The Aliens. Are we gonna talk about it?

[GodisanAtheist]

After the last 4 years and watching a ton of older mentors and "credible" elders go absolutely Batshitfuckinginsane (tm) I think this is some guy who drank some coolaid or hung out in 4chan for too long or watched too much FoxNews or some crap and has completely lost his mind.

As @woolfe9998 mentioned, the existence of ET spacecraft here basically means everything we know about physics is wrong, and everything we know about physics isn't wrong because I'm typing this comment into a fancy piece of sand that does super math thanks to the physics.

 

[Perknose]

So some credible whistleblower is blowing everything up. I cant even. Every time I begin reading one of these articles I begin chuckling, its not a good look on a grown man.

I dont even know where to start, read the first page here, and at the end he is listing all the (credible?) publications on the subject matter. There is a-lot.

BREAKING NEWS: Federal Whistleblower Called “Credible” by Intelligence Community Inspector General Says U.S. Military Has “Quite a Number” of Spacecraft in Custody of “Non-Human” Origin

Allegation by whistleblower—a former top intel official in the U.S. government—would establish, for the first time in history, the existence of other highly advanced intelligent life in the universe.

sethabramson.substack.com

First of all, any website that simply calls itself PROOF probably doesn't have any.

Secondly, I have always had my suspicions about Elon Musk and Zuckerberg. Does anyone really buy that either are actually from this planet?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

I'm into astrophotography and every time I scan for deep space objects I get more convinced that us sentient late comers from earth believing that we are all alone in this huge unfathomable universe "of ours" is much more silly than the last time I took a look through the eyepiece.

And after perusing the thousands of images that the Hubble and James Webb Space Scopes have produced I wouldn't be surprised at all that in the near future they and its successors will break the myth of us lowly humans being the ONLY intelligent life forms in the vastness of the universe.

When it comes to the topic at hand, being close-minded is the last thing any of us should be.

edit - And yes, I contributed a lot of bandwidth in support of the SETI Project.

On the flipside space is extremely empty with enormous distances to travel to any earthlike planet so I find the idea of intelligent visitors ever coming to earth similarly ludicrous when you consider the time and energy requirements.

 

[eelw]

I can't see a plausible explanation for how any alien species even arrives here. Unfortunately we live in a universe where your top end speed is just under the speed of light so good luck with that. Also, if any advanced species exists anywhere in our galaxy, we would have picked up their radio waves by now. I'm with Fermi's Paradox on this one - intelligent life in the universe is likely quite scarce.

Yup any species that has mastered faster than light travel won’t find any worthwhile form of intelligent life here and just fly by Earth

 

[feralkid]

And how did they come by "Quite a Number” of Spacecraft in Custody?

How did these aliens manage to cross the vast distances of interstellar space only to crash-land on Earth?

Not all crashed; some managed to collect valuable data on our species, what with all the anal probing and other super-advanced technology..

 

[UNCjigga]

Plenty of normal, credible people have fallen for the belief that Hillary ran a pedo cult in the basement of a pizza parlor, or that JFK Jr. is alive and about to jump into the 2024 race.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this guy just found a different rabbit hole to dive into.

 

[crashtech]

After the last 4 years and watching a ton of older mentors and "credible" elders go absolutely Batshitfuckinginsane (tm) I think this is some guy who drank some coolaid or hung out in 4chan for too long or watched too much FoxNews or some crap and has completely lost his mind.

As @woolfe9998 mentioned, the existence of ET spacecraft here basically means everything we know about physics is wrong, and everything we know about physics isn't wrong because I'm typing this comment into a fancy piece of sand that does super math thanks to the physics.

I assume you are being a bit hyperbolic, but no firm conclusions can be made when we're still so obviously on a journey towards more understanding. Many of the things we aren't sure about open up endless possibilities that could eventually explain recent observations, imo:

List of unsolved problems in physics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm pretty agnostic on the subject. Even if ETs are real, who says they want to interact?

