John Bonham was Led Zeppelin. Sure the group pretended, or tried to function, after his death, but John's death really marked the end of the band, as we knew it, and finaly...uh..death 
Analog
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If Led Zeppelin did it so easily, then why didn't everyone? Seriously folks, the major bands in history melded many elements together to form a unique sound, this includes the Beatles, Stones etc. They deserve the credit - they set the template for everyone else afterwards.
Fritzo
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OK, since I'm a self proclaimed Page-ologist, I can say the following:
EVERY band in the 60's and 70's took music from their influences and made it their own. If you play the original music that Page borrowed from, it's unlistenable (unless you're really a fan of the genre). What makes Page great is he was able to take those influences and turn their otherwise lost works into something great. Most of the blues songs that were borrowed from were considered public domain at the time since the artist was either dead, or their recording company folded.
In today's music, we have "artists" being so lazy they're taking actual clips of classic songs and putting them in their own. If you can take someone's work and make it better, that's one thing, but this sampling crap is going to be the death of music.
Also, I've heard nearly all of the sources this list says Zep stole from. In a lot of cases, it was a couple of lyrics, a riff, or maybe a beat, but the song was always significantly different from the original. The Stairway to Heaven claim is a real stretch as the song Taurus uses a similar arrangement as the beginning of Stairway, but the chords aren't even the same.
EVERY band in the 60's and 70's took music from their influences and made it their own. If you play the original music that Page borrowed from, it's unlistenable (unless you're really a fan of the genre). What makes Page great is he was able to take those influences and turn their otherwise lost works into something great. Most of the blues songs that were borrowed from were considered public domain at the time since the artist was either dead, or their recording company folded.
In today's music, we have "artists" being so lazy they're taking actual clips of classic songs and putting them in their own. If you can take someone's work and make it better, that's one thing, but this sampling crap is going to be the death of music.
Also, I've heard nearly all of the sources this list says Zep stole from. In a lot of cases, it was a couple of lyrics, a riff, or maybe a beat, but the song was always significantly different from the original. The Stairway to Heaven claim is a real stretch as the song Taurus uses a similar arrangement as the beginning of Stairway, but the chords aren't even the same.
meltdown75
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HendrixFan
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Blues has a very LONG tradition of "passing down" classics. Any great blues artists play other people's material. Naturally, that kind of thing leads to adaptations of original compositions.
I can tell you that quite a few of Jimi Hendrix's songs were variations of old blues standards, and a few were straight cover songs.
I can tell you that quite a few of Jimi Hendrix's songs were variations of old blues standards, and a few were straight cover songs.
Cerb
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Early presses of LZ III had "Do what thou wilt" on the A side.
\m/ doesn't quite cut it for the ward against the evil eye...we need a new emoticon!
As to the OP and link: OMG blues guys took stuff from other blues guys?! The horror! This has never been seen before! This is really old news. I could have sworn part of Gallows' Pole was stolen, as well. Eh.
LOL!!!!!!
***throws every Zep CD and bootleg I own into the fire because of the OP's "breaking news"***
More propaganda from Zep haters found via the intraweb. Give yourself a pat on the back.
Vic
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It shouldn't drop your opinion of them. What did they was also done by many other artists of the time, including greats like the Stones and Clapton. They took the '30s and '40s delta blues and make it into some of the greatest rock n' roll of all time. And what did we, Americans, call that fantastic amazing delta blues before it went to England and then was brought back to us by those Brisitsh rock greats? "Jungle music"
And don't think musicians don't copy. ALL musicians copy. Music is an evolution, not an invention.
And you really should blame their twisted manager, Peter Grant, more than the band itself. Managers had tremendous power of their artists' works at the time. John Fogerty of CCR (who was also known to shamelessly rip the blues) was sued by the band's management after he left the band because his solo work sounded too much like his work in CCR (which rates a big "duh" there). For nearly a decade ('75-'85), he lost nearly all his royalties both from CCR and his solo work to his crooked former management. When he finally was able to get paid again, his work had to sound different than CCR's sound even though he developed CCR's sound (and wasn't getting paid for it), and he had to go back into court to prove it.
So think about it here. Are you defending artists? Or management that can't play a note?
It's NOT like Jimmy Page's stealing of Mississippi Delta Blues words and guitar rifs is innocent infringement of the true music writer's rights.
Jimmy Page actually travelled in the Missippi Delta to seek out lyrics and guitar work he could steal. This has been reported in news.
I did a Google search to find an authoritative source to cite for you all about this.
I can't find one now, probably because it's too old, but this definitely was reported in the past. Guess you have to trust me on this one. If I find it I'll come back here & insert with an edit.
On the other hand, some musicians honor and respect the truly creative people who made the music which LZ stole, repackaged, & made fame & great wealth off of.
Prime example: John Hammond, The search for Robert Johnson, dvd, ISBN 0738900796 ( Recommended. Your local public library may have it. )
Jimmy Page actually travelled in the Missippi Delta to seek out lyrics and guitar work he could steal. This has been reported in news.
I did a Google search to find an authoritative source to cite for you all about this.
I can't find one now, probably because it's too old, but this definitely was reported in the past. Guess you have to trust me on this one. If I find it I'll come back here & insert with an edit.
On the other hand, some musicians honor and respect the truly creative people who made the music which LZ stole, repackaged, & made fame & great wealth off of.
Prime example: John Hammond, The search for Robert Johnson, dvd, ISBN 0738900796 ( Recommended. Your local public library may have it. )
Link to all the original versions,and Led Zeppelin versions,
so I can listen to them. Please.
I have to hear both sides of the story to make an imformed desicion.
Plus I like Zep,and always nice to hear.
so I can listen to them. Please.
I have to hear both sides of the story to make an imformed desicion.
Plus I like Zep,and always nice to hear.
Zebo
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Originally posted by: compuwiz1
John Bonham was Led Zeppelin. Sure the group pretended, or tried to function, after his death, but John's death really marked the end of the band, as we knew it, and finaly...uh..death
No doubt about that.. powerful machine gun drummer best of all time!
http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/johnbonham2.mov
That's just it with zeppelin super talent at every position no reason whatsoever not to give a shot out to those they heavily borrowed from on some songs. They lost twice in court apparently but I agree with VIC management team was borderline mafioso and probably most responsible..
DainBramaged
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Jimmy Page's guitar playing fvcking owns. Regardless of whether or not it was original music, it will never be played better.
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