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moonbogg

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Sadly, that probably won't change after the mining stops.

And why would it? People apparently burst with excitement at the thought of paying $2000 for a gaming card. They fly off the ebay shelves no matter what the price is, so yeah. Crypto doesn't matter. Gamers will gladly support the current prices.
 

Shmee

Memory & Storage, Graphics Cards Mod Elite Member
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I think we need to do something about the Chinese govt. not sure what though.
 

Markfw

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Sadly, that probably won't change after the mining stops.
EVGA still has MSRP at $1200 for a bottom line 3080TI. Once mining collapses or changes to , what is it POW or whatever, things should get back to normal.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
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EVGA still has MSRP at $1200 for a bottom line 3080TI. Once mining collapses or changes to , what is it POW or whatever, things should get back to normal.

Maybe. There may be a card dump, but next-gen (4xxx-series) cards are rumoured to be even more expensive than 3xxx series. Should be interesting to see what actually happens. It's at least 6 months away, if not longer.
 

moonbogg

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Aikouka

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Then they get down near $1000, I will buy one. Don't hold your breath on that one, I'm not....
It's not too bad if you don't mind sitting outside your local Best Buy.... or not-so-local store if yours doesn't get them. The best thing is that those cards are MSRP. The worst thing is all the issues with the FE cards and their thermal pads. Oh, and the lack of cheaper watercooling options doesn't help.
 

Mopetar

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Does this mean 3080Ti will plummet to $1950 in the next 9 months? If God wills it, then let it be so as we will rejoice and be glad in it.

Doubtful. The mining just gets moved outside of China. Given the clampdown there's even more incentive to have cryptocurrency that the Chinese government can't just take away from you.
 

DisarmedDespot

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Doubtful. The mining just gets moved outside of China. Given the clampdown there's even more incentive to have cryptocurrency that the Chinese government can't just take away from you.
That's some world-class spin right there. The stuff is now significantly more difficult to buy and use, that's not a good thing for crypto adoption.
 

Arkaign

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This article is a great example of taking news purely from CCP front organizations, and kind of amazing in respect to how bluntly stupid the conclusion is. For context, Australia requested an investigation into how the Covid virus began and spread, and the CCP went 'reeeeeeee!!!' and fixated politically motivated bans on imports of Australian goods in many areas, most notably coal. This has resulted in increasingly serious coal shortages, particularly of higher grade (more energy per kilogram) product needed for fueling their coal power plants. To avoid more lengthy disruptions, they are now rotating planned stoppages at their plants so they can make do with the shortfall in coal supplies.

Somewhat hilariously, their propaganda news arms are slanting this situation as a deliberate effort by the party to 'curb carbon emissions', which is a distortion of the truth to make the consequence of their own policies something they can claim is deliberate, and a transparent choice to avoid criticism for fumbling the situation so horribly. A truly terrible look as they head straight for a serious winter shortfall, and many homes depend not just on the coal plants for power and heat, but have small heating coal ovens they use to avoid freezing to death in the depths of winter.

This is definitely going to further affect shortages of many components and distribution in the tech industry and many other trade pipelines as well, and look for even more severe disruptions until a deal can potentially be made either to restore Aussie coal imports or an effective alternative sourcing.
 

DrMrLordX

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This is definitely going to further affect shortages of many components and distribution in the tech industry and many other trade pipelines as well, and look for even more severe disruptions until a deal can potentially be made either to restore Aussie coal imports or an effective alternative sourcing.

That's . . . quite interesting, actually. <insertnameofpoliticallychargedfigurehere> may have bitten off more than he can chew. Not that I want to turn this into a P&N thread but.
 
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Panino Manino

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Isn't that's why they want crypto to die? They wouldn't need to do this if not for crypto sucking so much energy.
 

Mopetar

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That's some world-class spin right there. The stuff is now significantly more difficult to buy and use, that's not a good thing for crypto adoption.

You can have your mining done anywhere. You don't need to have it in your room, your house, your property, or even your country. Move it overseas and continue mining. The crypto you mine can be exchanged for local currency to cover the costs.

If you ever want to be able to get out of China then having cryptocurrency is your best bet. Their government has everything else on lockdown so unless you're just happy to have the shirt on your back then you don't have many alternatives outside of anything incredibly valuable you can carry out on your person or otherwise sneak past the authorities.
 
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Arkaign

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Isn't that's why they want crypto to die? They wouldn't need to do this if not for crypto sucking so much energy.

