The 9800GT is out

[zod96]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16814130377

Is their any difference between the 8800GT and the 9800GT? They look exactly the same spec wise..

 

[s44]

Originally posted by: zod96
Is their any difference between the 8800GT and the 9800GT?

Smaller process.

 

[thilanliyan]

So theoretically cooler running but they're using the single slot cooler that was used on the 1st 8800GTs, so it may not run that much cooler.

 

[zod96]

Its still 65nm process

 

[error8]

"The product will be have 112 Shader processor-enabled, still be based on the 65nm G92 GPU and have the same frequencies and specs as the 8800 GT counterpart. "- from Guru3D

My God, it's on the same 65 nm process. Stupid Nvidia, I hate you! I also thought it was on 55 nm, but it's not. It's the same card, the same story with the 8800GS/9600GSO.

 

[OCGuy]

So basically they wanted to EOL the 8 series, but keep the 8800GT around so they rebadged it?

 

[solofly]

Same $hit over and over and over and nothing new...

 

[Denithor]

Actually, my take is a little different than you guys.

I think these new names (9600GSO, 9800GT, etc) are what nV should have called the cards to begin with instead of rolling them out as rebadges. That would have made sense, though, something nV hasn't had much acquaintance with recently.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Yup, the 8800GT was based on the G92, and should have been called the 9800GT to begin with, the G92 8800GTS should have been called the 9800GTS...would have saved a lot of confusion...although the G92 8800GTS is probably speced to closely to the 9800GTX...but specs could have been shifted around. The 9800GTX could have been clocked closer to what the GTX+ is now and made simply a bit more rare...or perhaps the would have been 9800GTS could have been phased out and replaced by the GTX...(much like how the G92 8800GTS is slowly disappearing)

 

[betasub]

First Nvidia called their G92 cards very similar names to the G80 cards (all those 8800 variations), and then switch their names to the grander sounding 9000 series. IMO the naming convention chosen (and stuck to) for the G92 should've been the 8900 series - a continuation of scheme used for their 7800 -> 7900 refresh.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: solofly
Same $hit over and over and over and nothing new...

According to nVidia's driver search, the 9800GT has newer drivers than the 8800GT. I am sure you could mod the drivers (if needed) to make them work on the 8800GT via inf alterations.

 

[taltamir]

That one is overclocked, but I am assuming the stock one has the same core clock...

The 8800GT is a 8800GTS 512 with one shader block disabled due to a defect. The 9800GT is a 9800GTX with one shader block disabled due to a defect.
The 9800GT thus is no better for games, but does include the new features like their video post processing.
Features that don't matter to a gamer, but might matter to someone looking to build a media center PC.

G80 8 series = original nvidia DX10 offering
G92 8 series = die shrunk nvidia DX10 offering that runs faster but had stuff removed (for similar performance at the lower cost)
G92 9 series = almost the same as the G92 8 series, but now offering a few pointless new features for media centers only.

 

[zod96]

So in other words gaming wise their is absolutely no difference between the 8800GT and 9800GT for games..

 

[ashishmishra]

Originally posted by: zod96
So in other words gaming wise their is absolutely no difference between the 8800GT and 9800GT for games..

nope no gaming differences.

 

[taltamir]

correct. no gaming difference.

 

[tigersty1e]

No.

The 8800 GT and 8800 GTS (new refreshes) should have been called the 8900 GT and 8900 GTS.

Calling them the 9800 GT and 9800 GTS would've caused more confusion as they weren't that fast.

 

[fpsdean]

Originally posted by: bunnyfubbles
Yup, the 8800GT was based on the G92, and should have been called the 9800GT to begin with, the G92 8800GTS should have been called the 9800GTS...would have saved a lot of confusion...although the G92 8800GTS is probably speced to closely to the 9800GTX...but specs could have been shifted around. The 9800GTX could have been clocked closer to what the GTX+ is now and made simply a bit more rare...or perhaps the would have been 9800GTS could have been phased out and replaced by the GTX...(much like how the G92 8800GTS is slowly disappearing)

the 9800s aren't worthy of the 9 series name. 8900s would be right, but most 8800s are still faster.... so maybe 8700 would be right....

I'd bet my money on the 8800gt being a tad faster... the 9 series cards seem to drop frames t higher resolutions much faster than the 8 series, even the 8800gts 512 which is the same GPU at a lower clock speed is faster than the 9800gtx/9800gtx+ and you can run drivers 169.25 instead of Nvidias incredibly buggy drivers in the 170s that they refuse to fix.

Oh and let's not forget the price difference either. I can get 8800gts 512s for only $120 now...

 

[Cookie Monster]

The 9800GTs will be a combination of 55nm G92bs and old "inventory" of 65nm G92s. The ones with the 55nm will support hybrid power. Either than that both cards will have the same specs except that the 55nm versions will probably OC alot higher. (Think in the ranges of GTX+ speeds and even higher)

 

[firewolfsm]

nVidia had it right with their 7 series naming. The refresh brings them from 7800 to 7900. It worked perfectly and no one was confused. One architecture, two processes.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The 9800GTs will be a combination of 55nm G92bs and old "inventory" of 65nm G92s. The ones with the 55nm will support hybrid power. Either than that both cards will have the same specs except that the 55nm versions will probably OC alot higher. (Think in the ranges of GTX+ speeds and even higher)

in the 65nm versions only specific high end cards came with hybrid power because it require a seperate secondary chip. Maybe they combined it into the core GPU in the 55nm version if what you say is true.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
The 9800GTs will be a combination of 55nm G92bs and old "inventory" of 65nm G92s. The ones with the 55nm will support hybrid power. Either than that both cards will have the same specs except that the 55nm versions will probably OC alot higher. (Think in the ranges of GTX+ speeds and even higher)

That's exactly what I've read from various sources as well ....

http://www.vr-zone.com/article...st_AMD_RV770/5645.html

http://www.vr-zone.com/article...orce_9800_GT/5714.html

VR-Zone first revealed Nvidia's plan to shift from 65nm to 55nm to lower costs and we have also told you a series of 55nm based mobile graphics GPUs based on G94b and G96b. Now we learned that the first desktop graphics card to be based on 55nm G92b core will be GeForce 9800 GT and it will be launched in July along with GeForce 9900 series. 9800 GT will support Hybrid Power. Apparently, GeForce 9800 GTS will be OEM only, not for channel.

 

[s44]

Two different chips on two different processes under the same card name? I guess after the 8800WTFBBQ (and ATI's x1900GT) it shouldn't be surprising, but that still sucks.

 

[Denithor]

Originally posted by: fpsdean
the 9800s aren't worthy of the 9 series name. 8900s would be right, but most 8800s are still faster.... so maybe 8700 would be right....

And the 9600GT is worthy of the 9-series name while the 8800GT isn't? How exactly?

In thinking further they should have done this:

G92 (65nm) cards should have been launched as 8900 series
G92 (55nm refresh) should be launched as 9800 series

 

[taltamir]

any chance that maybe there will bea 9800GT+ to signify 55nm?

 

[LOUISSSSS]

new name, same card, same performance, more $$$ (than the 8800gt), waste of time.

move on