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Red Squirrel

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Not regular coal, but Clean Coal(TM). :p

The power companies should do like what they do with the mines, pay DCs to shed load during peak times. Obviously don't want to be shutting down colo customers that have things like web servers but If ChatGPT or Grok or other AI is down or degraded for a few hours it's not really the end of the world.

Really they need to build more DCs in the north, they could at least save on cooling, and could even build more hydro dams. I was looking at options to colo a server for fun and there's like nothing here.
 
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dr1337

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Yeah it really is scary how 1984 is pretty much happening all around us.









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none of this is really related to AI though, surveillance has been going on for a long time, there are literally Dr. Who episodes about all the cameras in the UK for example, long predating AI.
 

Red Squirrel

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Yeah true, but AI is basically stepping it up to an even more dystopian level. The mass surveillance really started off after 9/11, and then introduction of smart phones and IoT and now AI.

My city has a program where we can share our cameras with the cops as well, I get the idea, as crime is a huge issue here and it can maybe help with that, but it also still feels very dystopian. There is a fine line between creating a secure society, and one that is oppressive. When they keep adding more and more surveilance yet crime doesn't go down, it's more oppressive than anything, and that's more or less what we're seeing.
 
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Kaido

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none of this is really related to AI though, surveillance has been going on for a long time, there are literally Dr. Who episodes about all the cameras in the UK for example, long predating AI.

The entire point of these cameras is A.I.!


Cameras are just cameras. Network-connected cameras with smart processing opens the doors to hundreds of use cases:


Eugene and Springfield police have purchased license plate readers that use AI to make digital fingerprints of vehicles. Police say they're a tool to gather objective evidence and they’ve already helped solve a violent crime.

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The cameras–small black devices powered with solar panels–use AI to capture make, model, color, unique characteristics like damage or bumper stickers, as well as license plate numbers. According to the company, it can also make digital fingerprints of bicycles.

Customs and Border Protection (CBP) regularly searched more than 80,000 Flock automated license plate reader (ALPR) cameras

ICE's 'Backdoor' Into a Nationwide AI Surveillance Network

AI mass surveillance expands

Flock’s system automatically records and processes still images and/or video through AI to create a unique “Vehicle Fingerprint™”. This “fingerprint” allows users to track a vehicle by license plate plus “type, make, color, state registration, missing/covered plates, bumper stickers, decals, roof racks, and bike racks”. The company website boasts of more wide-ranging capabilities in addition.


Amazon Ring Cashes in on Techno-Authoritarianism and Mass Surveillance

Not only is the company reintroducing new versions of old features which would allow police to request footage directly from Ring users, it is also introducing a new feature that would allow police to request live-stream access to people’s home security devices.



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Kaido

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Anthropic will pay a record-breaking $1.5 billion to settle copyright lawsuit with authors


Short version:

1. The judge in the case ruled that Anthropic's use of copyrighted material for training its large language model was fair use

2. Some of the books use for training were scraped from illegal sites

3. As a result of that, the judge ruled that the authors and publishers could pursue piracy claims. The 500,000 authors involved in the case will get $3,000 per work.
 
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Kaido

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Young people are using ChatGPT to write their applications; HR is using AI to read them; no one is getting hired:

 
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Red Squirrel

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Funny but not funny. Pretty sad state of affairs. I would hate being on the job market now, so much BS to deal with, AI just adds to that. I've read stories of people adding white text to their resumes to basically tell the AI to ignore every other resume and that the current one should be hired. Not sure how well that truly works though, and it won't work if the resume ends up being printed or faxed at some point in the process.
 

Kaido

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Every lens leaves a blur signature—a hidden fingerprint in every photo

We show how to learn it fast (5 mins of capture!) with Lens Blur Fields With it, we can tell apart ‘identical’ phones by their optics, deblur images, and render realistic blurs.



So we have AI:

* Gait tracking
* Hand tracking
* Bicycle tracking
* Outside camera photo background tracing
* Lens tracing

o_O

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Red Squirrel

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Guess this is the same idea as printers that leave signature dots so any print out can be traced to a specific printer, and if you bought it with a credit card, a specific user.