 

[crashtech]

Yup any species that has mastered faster than light travel won’t find any worthwhile form of intelligent life here and just fly by Earth

If life is rare, we might be an interesting exhibit, like a zoo.

 

[Perknose]

If life is rare, we might be an interesting exhibit, like a zoo.

If Aliens want to breed me, stud me out with a bevy of carefully selected starlets/brain surgeons, I'd be down to clown.

 

[Roger Wilco]

We send tons of automated spacecraft throughout our solar system. It seems plausible that we will eventually send interstellar automated missions.

 

[cytg111]

First of all, any website that simply calls itself PROOF probably doesn't have any.

Secondly, I have always had my suspicions about Elon Musk and Zuckerberg. Does anyone really buy that either are actually from this planet?

Well its substack and PROOF refers to the bestseller series on Trumps crimes against humanity, fact checked too if you can believe it.
Shit I hope not Elmo and Zucker is aliens, that’d be depressing.

 

[Moonbeam]

I can't see a plausible explanation for how any alien species even arrives here. Unfortunately we live in a universe where your top end speed is just under the speed of light so good luck with that. Also, if any advanced species exists anywhere in our galaxy, we would have picked up their radio waves by now. I'm with Fermi's Paradox on this one - intelligent life in the universe is likely quite scarce.

Perhaps the issue isn't that alien life as you refer to it doesn't have to travel here. Perhaps it has been here since the beginning of the universe and is still here via the expansion. Perhaps the alien is the universe itself and beings here and there become more aware of that as there ability to perceive scales to higher notes in an octave of Cosmic awareness. The alien could be your mailman.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Not to mention, how do advanced alien civilizations that can traverse the cosmos (presumably faster than light) always manage to crash? They have advanced propulsion but no safeguards to avoid crashes? And they conveniently crash where only the Gonvernment can find them. Anyone from the Pentagon can come out and say they heard or seen something from this person or that person but never mention who told them or who showed them so it doesn't go anywhere!, something that isn’t linked to someone’s personal gain. People came to him that he’d worked with for years all of a sudden and confided in him. He’s never actually seen a craft himself. Just doesn’t pass the smell test.

 

[Perknose]

The alien could be your mailman.

That explains A LOT!!!

 

[SMOGZINN]

Our footprint in space and time is tiny and space is huge and has been there for a long time. Even if life is fairly common the odds on it being about at the same time as us and in an area that we can see and it being of a technological level that we can detect all at the same time is pretty small.

Only if you assume that civilizations are relatively short lived, which might actually be the case. But overall, if intelligent life is even slightly common, like one in a million planets common, there should be thousands of them in our galaxy right now, and at least a few of then should be doing things that we could notice with our current technology.

Also, if any advanced species exists anywhere in our galaxy, we would have picked up their radio waves by now. I'm with Fermi's Paradox on this one - intelligent life in the universe is likely quite scarce.

While I agree with you in general, I think you are putting too much on radio. Radio was important to our civilization for what, 50 years is all? It is easy to imagine that many other species would have bypassed it altogether or used it for a few years at best, especially if their primary communication method is not sound.

We send tons of automated spacecraft throughout our solar system. It seems plausible that we will eventually send interstellar automated missions.

I don't know about that. Mankind is just not big on long term projects, and an automated space probe to even one of the closest stars would take hundreds of years to get there and send any data back. I can't see anyone shelling out the billions of dollars it would take to accomplish that when they would never even know if it made it or not.

 

[feralkid]

If Aliens want to breed me, stud me out with a bevy of carefully selected starlets/brain surgeons, I'd be down to clown.

They will also need caretakers for all the animals that will be bred and slaughtered, so not all jobs will be as glamorous as one would hope...

 

[SMOGZINN]

I read a interesting take on the Fermi Paradox the other day. It was a tangent on a paper about a possible treatment for cancer of all things. It was an aside by the author talking about how a cancer is a cell that has stopped cooperating and has become competitive, he then went on to say that the vast majority of life on earth works this way, and that the altruism required for complex multicellular organisms might be the great filter that explains the Fermi Paradox.

