The artic has warmed enough to break up methane clathrates

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: glenn1
You're right - environmentalists should do all they can to hold up projects which may have an environmental impact here in the U.S. That'll make it far easier to make the business case to outsource manufacturing jobs to places where the people appreciate the jobs.

"Why does the (formerly) working class complain?"
Because they have no jobs, sir.
"Well, let them eat carbon credits!"

That is probably the single biggest issue.. How do we get everyone on board and who regulates it all? If one country continues to produce these gases is that an act of war against another coastal country? I don't think anyone has answers to these questions but it will be interesting to see how it all works out (or doesn't).

 

[LunarRay]

In my little town we recycle everything as a matter of law. We don't even let our run off watering get to the ocean. And, just as soon as electric only cars are with in my price range I'll get rid of my gas one....

Now.. what are they doing in China to help and what can we do to induce other nations to follow my little town's lead...

I wonder if our migrating magnetic pole and the reduction in the gizmos that it produces has any effect on the melting of the ice.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: glenn1
You're right - environmentalists should do all they can to hold up projects which may have an environmental impact here in the U.S. That'll make it far easier to make the business case to outsource manufacturing jobs to places where the people appreciate the jobs.

"Why does the (formerly) working class complain?"
Because they have no jobs, sir.
"Well, let them eat carbon credits!"

That is probably the single biggest issue.. How do we get everyone on board and who regulates it all? If one country continues to produce these gases is that an act of war against another coastal country? I don't think anyone has answers to these questions but it will be interesting to see how it all works out (or doesn't).

For sake of argument, let's say all countries were on board. Who here is willing to accept the negative impact to lifestyles that would be involved with a drastic reduction in carbon emissions? Who would be willing to tell the billions living in poverty that they should happily accept their lot and literally sacrifice their children in the cause of avoiding a (to them) theoretical disruption in future climate?

And for the environmentalists out there, please don't insult our intelligence by insisting that somehow a massive reduction in economic activity to achieve carbon emission targets will somehow create an economic windfall. Unless and until a technological breakthrough occurs that allows an economically competitive (without subsidies) non-fossil fuel, reducing our carbon output by definition would require lower economic production.

 

[ZeGermans]

Just FYI people like the conservatives here are the reason why the cradle of civilization is now a desert.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: glenn1
For sake of argument, let's say all countries were on board. Who here is willing to accept the negative impact to lifestyles that would be involved with a drastic reduction in carbon emissions? Who would be willing to tell the billions living in poverty that they should happily accept their lot and literally sacrifice their children in the cause of avoiding a (to them) theoretical disruption in future climate?

Well what we really want and need is energy. As long as we have enough energy we can do pretty much anything. So is there a source of clean unlimited energy? and would the powers that be even want us to have access to clean unlimited energy? our economy is built on scarcity and that would disappear in some respects. Do we want that?

 

[StageLeft]

If it's now officially too late, do youpromise to shutupaboutit?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: OCguy
What OP, you couldnt find another derogatory word for blacks to use in this thread?

His attack on Scalia was about as racist as attacking Hitler is bigoted against Austrians.

You're an idiot for your inability to distinguish attacks for actions and for bigotry.

Bigoted attacks look for some reason to attack in order to criticize and build hate against a race. His attack On Scalia was in no way an attempt to build hate against the black race.

And you are off-topic in your desparate and pathetic - but not racist - attack on him.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: OCguy
So what are you doing about it? Did you stop driving? Did you stop shipping/recieving mail? Do you grow your own food so you dont have to buy goods that were transported by internal combustion engines? Did you stop using plastics?

Or do you use the same amount of Fossil Fuels as the next guy, but bitch about "climate change", so that makes you better?

So, what are you trying to say? Heh.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

You better believe mother nature will "fix" things.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

You better believe mother nature will "fix" things.

So, there you go. Global warming/cooling problem solved.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

You better believe mother nature will "fix" things.

So, there you go. Global warming/cooling problem solved.

You may not like how Mother nature 'fixes' problems.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Were you live won't matter when there's little farmland left.

Farming the ocean for our food will require a little bit of a new learning curve, but overall should require a lot less financial and energy input. Might do away with a lot of health problems also.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

You better believe mother nature will "fix" things.

So, there you go. Global warming/cooling problem solved.

You may not like how Mother nature 'fixes' problems.

Mother nature is a Liberal?

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

You better believe mother nature will "fix" things.

So, there you go. Global warming/cooling problem solved.

You may not like how Mother nature 'fixes' problems.

Mother nature is a Liberal?

mother nature is indifferent. think of humanity as a virus and the earth as a the infected host.