This is a good case for buying these sort of things with cash, it breaks the chain of tracking, to some extent. Cash does have serial numbers on it so could still in theory be traced back to you if you withdrawed it from the bank. You can make it a pain in the ass though. Withdraw cash, go buy stuff at the corner store, then buy gift cards with the change, then use gift card to buy printer, camera, etc.
 

nakedfrog

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"In a press release shared today, September 11th, the France-based streaming service confirmed that 30,000 tracks created with AI are added to the platform every day, accounting for roughly 28 percent of Deezer's daily uploads. The platform also stated that up to 70 percent of the plays for these tracks have been detected as fraudulent—Deezer says they've filtered these streams out of their metrics for royalty payments. The figure marks a sharp increase from the numbers Deezer reported earlier this year. In January, the platform launched a new AI-detection tool after discovering that around 10,000 "fully AI-generated tracks" were being uploaded to the platform every day. "

 

dr1337

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its sad how its taken AI for websites to finally acknowledge and deal with spam issues. its always okay for them to have 100 fake songs, but 10,000? man thats clearly too far...

fake content has long been a problem, but of course no capitalist would ever do anything about it until its obviously fraudulent to external sources.

key word, all websites abuse bots until they get caught, and only the dumbest submit and admit they knew what was going on the whole time. yet another reason why/how AI can be a good guy and not the enemy. theres no way to beat script kiddies and bot farmers until the AIs start fighting back/announcing themselves.

every media platform has bot issues, youtube spam bots are notorious, facebook and instagram are riddled with bots, and twitter is mostly bots. its genuinely crazy we let people pretend all of this isn't already happening, but at least AI can out it
 

nakedfrog

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its sad how its taken AI for websites to finally acknowledge and deal with spam issues. its always okay for them to have 100 fake songs, but 10,000? man thats clearly too far...

fake content has long been a problem, but of course no capitalist would ever do anything about it until its obviously fraudulent to external sources.

key word, all websites abuse bots until they get caught, and only the dumbest submit and admit they knew what was going on the whole time. yet another reason why/how AI can be a good guy and not the enemy. theres no way to beat script kiddies and bot farmers until the AIs start fighting back/announcing themselves.

every media platform has bot issues, youtube spam bots are notorious, facebook and instagram are riddled with bots, and twitter is mostly bots. its genuinely crazy we let people pretend all of this isn't already happening, but at least AI can out it
It was 10,000 per day in January, now up to 30,000 per day.
A lot of AI songs are getting uploaded under the names of old, inactive bands, too.
 

marees

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Peak AI




In short

  • OpenAI doesn’t have $300 billion dollars
  • They don’t have anywhere near $300 billion dollars
  • By their own (presumably optimistic) projection, they won’t turn a profit until 2030.
  • And all this from a company thought (or claimed) that GPT-5 was going to be tantamount to AGI (spoiler alert: it wasn’t)
  • For good measure Oracle doesn’t have the chips they would need to fulfill the contracts, or even the cash to buy them.

OpenAI's revenue this year is approximately $13 billion, with about $20 billion in cash on hand. Claiming its revenue could grow to $200 billion by 2030, it signed a $300 billion guaranteed purchase agreement with Oracle for the next five years.
Oracle, with only $11 billion in cash and annual operating cash flow and capital expenditure around $20 billion, now plans to increase its capital expenditure to $60 billion per year within the next one to two years to meet OpenAI's demands.
OpenAI is reportedly placing a massive custom order with Broadcom, requiring $10 billion in chips to be delivered by the third quarter of next year, while Google's TPU orders are also around $10 billion.
Something feels off about this.
 
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VirtualLarry

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Yeah, and all the other relatively-poor power customers get to foot the bill for these data centers operated by billionare fat-cat corporations, due to quirks how our regional power systems operate. People are seeing $900 residential power bills. Others are seeing their costs more than 2X, even though their usage is down.
 

marees

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My Takeaways:

Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta to survive as they are spending discretionary capital

Nvidia margins to drop because of competition (from custom ASICs of hyperscalers & broadcom. Also AMD & Deepseek/Huawei/China)

Oracle vulnerable because of the huge debt they have taken on. This could potentially erode the net wealth of Larry Ellison

OpenAI go for big IPO (when share prices remain high).
What happens after that is anybody guess


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Chaotic42

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Yeah, and all the other relatively-poor power customers get to foot the bill for these data centers operated by billionare fat-cat corporations, due to quirks how our regional power systems operate. People are seeing $900 residential power bills. Others are seeing their costs more than 2X, even though their usage is down.
Yep, our power bills here in Nellyville are going way up and they want to open larger datacenters here. We have a lot of high quality water and no one seems to be in a rush to open new power plants. Perfect storm.
 
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Kaido

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My Takeaways:

Microsoft, Google, Amazon, Meta to survive as they are spending discretionary capital

Nvidia margins to drop because of competition (from custom ASICs of hyperscalers & broadcom. Also AMD & Deepseek/Huawei/China)

Oracle vulnerable because of the huge debt they have taken on. This could potentially erode the net wealth of Larry Ellison

OpenAI go for big IPO (when share prices remain high).
What happens after that is anybody guess

Nah, Oracle just bought Tiktok, they should be good LOL
 
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