saying its one way when you are the exact same kind of "I'm so sure". We should all be open to the science as it develops.

lol, I am open to the science. You ASSume I am not because I fight against idiots who claim it's settled as "fact".

The issue I'm taking with all this is that most of the time the idiots try to blame man first without even looking at nature. In the case of the dust bowl - yes, we made the effects of drought worse, but we did not cause the drought. Someone PM'd me about river damning and the like - sure, you can "affect" nature and "climate" on a micro scale by damning rivers(obviously the temp in that immediate surrounding area will be cooler due to the increased volume of water) - but we aren't talking micro here with the whole "greenhouse gases" baloney.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yep, it's just crazy to think man can affect the climate.

Man caused the drought? Interesting...

Interesting indeed.

Again, man caused the drought?

Man didn't cause that drought. But man did kill the native grasses that had held the soil in place as well as breaking down the soil by over plowing thus allowing it to be blown away.

I've not contested that. However, drought is due to climate - dust bowl is due to climate and man.

Man caused what would have otherwise been a relatively short drought into the giant disaster it turned into. We created what was basically a self-sustaining drought machine.

lol, so you are admitting that we didn't change the climate then correct? The climate caused the drought. We did not extend the drought - just the damage from the drought.

No, we did extend the drought. Man directly caused the disaster. Can you not read?

No, we extended the damage of the drought because of our till practices at the time. Can you not process the logic? We didn't cause the drought - period - FACT.

 

[blackangst1]

Perhaps man was the cause of the last major ice age (the Cryogenian period) 700 million years ago too.

Maybe? Why not?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

lol, I am open to the science. You ASSume I am not because I fight against idiots who claim it's settled as "fact".

The issue I'm taking with all this is that most of the time the idiots try to blame man first without even looking at nature. In the case of the dust bowl - yes, we made the effects of drought worse, but we did not cause the drought. Someone PM'd me about river damning and the like - sure, you can "affect" nature and "climate" on a micro scale by damning rivers(obviously the temp in that immediate surrounding area will be cooler due to the increased volume of water) - but we aren't talking micro here with the whole "greenhouse gases" baloney.

It's clear that not only do you not believe in science but that you don't know the first thing about any.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: dainthomas

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yep, it's just crazy to think man can affect the climate.

Man caused the drought? Interesting...

Interesting indeed.

Again, man caused the drought?

Man didn't cause that drought. But man did kill the native grasses that had held the soil in place as well as breaking down the soil by over plowing thus allowing it to be blown away.

I've not contested that. However, drought is due to climate - dust bowl is due to climate and man.

Man caused what would have otherwise been a relatively short drought into the giant disaster it turned into. We created what was basically a self-sustaining drought machine.

lol, so you are admitting that we didn't change the climate then correct? The climate caused the drought. We did not extend the drought - just the damage from the drought.

No, we did extend the drought. Man directly caused the disaster. Can you not read?

No, we extended the damage of the drought because of our till practices at the time. Can you not process the logic? We didn't cause the drought - period - FACT.

We caused the Dust Bowl. The Dust Bowl ITSELF extended the drought. WE CAUSED AN EXTENDED DROUGHT. Is that dumbed down enough for you?

 

[Mardeth]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Perhaps man was the cause of the last major ice age (the Cryogenian period) 700 million years ago too.

Maybe? Why not?

Silly man. Humans didnt exist yet...


What annoys me the most about this subject is how much its just black and white shit. Those who oppose to the idea of global warming seem to think that the other side is saying that its only humans and no cycle at all and get their panties in a twist and vice-versa.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
We caused the Dust Bowl. The Dust Bowl ITSELF extended the drought. WE CAUSED AN EXTENDED DROUGHT. Is that dumbed down enough for you?

You'd be better off banging your head against the wall.

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