8GB VRAM not enough (and 10 / 12)

[BFG10K]

8GB

• Dying Light 2, Battlefield 2042, Avatar Frontiers of Pandora, Call of Duty Modern Warfare 3, Starfield, Forza Horizon 5, Horizon Forbidden West, Alan Wake 2, The Last of Us, Tekken 8, FC 24, Detroit Become Human, Death Stranding, Alone in The Dark, Overwatch 2
  3060 12GB higher 1% low than 4060 8GB https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIfz57wmywg
• Cyberpunk 2077, Diablo 4, Hogwarts Legacy, Horizon Zero Dawn, Microsoft Flight Sim 2020, Witcher 3, Watch Dogs Legion skip to 4K + DLSS for each game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPiaWWd0xGc
• Ratchet & Clank, Plague Tale Requiem, Last Of Us, Jedi Survivor, Far Cry 6, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Cyberpunk 2077 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr3MckDxMfE&pp=ygUTMTZnYiB2cyA4Z2IgNDA2MCB0aQ==
• Far Cry 6, Godfall, Hogwarts Legacy, Forza Horizon 5, Forspoken, Doom Eternal, Watchdogs Legion https://youtu.be/fJc--C01P90?t=268
• Last Of Us, Resident Evil 4, Callisto Protocol, Plague Tale Requiem, Halo Infinite, Forspoken https://youtu.be/2_Y3E631ro8?t=429
• Last Of Us, Hogwarts Legacy, Resident Evil 4, Forspoken, Plague Tale Requiem, Callisto Protocol https://youtu.be/Rh7kFgHe21k?t=288
• Hogwarts Legacy, Last Of Us, Spider Man Remastered, Doom Eternal, Forza Horizon 5 https://youtu.be/R943CbDTq_s?t=1473
• Horizon Forbidden West 4060 has issues @ 1080p + DLSS unless you switch off frame generation and reduce settings to high https://youtu.be/3AyKvI23VGw?t=233
• Horizon Forbidden West 3070 requires reducing textures 2 notches https://youtu.be/xTwEGy6HHKo?t=351
• Deathloop https://youtu.be/lu_XHyO-6zY?t=918
• Ghost Recon Breakpoint https://youtu.be/iUGppQVpXzU?t=529
• Resident Evil 2 https://youtu.be/Aa-gsgRjMII?t=796
• Talos Principle 2 https://youtu.be/K6FATQAuEwI?t=337
• Spider Man Remastered https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1060
• Witcher 3 https://youtu.be/vRVR_plVSlc?t=1240

Horizon Forbidden West 3060 is faster than the 2080 Super despite the former usually competing with the 2070. Also 3060 has a better 1% low than 4060 and 4060Ti 8GB.

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Resident Evil Village 3060TI/3070 tanks at 4K and is slower than the 3060/6700XT when ray tracing:

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Company Of Heroes 3060 has a higher minimum than the 3070TI:

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10GB / 12GB

• Plague Tale Requiem 3080 10GB tanks if you enable ray tracing, would be fast enough if it had more VRAM because if you stop moving, the framerate stabilizes to >60FPS https://youtu.be/7zjrMww3fAc?t=496
• Hogwarts Legacy 4K + RT, 4060Ti 16GB is faster than 4070 12GB https://youtu.be/X-h_R488Mq8?t=191

Reasons why still shipping 8GB since 2014 isn't NV's fault.

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1. It's the player's fault.
2. It's the reviewer's fault.
3. It's the developer's fault.
4. It's AMD's fault.
5. It's the game's fault.
6. It's the driver's fault.
7. It's a system configuration issue.
8. Wrong settings were tested.
9. Wrong area was tested.
10. Wrong games were tested.
11. 4K is irrelevant.
12. Texture quality is irrelevant as long as it matches a console's.
13. Detail levels are irrelevant as long as they match a console's.
14. There's no reason a game should use more than 8GB, because a random forum user said so.
15. It's completely acceptable for the more expensive 3070/3070TI/3080 to turn down settings while the cheaper 3060/6700XT has no issue.
16. It's an anomaly.
17. It's a console port.
18. It's a conspiracy against NV.
19. 8GB cards aren't meant for 4K / 1440p / 1080p / 720p gaming.
20. It's completely acceptable to disable ray tracing on NV while AMD has no issue.
21. Polls, hardware market share, and game title count are evidence 8GB is enough, but are totally ignored when they don't suit the ray tracing agenda.

According to some people here, 8GB is neeeevaaaaah NV's fault and objective evidence "doesn't count" because of reasons(tm). If you have others please let me know and I'll add them to the list. Cheers!

 

[A///]

Frametimes suck though, theres a lot of hitching at random points, a lot of the time in cut scenes.

Oh, and I suck at a controller and this game needs one! "press LT" "press X" "press RB" *BUTTON MASHING ENSUES*

Try to see if keyboard mouse work on your console, may need a kvm for it.

 

[WelshBloke]

Try to see if keyboard mouse work on your console, may need a kvm for it.

