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The Anatomy of a Cover-Up

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Riprorin

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In July 2000, Ansell Healthcare issued a press release for Lifestyle condoms that contained a gross medical inaccuracy - that condoms prevent the spread of HPV. The Consortium wrote a letter to the CEO of Ansell, complaining of the advertising deception and pointing out that such a statement is not allowed by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Ansell issued an amended press release, but failed to materially correct the false information contained on the initial press release.

The Consortium felt that this promotional activity by Ansell was characteristic of the attempt by condom manufacturers and the public health community to mislead the public on the effectiveness of condoms to protect against many STDs. The Consortium also felt that this situation was characteristic of the lack of regulatory oversight by the FDA. A series of correspondence between the Consortium, a member of Congress and the FDA has followed. The Consortium filed two Freedom of Information Act Requests (FOIA) with the FDA. The FDA has refused to comply with these FOIAs, in direct violation of the law. The FDA, in the opinion of the Consortium, has swept this issue under the rug and continues to be irresponsible in their regulatory obligations.

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Groups ranging from Planned Parenthood to the CDC advocate that teens use a cut-up condom as a dental dam. These groups even make the claim that condoms, cut up and used as dental dams, reduce the risk of STD infection.

The Physicians Consortium has complained about the promotion of condoms as dental dams to the FDA. The FDA acknowledges that no scientific evidence exists to support the claim that dental dams reduce the risk of STDs. The FDA also states that any claim of protectiveness of an altered condom is not permitted. Yet, the FDA refuses to challenge false claims by Planned Parenthood and other groups. The CDC also continues to make the claim that condoms used as dental dams protect against the spread of STDs, despite the lack of scientific evidence.

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So, I really like cheese. I had some aged Gruyere the other day that was just marvelous.

What about you guys?
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Fausto
So, I really like cheese. I had some aged Gruyere the other day that was just marvelous.

What about you guys?
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I thought that you were more clever than that.
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Why would I bother actually replying? You'll just ignore anything I post that undermines your position and then ask idiotic questions for the sake of keeping your thread alive. Finally, when you've been made to look like a complete and utter idiot, again, you'll go find a new article to post and the cycle repeats itself.

I did actually try to give you serious responses in a few threads as an experiment and learned that it just doesn't matter since you won't listen to anything beyond your little paradigm.
 
The CDC and the FDA are dragging their feet on a bill signed by Clinton that requires warning labels on condom packages:

Last month, Rep. Mark Souder (R-IN) held a hearing in the Criminal Justice, Drug Policy and Human Resources Subcommittee on the necessity of including warning labels on condoms. Not only is this common sense, it is the law. Then-Rep. Tom Coburn (R-OK) had legislation signed into law by President Clinton in December 2000 that required condoms to carry labeling similar to that of the Surgeon General's warning on cigarette packages.

The Food and Drug Administration and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have been hemming and hawing in carrying out this act of Congress.

Dr. Coburn told the Committee about an 18-year old girl in his care who, because of experience with one sexual partner, was infected with HPV and was forced to have a good-sized portion of her cervix removed. "As a result she is less likely to be able to become pregnant in the future and more likely to have a premature infant if she does become pregnant. And despite already undergoing invasive treatment, she remains at risk for future complications and additional surgeries."

Coburn noted the National Cancer Institute's statistics show 24 million Americans are currently infected with the HPV virus and that HPV is a contributor to cancers affecting the cervix and other sexual organs. "An infected mother may transmit HPV to her newborn with affected children facing prolonged, difficult treatment for respiratory papillomatosis."

Condoms provide no protection from this often deadly virus because it is spread by contact in areas not covered by a condom. The National Cancer Institute has pointed out, "Behaviors such as beginning sexual intercourse at an early age -- especially age 16 or younger -- and having many sexual partners increase the chance that a woman will develop an HPV infection in the cervix.? Therefore abstinence and avoiding promiscuity, especially at an early age, rather than condoms, are the only sure ways to protect against HPV.

Rep. Coburn went to great lengths in arranging expert testimony and distributing scientific data about the failure of condoms to protect against HPV only to have the Food & Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control ignore it. It was only after Dr. Coburn left Congress, in April 2001, that a blue-ribbon panel he had requested, which was appointed by the Clinton administration, issued a report asserting that there was no epidemiological evidence that condom use reduced the risk of HPV infection or those of a number of other STDS. One month after publishing the report the CDC posted a statement on its website that continued its line giving condoms the okay as a preventative measure against HPV.

However, right before Rep. Coburn left Washington his law requiring warning labels on condom packages was signed by President Clinton.

The CDC was directed to recommend the best strategies to prevent future HPV infections by December 21, 2003. Realizing that they were not going to make the deadline, in a September 2003 report to Congress the CDC outlined a timetable that extended the deadline by four years. Congress balked at this delay and the CDC issued its report in January 2004. The report conceded: "The available scientific evidence is not sufficient to recommend condoms as a primary prevention strategy for the prevention of genital HPV infection."

Nor had the FDA acted to establish guidelines to ensure medically accurate labeling of condoms.