It's definitely part of it. Sort of a triumvirate of things.

1- They want to introduce digital RMB, and don't want any other digital currencies.

2- They fear single entities growing too powerful and too influential, and Crypto is not something they can control.

3- Lack of coal is rapidly becoming a very serious issue, and is now causing delays and interruptions in producing tech products.
 

gorobei

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dRMB or eCNY is all about control.

xi jinping secured president for life in 2018 but said he opposed the idea of using it. but recently he has been pushing the nation away from western style free capitalism.
in 2021 china has started cracking down on a bunch of odd overreaching things: 3 hour limit on gaming for kids, no media depicting effeminate men(rip jpop kpop idols), the australian coal thing, clampdown on western visas for language teachers, and most importantly moves toward limiting real estate as wealth storage.

because of the fallout from 1 child per family policy in the 80's there are fewer women than men in non urban areas. as a way of enticing a bride, the men's families started acquiring 2nd or 3rd homes as a way of making sons look more attractive. housing became the primary means of wealth storage in a country where the citizens dont trust the govt to not change the laws and devalue their savings. and surprise surprise that exactly happened.

citizens with their new found wealth were finding ways to get money out of china, so much so that china hired western retired law enforcement to hunt down chinese nationals that were violating the law limiting them from taking/spending more than $50000 worth of yuan out of the country.(you can buy goods to bring back to china but you cant buy/own anything outside of china (asset or property or anything that will earn money or increase in value .)

Crypto was the perfect way to get money out of china without govt interference. while the US has rules on money transfers larger than $10000(ie to prevent stuff like drug money making its way back to the cartels and other criminal operations), the laws dont prevent you from spending it on legal investments. china's laws do.

a bunch of western nations have fast track citizenship if you bring 1million dollars (or some number around there) with you. so china is basically clamping down to prevent the super rich from leaving the country with their money.

if the crypto news sites are to be believed the downturn was a result of miners moving operations out of china following the crackdown on exchanges, citing the sudden recovery of total hashrate two months later as proof.

while crypto is an easy scapegoat for the gpu/chip shortage, the covid shutdown and supply line disruption affecting all components, chemicals and trade in general is the real cause.
 

Markfw

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I just won a EVGA 3080TI at MSRP on the newegg shuffle. $1430.
Never use UPS... It was only 1000 miles away, and with perfect weather, it will be a week before I get it. "unavoidably delayed" my ass. It was supposed to be here today, now its Monday. Its been in town since yesterday, but they can't deliver it ???? That 12:32 is noon yesterday.....


09/30/2021
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Arrived at Facility
Portland, OR, United States
 
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Glo.

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while crypto is an easy scapegoat for the gpu/chip shortage, the covid shutdown and supply line disruption affecting all components, chemicals and trade in general is the real cause.
THIS should be emphasized. Miners bought laptops for mining and this didn't even made a single dent in Laptop shipments, and has not caused any laptop shortage.

Desktop, because of so limited supply of other hardware, was the only market that got the smallest shipments of products, because its the least profitable and least crucial segment for Nvidia, Intel, AMD. OEMs are more important than enthusiasts. Why? Because those OEMs push higher volumes of products with higher margins.
 
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VirtualLarry

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THIS should be emphasized. Miners bought laptops for mining and this didn't even made a single dent in Laptop shipments, and has not caused any laptop shortage.

Desktop, because of so limited supply of other hardware, was the only market that got the smallest shipments of products, because its the least profitable and least crucial segment for Nvidia, Intel, AMD. OEMs are more important than enthusiasts. Why? Because those OEMs push higher volumes of products with higher margins.
True! In fact, for OEM pre-builts, there hasn't seemed to have been all that much of a shortage of 30-series GPUs, if any at all. In fact, that's why it was touted that buying a pre-built to get an OEM 30-series GPU was such a good idea, because they didn't seem to be nearly as supply-constrained.

Same deal with laptops, they make millions of them, rather than a few thousand or hundred thousand GPUs for desktop.
 

VirtualLarry

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Back on topic somewhat... I am honestly a bit uncertain what is going to happen after "the Merge" and PoS, and PoW being turned OFF for ETH mining. I hope that some of the other coins can step up and provide an income to miners, or at least, cover their electric costs and then some. But I if I were honest, if "the merge" happened today, I just don't see it happening. I see a huge mining crash. And my 21+ GPUs worth maybe, $100-200 at best ea.