I'll try later, there was a warning that it would not play well with a KB+M and it feels very controllery.

 

[A///]

I'll try later, there was a warning that it would not play well with a KB+M and it feels very controllery.

I can't do modern consoles because of game mechanics insistance you use the sticks which are unruly if you've not got experience with them in the past and cant' care to learn. They're not mechanical sticks like in the old arcade games. They're more fine control than digital control surfaces but still awful if you can't be arsed to learn them.
still worth trying the kb mouse combo and seeing if ti can be tamed.

 

[WelshBloke]

I can't do modern consoles because of game mechanics insistance you use the sticks which are unruly if you've not got experience with them in the past and cant' care to learn. They're not mechanical sticks like in the old arcade games. They're more fine control than digital control surfaces but still awful if you can't be arsed to learn them.
still worth trying the kb mouse combo and seeing if ti can be tamed.

Mechanical stick you say? I could give it a go!

 

[A///]

Jesus that's ancient lol. Is it usb or serial?

 

[WelshBloke]

Jesus that's ancient lol. Is it usb or serial?

Has a serial to usb converter on. Weirdly Win11 recognises not only the inputs but also the make and model in device manager!



But I'm dragging this thread wildly of topic now and I apologise.


(I realised that my PC is a weird mix of very new and absolutely ancient! There’s a PCIe raid card that’s probably older than my daughter sitting in the next slot to a 6950xt, there’s that Logitech serial wingman siting on a (ridiculous) RGB Razer mousemat)

 

[A///]

Has a serial to usb converter on. Weirdly Win11 recognises not only the inputs but also the make and model in device manager!

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Really now? I still have some old serial gear I wonder if it'll work on w11 environments. The last time I tried getting them to work was on XP and xp broke functionality on a lot. I still see some old tech reinvisioned to use modern connectivity in the shops. spotted some usb c only dot matrixes a while back out of state. Eyes wide as saucers for that I tell you.

 

[WelshBloke]

Really now? I still have some old serial gear I wonder if it'll work on w11 environments. The last time I tried getting them to work was on XP and xp broke functionality on a lot. I still see some old tech reinvisioned to use modern connectivity in the shops. spotted some usb c only dot matrixes a while back out of state. Eyes wide as saucers for that I tell you.

I didnt have to install any drivers, Windows found them. Sees it as native USB with the adaptor.

 

[A///]

I didnt have to install any drivers, Windows found them. Sees it as native USB with the adaptor.
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hmm not had much luck with adapters in the past because of their undisclosed power delivery not being enough to sustain a good connection and data transfer.

 

[WelshBloke]

hmm not had much luck with adapters in the past because of their undisclosed power delivery not being enough to sustain a good connection and data transfer.

That adapter is a first party one that came with the wingman, that probably helps

 

[Mopetar]

Ah yes, saw this earlier but I thought we had enough to dunk on EA already.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1651945413585387522

He called it a "fisher price DRM"

EA has a long history of fisher price DRM. I still to this day refuse to purchase anything they sell over defective Spore DRM that locked me out of my own game and their worthless customer support that had no interest in solving the problem.

 

[Thunder 57]

While it is a Musk owned business, Starlink is open to all and at minimum you get 20 down if I remember correctly.
T-Mobile has a 5G home internet service, it’s cheap and unlimited however comes with the usual t-mob disclaimer no overage charges but your usage may be slowed if you are in the top x percentage of users.

Did you really need to bitch and moan that Elon Musk owns SpaceX and Starlink?

I'll get back on track here and suggest that 12GB will be the new minimum for ultra. NVIDIA owns too much of the market to leave the 4070's out. What I find interesting is that we have GPU's now that have almost as much, if not more, than main memory. It used to be 1/8 or even 1/16 RAM/VRAM ratio. These days it's 1/2 or less.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

We've also had the 8GB RX 480 that launched at the same time for $240. Even if you want to inflation adjust that it's $300. $300 doesn't buy you more than 8GB today.

You can in the U.S. There are a couple of models of RX 6700 10GB for $280-290 at the moment. @SteveGrabowski posted a hot deal a few days ago for a 6750 XT for $310 after MIR. That is a lot of card for the money. @igor_kavinski just posted a MSI 3060 12GB for $305 w/MIR.

 

[NTMBK]

You can in the U.S. There are a couple of models of RX 6700 10GB for $280-290 at the moment. @SteveGrabowski posted a hot deal a few days ago for a 6750 XT for $310 after MIR. That is a lot of card for the money. @igor_kavinski just posted a MSI 3060 12GB for $305 w/MIR.

You're comparing RX 480 MSRP with hot deals on modern cards, not really a fair comparison. I'm sure you could get better deals than $300 on the 480 back in the day.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

You're comparing RX 480 MSRP with hot deals on modern cards, not really a fair comparison. I'm sure you could get better deals than $300 on the 480 back in the day.

Let me clarify; I am not comparing them, I am addressing the claim that you still can't get more than 8GB for 3 bills. You can, is all I'm saying, get 10-12GB around that target price.