Fortunately, Rep. Souder held the hearing, making clear that one of the roles of his subcommittee: "?is to make sure the laws of Congress are enforced by the executive branch."

Under questioning by Souder, a representative of the CDC admitted that abstinence is the best protection against sexually transmitted diseases and that condoms are able to provide: "?some protection, but not complete protection."

The CDC is still stalling when it comes to educating the public about the shortcomings of condoms and how best to protect against HPV, as required by law. Rep. Souder has no intention of letting up and has written letters to the CDC and FDA asking tough, detailed questions about their work on STD prevention issues. The letter sent to the CDC questions an assertion made by the doctor who testified on its behalf. "Are two studies that show such an association between condom use and reduced cervical cancer risk sufficient to make claims that condom use reduces cervical cancer risk?" he asked.

At the hearing, the FDA representative announced that his agency was developing guidelines for condom labeling.

Truth In Labeling
 
Originally posted by: Fausto
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Fausto
So, I really like cheese. I had some aged Gruyere the other day that was just marvelous.

What about you guys?
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I thought that you were more clever than that.
Click to expand...
Why would I bother actually replying? You'll just ignore anything I post that undermines your position and then ask idiotic questions for the sake of keeping your thread alive. Finally, when you've been made to look like a complete and utter idiot, again, you'll go find a new article to post and the cycle repeats itself.

I did actually try to give you serious responses in a few threads as an experiment and learned that it just doesn't matter since you won't listen to anything beyond your little paradigm.
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Oh. So because we diagreed on a completely different topic, that gives you the green light to thread crap?
 
Originally posted by: Fausto
So, I really like cheese. I had some aged Gruyere the other day that was just marvelous.

What about you guys?
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New York Sharp Cheddar. The dryer, the better.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Oh. So because we diagreed on a completely different topic, that gives you the green light to thread crap?
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Hey Rip, why don't you just complain to the mods if you don't like his posts?

 
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Oh. So because we diagreed on a completely different topic, that gives you the green light to thread crap?
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Hey Rip, why don't you just complain to the mods if you don't like his posts?
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The mods read the threads. It's up to them if they want to enforce the rules on thread crapping or not.

I really don't see any point in complaining.

 
You are right, the FDA isn't looking out for us.

But I'm not worried about condoms. It's up to each of us to decide about our sexual habits.

No, I'm MUCH more concerned about genetically modified foods and untried drugs that get rushed to market for a profit... that kind of thing, the products and marketing that makes big companies richer but makes people who aren't even sexually active into unwitting guinea pigs. All in the name of capitalism. That's scary.

<don't even get me started on Mad Cow
 
Originally posted by: Isla
You are right, the FDA isn't looking out for us.

But I'm not worried about condoms. It's up to each of us to decide about our sexual habits.

No, I'm MUCH more concerned about genetically modified foods and untried drugs that get rushed to market for a profit... that kind of thing, the thing that makes big companies richer but makes people who aren't even sexually active into unwitting guinea pigs. All in the name of capitalism. That's scary.
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Rip isn't worried about that. He loves PROFIT, CAPITALISM, MONEY.
 
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Oh. So because we diagreed on a completely different topic, that gives you the green light to thread crap?
Click to expand...

Hey Rip, why don't you just complain to the mods if you don't like his posts?
Click to expand...

The mods read the threads. It's up to them if they want to enforce the rules on thread crapping or not.

I really don't see any point in complaining.
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What's the rule on thread crapping?


 
i *THINK* i had smoked gouda in amsterdam. i went to a cheese farm, and the cheese was UNBELIEVABLE! it tasted like i was eating meat!
 
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Originally posted by: Isla
You are right, the FDA isn't looking out for us.

But I'm not worried about condoms. It's up to each of us to decide about our sexual habits.

No, I'm MUCH more concerned about genetically modified foods and untried drugs that get rushed to market for a profit... that kind of thing, the thing that makes big companies richer but makes people who aren't even sexually active into unwitting guinea pigs. All in the name of capitalism. That's scary.
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Rip isn't worried about that. He loves PROFIT, CAPITALISM, MONEY.
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Well, it's amazing. Of all things to fault the FDA for... I can't see this as being one of them, since we can choose whether or not to wrap the rascal. Not too many people realize they are feeding their children products made from genetically engineered corn which is 'safe' as far as the FDA is concerned. It takes a LONGITUDINAL study to establish the impact of such things.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Why are you so obsessed with condoms?
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Because they decrease his sensitivity.
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How many carbs in an edible dental dam? I'm serious, I need to know. Oh, it's cherry flavored, in case that makes any difference.
 
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: her209
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Fausto
So, I really like cheese. I had some aged Gruyere the other day that was just marvelous.

What about you guys?
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New York Sharp Cheddar. The dryer, the better.
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Swiss for me. 🙂
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smoked gouda
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I prefer a good, smokey cheddar, preferably sharp.

I did try blue cheese for the first time a couple of weeks ago. Interesting taste; I'll have to try it again to see if I really like it or not. My dad loved the stuff.

Anyone else like pickled herring? I'm the only one in my immediate family who will touch it. Just more for me.
 
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