The anti-AI thread

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Jon-T

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Just stumbled on this Youtube AI channel

Posting about Chicago. popping out an endless stream of ai videos every 15 minutes 7000+ videos so far just filling disk space. Probably doing the same for every city.
 
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yeah ai garbage.....speaking of ai garbage and enshitification....gmail....they just opted everyone into their ai system?

and when you turn that shit off it also turns of sorting, spell check and who knows what....but at least they pinkie promise to not read your emails if you turn that feature off.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I don't get why this even happens, they should have to pay like we do. If they use more power then they should pay for it, and if the hydro company has to upgrade infrastructure then it should be on their dime.

If I decide I need more than 100 amps in my house and upgrade to 200 or heck, decide I want 3 phase, I'm going to have to pay out of pocket for that. So why are DCs not the same?
They do, but demand goes up and supply is limited, so prices increase. Unless there's a tax break somewhere (which may exist) a citizen isn't paying for the DC's power.
 

snoopy7548

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Stupid AI is stupid...

EDIT: Actually... I turned off the Smart Features a few weeks ago (and it's still off), so maybe this isn't AI. Who the hell knows anymore.


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jmagg

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Chatting with my son this morn.
Cant be trusted in dev.


"I have a crazy thing

Today a deep technical problem

An engineer looked at some graphs and logs and came up with a theory of why an error was occurring

We fed the same data to an LLM and the machine said the same thing exactly ( and we didn’t the machine our thoughts ) - so they agreed with each other without knowing. And the answer was wrong"
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Chatting with my son this morn.
Cant be trusted in dev.


"I have a crazy thing

Today a deep technical problem

An engineer looked at some graphs and logs and came up with a theory of why an error was occurring

We fed the same data to an LLM and the machine said the same thing exactly ( and we didn’t the machine our thoughts ) - so they agreed with each other without knowing. And the answer was wrong"
That's not necessarily a bad thing, both engineer and AI used their knowledge to come to what was probably a logical conclusion, even if it was wrong.
 
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jmagg

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That's not necessarily a bad thing, both engineer and AI used their knowledge to come to what was probably a logical conclusion, even if it was wrong.


I asked if that set a precedent?

"Yes

LLM/AI/GenAI are mostly all synonymous now

It’s great we log files that are text only but are TERABYTES in size

The grow by gigabytes per day

Previously they were almost impossible to even open with a normal text editor let alone read

Now I can upload to AI and it can analyze for me"
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I asked if that set a precedent?

"Yes

LLM/AI/GenAI are mostly all synonymous now

It’s great we log files that are text only but are TERABYTES in size

The grow by gigabytes per day

Previously they were almost impossible to even open with a normal text editor let alone read

Now I can upload to AI and it can analyze for me"
Lol, there is something to be said about cleaning up your logging/reducing logging level unless you really need debug levels...
 
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jmagg

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Meanwhile in sports football betting...

"A.I. 0-10 ATS on Eagles Games​


One pick I would lock in now is Eagles (-4.5) at Dallas. The A.I. has not hit a single Eagles game against the spread this entire season, going a stunning 0-10 after the first 11 weeks.


That’s insane. Your chances of losing 11 straight coin flips are 0.0488%.


It’s become safe to assume that the A.I. is relying on some faulty assumptions when it comes to the Birds."

Also across the board...

  • A.I. ATS Record: 61-74
  • A.I. O/U Record: 58-77
 

marees

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another thing for the pile of reasons to hate this big AI fad — destroyed livelihoods, greenhouse gasses, electricity prices, layoffs, stolen water supplies, toxic chemicals, turbo-charged false information industry, mental health degradation, and now rapidly ballooning consumer goods prices.


the current wave of AI hype doesn't seem likely it will die down any time soon. Once any existing consumer tech supplies dwindle for any manufacturer, products like Xbox and PlayStation consoles, television sets, laptops, and more, could start to see serious price increases over time. The volatility between AI demand and tariffs is why we didn't get the Xbox Ally prices until the very last minute, and why we still don't have the Steam Machine prices either.


OpenAI and others are being given massive loans and subsidies (often paid for by taxpayers) and require absolutely enormous quantities of electricity, processing, and also memory capacity. Backed by nation states and the full force of Wall Street hype, manufacturers of consumer-grade goods like laptops, video game consoles, and TVs typically already endure thin margins — they cannot outbid the likes of OpenAI on data center component purchasing.
 

Red Squirrel

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Apparently they are also eminent domaining land to build DCs and power lines now and kicking people off their land. This is pretty horrible. I always hated the idea of eminent domain, it shouldn't be a thing. If you own land it should be 100% yours and nobody should be able to take it from you.


I still don't get how companies are justifying all the money they are putting into this. There's no way they are getting any of it back. Come to think of it I'm surprised they don't stick inline ads within AI output. I don't even get how they are making money at all. I guess some people are paying for the subscription versions that give more features but even then it's not millions.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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I still don't get how companies are justifying all the money they are putting into this. There's no way they are getting any of it back. Come to think of it I'm surprised they don't stick inline ads within AI output. I don't even get how they are making money at all. I guess some people are paying for the subscription versions that give more features but even then it's not millions.
The value is in the potential right now, mainly the potential for additional economic growth with essentially only power as the cost (hardware notwithstanding). It's sometimes hard to see from the outside but the changes to high labor technical work is going to be dramatic.
 

nakedfrog

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It's absolutely speculative, it's a lot like the gold rush, they're certain there's going to be a lot of money to be made, and they're determined to be the ones that hit the mother lode.
 

cytg111

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It's not like that.

Generative AI is not going to make robots deliver the morning newspaper even if the hardware was available right now.

It is ads.
And those ads are going to kill us.
Actually ads have been killing us for a good decade, now it's just on steroids.

This is my take on it.

- The big companies are all in competition for our consumer spending.
- The consumer spending pool is of a relatively fixed size, adjusting for conjecture and so on.
- The primary evolutionarily trait being selected for in this race is ads.

So they get better and better at doing ads, in a constant battle to get a leg up on the competition and get a slight bigger slice of the fixed spending pool.

They get so good that at this point the body politic find use for these techniques to buy the vote.

Enter Cambridge Analytica. We all remember this one right?

Put Cambridge Analytica on steroids and this is what we have with current gen AI.

With the right model and the right prompting they can get us to buy and vote ANYTHING. AAAAANYTHING. For they know us better than we know our selves.

And this is the biggest threat of this generation of AI, not the AI itself but the not-quite-human lookalike motherfuckers like Elon Musk that wields it.

And it's going to kill us. Not in the literal sense but it will be used to take away our agency - if we allow it.

Call me nostradumbass all you want, this is coming. I've done the math. cough.

What really gets me every time I ponder this shit is that it's all over the same god damn fixed pool of cash. Death by capitalism. Idiot humans.


Edit:


This is actually great news IMO, ill have to put another thing down on the plus list Trump has done, as it pains me.

It's going to put cutting edge AI to good use, not just stomping ads down our throats.
 
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cytg111

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Incidentally, this is also why none of them can afford to back down from the race, datacenters, new GPU's and whatnot.

There is no NEW money to be made.

But there is OLD money to be lost.
 

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