 

[NTMBK]

We've also had the 8GB RX 480 that launched at the same time for $240. Even if you want to inflation adjust that it's $300. $300 doesn't buy you more than 8GB today.

Good point! I'd forgotten that the 480 came out first.

 

[psolord]

They say a picture is worth 1000 words and they are right. One screenshot that highlights the problem with Jedi Survivor. This is a run from my 2500k+gtx 1070 configuration at 1080p high.





-Game runs a bit above 30fps.
-The gpu is at less than 40% because the clock is low. The 1070 can go to 2Ghz.
-The ancient 2500k is only at 54%
-8GB is enough, since the vram is at 4.6GBs (see how I made this post on topic? xD)

So normally, it SHOULD be reaching 60fps but noooo

I can tell you however, that 4GBs are not enough for sure (3.5Gbs to be exact)

It did not run well on the GTX970 at all. Less than 30fps for the most part at 1080p medium. (non monetized channel)

The 2500k with the GTX 1070 run noticably better and that, at 1080p High mind you.

 

[psolord]

And here are my "good" runs if anyone cares. I'm focusing on 1080p for now, because I want to test the cpus mostly.

12400f+3060ti, 1080p epic (just uploaded)

8600k+4070ti, 1080p epic

You will see, that the 4070ti run, goes up to 11.5GBs video ram usage, yet the 3060ti run, did not have any problem. They had the same frame drops, cpu induced, at the same parts, although the 4070ti was showing 2GBs more vram.

Side note, color me impressed by the low power usage of the 4070ti. The 3060ti was showing 200+ Watts power usage and the 4070ti 70-80 watts, for the same 1080p/60 epic, wow!

I am trying to test the 6600 now and the stupid game does not run. It gets back to the ea app with no error message. I am afraid the stupid drm is seeing too many configurations. wtf, I can't test my own game? piracy ftw!

 

[Timorous]

With BT. It's pretty cheap as we have 3 mobile phones and a landline with them as well, I'll certainly go with the first people who run fibre to the house though!

What is your mobile internet like? When I moved to my current house we couldn't get anything besides slow ADSL and my phone internet was far faster so that is what I used with tethering for years until Virgin agreed to run a cable from the box to my house.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

And here are my "good" runs if anyone cares. I'm focusing on 1080p for now, because I want to test the cpus mostly.

12400f+3060ti, 1080p epic (just uploaded)

What a trash port with a 12400F not being able to keep a 3060 Ti fed on a 60 fps target. Not surprised a 2500k would massively bottleneck a 1070 at 1080p given that cpu is 12 years old but a 1 year-old i5 bottlenecking a 3060 Ti is ridiculous.

 

[WelshBloke]

What is your mobile internet like? When I moved to my current house we couldn't get anything besides slow ADSL and my phone internet was far faster so that is what I used with tethering for years until Virgin agreed to run a cable from the box to my house.

Ha! Mobile signal you say! (That's through a VPN but it's the same without)

 

[WelshBloke]

What a trash port with a 12400F not being able to keep a 3060 Ti fed on a 60 fps target. Not surprised a 2500k would massively bottleneck a 1070 at 1080p given that cpu is 12 years old but a 1 year-old i5 bottlenecking a 3060 Ti is ridiculous.

It's either a Nvidia problem or an Intel problem as the game runs fine on an AMD rig (not that that means it's Nvidias or Intels fault, EA need to fix their stuff), apart from the cut scene hitching. I'm not convinced that that isn't more of a storage issue with the game trying to stream different areas in, it happens most when the player is getting transported.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

UE4 games having stutter is typical. The rest is not. No way to properly evaluate vram usage because the game is so nerfed. Alex goes after it hard; hate to agree with him, but here we are.

I would be interested to see an FSR comparison between Nvidia and AMD, as every Nvidia gameplay I watch it looks worse than on AMD cards. Which brings me to ARC; It can have high driver overhead, even worse than Nvidia, how is it doing in this game? Particularly A770 8GB V 16GB.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Did you really need to bitch and moan that Elon Musk owns SpaceX and Starlink?

I'll get back on track here and suggest that 12GB will be the new minimum for ultra. NVIDIA owns too much of the market to leave the 4070's out. What I find interesting is that we have GPU's now that have almost as much, if not more, than main memory. It used to be 1/8 or even 1/16 RAM/VRAM ratio. These days it's 1/2 or less.

Edit to I guess edit

 

[Tup3x]

UE4 games having stutter is typical. The rest is not. No way to properly evaluate vram usage because the game is so nerfed. Alex goes after it hard; hate to agree with him, but here we are.

I would be interested to see an FSR comparison between Nvidia and AMD, as every Nvidia gameplay I watch it looks worse than on AMD cards. Which brings me to ARC; It can have high driver overhead, even worse than Nvidia, how is it doing in this game? Particularly A770 8GB V 16GB.

There's no point in such comparison. It's using same version and results would be the same. There's no difference. I'm somewhat surprised that this launched with old version that clearly has issues with particles and the most important object in this game: the lightsaber.