What if what makes us special is that we are among the most peaceful organisms in the universe, on a cellular level?

 

[feralkid]

While I agree with you in general, I think you are putting too much on radio. Radio was important to our civilization for what, 50 years is all?

You do know that WiFi and Bluetooth and Cellular data are all just radio frequencies..right?

 

[Pens1566]

You do know that WiFi and Bluetooth and Cellular data are all just radio frequencies..right?

Tons of shit is RF.

 

[woolfe9998]

While I agree with you in general, I think you are putting too much on radio. Radio was important to our civilization for what, 50 years is all? It is easy to imagine that many other species would have bypassed it altogether or used it for a few years at best, especially if their primary communication method is not sound.

The use of radio waves, whether for radio, television, or any and all wireless communications and data transmission, is crucial in considering the presence or absence of intelligent life elsewhere. Any sufficiently advanced species will use radio waves to communicate, at least for a period of time. Possibly we'll still be using them 1000 years from now. The fact we're not picking up any such transmissions after like 60 years of trying seems to be evidence of absence, or at least localized (i.e. our own galaxy) absence.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I assume you are being a bit hyperbolic, but no firm conclusions can be made when we're still so obviously on a journey towards more understanding. Many of the things we aren't sure about open up endless possibilities that could eventually explain recent observations, imo:

List of unsolved problems in physics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I'm pretty agnostic on the subject. Even if ETs are real, who says they want to interact?

- Yes, I am being a bit hyperbolic about it, we certainly haven't reached the end of knowledge. Problem with ETs is that they require way too many assumptions even beyond the realm of physics and into just straight logic for them to really make sense.

 

[Perknose]

They will also need caretakers for all the animals that will be bred and slaughtered, so not all jobs will be as glamorous as one would hope...

Well, yeah, but these would be emissaries of an advanced civilization who have come all this way across the cosmos, so I'd at least expect a fluffer or two to help me "produce" for them. Plus, if they're going to record the whole process, I'd want residuals.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

The use of radio waves, whether for radio, television, or any and all wireless communications and data transmission, is crucial in considering the presence or absence of intelligent life elsewhere. Any sufficiently advanced species will use radio waves to communicate, at least for a period of time. Possibly we'll still be using them 1000 years from now. The fact we're not picking up any such transmissions after like 60 years of trying seems to be evidence of absence, or at least localized (i.e. our own galaxy) absence.

-TBF even if we used radio for 1000 years the real kicker with the whole "speed limit of the universe" is that those radiowaves would have only made it 1000 light years from Earth. Considering the Milky Way Galaxy alone is 100,000 light years across we'd still only be reaching a very very small % of nearby stars and when you start piling on all the other variables (the simplest of which is whether or not we'll even have an advanced civilization in 1000 years) then the odds of finding life just keep getting worse and worse.

All in all I'm a firm believer that Alien life and even Intellgent (by our standards) alien life is out there, but there is a very high probability that we will never be able to talk to each other. Just too many chances for ships to pass in the night.

 

[cytg111]

As a potential alien life form and its personal transport mechanism per definition must be on the other side of that event horizon of current human cognitive reach, it would be foolish of me to guesstimate what restraints and restrictions such a being must be bound by.
Just saying.
I still think its a military psyops campaign though.

 

[fskimospy]

Not to mention, how do advanced alien civilizations that can traverse the cosmos (presumably faster than light) always manage to crash? They have advanced propulsion but no safeguards to avoid crashes? And they conveniently crash where only the Gonvernment can find them. Anyone from the Pentagon can come out and say they heard or seen something from this person or that person but never mention who told them or who showed them so it doesn't go anywhere!, something that isn’t linked to someone’s personal gain. People came to him that he’d worked with for years all of a sudden and confided in him. He’s never actually seen a craft himself. Just doesn’t pass the smell test.

Well they apparently flew all the way here to go spelunking in some redneck’s butt hole so maybe they aren’t as fancy as we think.