 

[glenn1]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

You better believe mother nature will "fix" things.

So, there you go. Global warming/cooling problem solved.

You may not like how Mother nature 'fixes' problems.

Mother nature is a Liberal?

mother nature is indifferent. think of humanity as a virus and the earth as a the infected host.

If you believe that, then you should insist that we create more CO2 and other greenhouse gases as global warming will help eradicate the "virus" of humanity from earth.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

You better believe mother nature will "fix" things.

So, there you go. Global warming/cooling problem solved.

You may not like how Mother nature 'fixes' problems.

Mother nature is a Liberal?

mother nature is indifferent. think of humanity as a virus and the earth as a the infected host.

If you believe that, then you should insist that we create more CO2 and other greenhouse gases as global warming will help eradicate the "virus" of humanity from earth.

Eventually we will be extinct. Weather it will be sooner or later is in our hands. We can't go on blindly using resources and reproducing without consequences. there has never been a species as successful as us and if we don't think ahead, we will go the way of the dinosaurs.

And yes i really believe this. We are just part of a larger being known as the earth. and if we don't take care of it, we will be no more.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: dawp
mother nature is indifferent. think of humanity as a virus and the earth as a the infected host.

Thank you, Agent Smith.

The OP makes a flimsy claim. Nothing proves that man has caused these plumes.

From the article:

"Almost none of the Arctic has been surveyed in a way that might detect a gas release like this," Minshull says.

How do they know this process hasn't been ongoing for eons already? 30 years ago we didn't know about Black Smokers and various other sorts of hydrothermal vents either. Where is the research linking the warming of the West Spitsbergen current to AGW?

Look, I'm not a denier by any means. I readily admit the possibility that man is having an impact. But people that immediately jump to conclusions, just as the OP has, are no better than the deniers. This is a time for science, not snap decisions based on articles containing words like "possibly," "could", "may," or "if;" particularly where climate is concerned. The old saying, "You don't fuck with mother nature." works both ways.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: glenn1

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: dawp

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: 1LordEmperor1

Originally posted by: blackangst1
You lost me at "we've let".

Read up on earth temp cycles.

Shouldn't we be doing something about it either way?

Glad I live inland...

Why not let mother nature take care of any imbalance that may exist? She has Millions of years more experience than "we" do.

You better believe mother nature will "fix" things.

So, there you go. Global warming/cooling problem solved.

You may not like how Mother nature 'fixes' problems.

Mother nature is a Liberal?

mother nature is indifferent. think of humanity as a virus and the earth as a the infected host.

If you believe that, then you should insist that we create more CO2 and other greenhouse gases as global warming will help eradicate the "virus" of humanity from earth.

Eventually we will be extinct. Weather it will be sooner or later is in our hands. We can't go on blindly using resources and reproducing without consequences. there has never been a species as successful as us and if we don't think ahead, we will go the way of the dinosaurs.

And yes i really believe this. We are just part of a larger being known as the earth. and if we don't take care of it, we will be no more.

Man-made global quote expansion

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Man-made global quote expansion

please dont contribute

 

[Vic]

OMG we are all going to die!!!!!!!!!!! :Q


edit: damnit, Genx beat me to it by hours

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: ZeGermans
http://www.newscientist.com/ar...l?full=true&print=true

It's been predicted for years, and now it's happening. Deep in the Arctic Ocean, water warmed by climate change is forcing the release of methane from beneath the sea floor. Over 250 plumes of gas have been discovered bubbling up from the sea floor to the west of the Svalbard archipelago, which lies north of Norway. The bubbles are mostly methane, which is a greenhouse gas much more powerful than carbon dioxide. The methane is probably coming from reserves of methane hydrate beneath the sea bed. These hydrates, also known as clathrates, are water ice with methane molecules embedded in them. The methane plumes were discovered by an expedition aboard the research ship James Clark Ross, led by Tim Minshull of the National Oceanography Centre, Southampton, in the UK.

Basically, we've let the earth get warm enough to let methane trapped in the arctic for god knows how long get released, which could theoretically cause a positive feedback loop and fuck us. Well forget cap n trade then if it's already over!

"we" did? How arrogant to think man controls things such as this.

Visa-versa, arrogant too?

 

[piasabird]

Wonder why it is so cool this summer?

 

[miketheidiot]

i don't see why its such a stretch to believe that humans can cause global scale climate change, we certainly do it on a local level all the time.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
i don't see why its such a stretch to believe that humans can cause global scale climate change, we certainly do it on a local level all the time.

If that's true then I need to figure out what we did to cause record lows in the Nashville area in July. Could be the answer to all of our problems!