The Architect script:

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m2kewl

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i hope they show a surpising kick ass ending :D otherwise i'd be sincerely disappointed ;)

edit: less kung fu, bullet time, 360 degree motion - more storyline!
 

BatmanNate

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Perhaps the machines continue to allow Zion to exist because those 1% were not a threat as Zion itself is contained within a second layer of the Matrix. (explaining Neo's discovery of his power with the "real world" by disabling the sentinels) The 1% are kept at bay because they believe what they are in is the real world instead of another Matrix. (Thus their actions do not affect the stability of the program itself)

Neo makes a nebulous decision at the end in the eyes of the machine (or so we are led to believe) because he does not choose the virtue of saving humanity, but he forgoes that in favor of saving Trinity. But, if the Architect did not wish to endorse this decision, why did he show Neo that Trinity had entered to save him? He knew that the emotion would overpower logic and that decision would be reached.

Also, the machines do not need the humans to exist because of power requirements, they have a form of fusion and could survive without the humans, as is obvious enough due to the law of conservation of energy. There must be some ulterior motive for keeping humans around and for the Matrix itself. Perhaps the human mind power is needed to run the Matrix, but the purpose of the Matrix and programs designed to understand human psychology is still enigmatic at this point.

Of course this is all theoretical. I have heard it said that when neo entered door he chose, that he entered a diffferent variant of the Matrix which is the reason for him having powers in the "real world" however agent Smith's inhabited character was there too, just as in the original Zion world so it would be illogical for the machine to formulate that anomoly were it to put on an elaborate simulation of that variety for the purpose of perhaps containing Neo.

Thus far all of the charaters (the Oracle, Morpheus, etc) have served the Agenda of the Matrix as we know it. Perhaps one of our premises was awry from the get go. :beer:
 

notfred

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this part:
The function of the One is now
to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code
you carry reinserting the prime program, after which you will be
required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to
rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a
cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix.

Still makes no sense. And there's hardly an explanation for why Neo can kill the sentinels by sticking his hand up in the air.
 

greasypoo

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There are still some questions I have:

Is Zion the real world? Or is it a backup matrix that the machines created to control the 1% outside the matrix?

If Zion was the real world, then how is it that the machines can correlate the actions of the real world to that of the matrix? For example, during the highway scene, Morpheus is about to fall off the truck, but at that exact moment Niobe catches him. How did the machines know that she would be there at the exact time? She is not part of the matrix, therefore, her actions cannot be predicted. So if let's say the operator of the ship gave her the wrong directions of Morpheus' location, or was distracted for 5 sec. Then she would not have been there at that exact time when Morpheus fell, and he would have died.

In another example, how would the machines be able to send a Sentinal to kill the ship of the crew that was to take out the backup supply, therefore forcing Trinity to replace them? The Sentinal killed the crew in real life. How can the machines plan this out if they have no control in real life? (if the Sentinal was there ten minutes later, they would have succeeded in taking out the power supply and Trinity would not have to enter the matrix). Furthermore, this had to be planned out, because Neo had the dream that Trinity was going to be there (taking out the idea that the Matrix adjusts to mishaps).

Also, going back to the first matrix movie, Cipher is killed by Tank just before he was going to kill Neo. Coincidence?Obviously, the machines don't want Neo to die, since they want him to go back to the Source. So during the dinner with Cipher and Agent Smith, why didn't Smith just kill Cipher if he knew he was going to kill Neo? It would make sense if Zion was a backup matrix, and the machines did have control. Then Smith would know all along that Tank would kill Cipher, thus he doesn't have to worry about Neo dying.


If Zion was a backup matrix, then that would explain nearly all the coincidences and loopholes. Except for the part where Neo has to save 23 people and rebuild Zion.

This would explain why Neo can disable the Sentinals at the end.

 

CrazyDe1

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Originally posted by: theNEOone
trust me, the machines can live w/o the humans. (well, at least in the context of the movie :p)

here's an exerpt from teh conversation w/ the architect:

The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive.

The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

But if they could live without us then why even bother? Why don't they disconnect everyone from the Matrix and destroy all humans? WHy even bother telling Neo this? If they didn't need humans, you have to assume they would have destroyed us...
 

CrazyDe1

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Oh yeah, for what it's worth in the video game The Oracle says that Neo has separated his mind from his body and is half way between their world and ours...

I don't know what this means though....
 

ElFenix

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man... people here need their math skills updated...

100% - 99.9% = 0.1%

not

1%

and obviously since the explanation for the matrix violates the laws of thermodynamics it will be revealed that the matrix was created to keep humans alive after they did something bad to the planet
 

TheChort

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this one is a long shot, but...

What if there is a matrix in a matrix, in a matrix, in a matrix ...
Now we are at the 6th level, and zion has been destroyed all the times before. But the different thing that happens this time that hasnt happend before is when Neo saves trinities life, and that somehow ties in to the "real world" and he is able to stop the sentinals there. I dont know how this Neo will be stopping the cycle, but I think the sentinal thing is a beginning. I doubt the other neo's were able to have "the one" powers in their "real world"

told u it was a long shot
 

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The only question that needs to be answered is how Neo was able to stop the sentinels in the real world.