The 2 ( 3 !!!) ways to cool the planet

[[DHT]Osiris]

Read his articles. Start with

Misconceptions Shouldn’t Hold Up Key Climate Solution - EXPOSEDbyCMD

Ocean Pasture Restoration offers a nature-based strategy to avoid climate ruin.

www.exposedbycmd.org

So mass oceanic algae blooms is exactly the kind of thing that I'm fairly certain will kill us off faster than doing nothing at all.

In addition, the article doesn't really state it'll do anything to actually sequester any CO2. How do you keep the plankton blooms from just decomposing like it normally does?

 

[Muse]

So mass oceanic algae blooms is exactly the kind of thing that I'm fairly certain will kill us off faster than doing nothing at all.

In addition, the article doesn't really state it'll do anything to actually sequester any CO2. How do you keep the plankton blooms from just decomposing like it normally does?

Well, you can read the article and also the many comments, lengthy and terse and presumably ask Alex right there in comments of your own. I have yet to encounter a refutation of Ocean Pasture Restoration as a viable means of removing potentially one trillion plus tons of CO2 from earth's atmosphere.

 

[IronWing]

Warming temperatures decrease the capacity of the oceans to retain CO2.

 

[Turbonium]

Not to oversimplify things, but it's monumentally sad how humans screw the planet up, and then try to figure out ways to fix it, rather than just not screwing it up in the first place.

 

[Muse]

I am in communication with Alex Carlin and he's amazed at how oblivious David Keith appears to be about Ocean Pasture Restoration:

Amazing how oblivious David Keith is about Ocean Pasture Restoration and the capacity of ocean photosynthesis to remove CO2

Google Search

https://theecologist.org/2018/may/03/can-we-remove-trillion-tons-carbon-atmosphere

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I am in communication with Alex Carlin and he's amazed at how oblivious David Keith appears to be about Ocean Pasture Restoration:

Google Search

https://theecologist.org/2018/may/03/can-we-remove-trillion-tons-carbon-atmosphere

Again.. everything on this planet that is capable of photosynthesis is subject to decomposition. What's his plan to *remove* 1.5T tons of CO2 from the carbon cycle?

For the record, my plan:

Govt program to grow switchgrass in absurd quantities, I'm talking every farm, yard, rooftop garden we can without running out of food. Collect it, dry it, compress it into bricks, bury it in coal mines. Repeat until we run out of places to put it, then build more places to put it. Moonshot program, will cost trillions. Co2 usage reduction would obviously be a component overall, but I'm talking about co2 sequestration.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

The direction in which I may have taken this discussion is not parallel to the spirit of the topic at hand. I got involved in this because it was one of those academic conversations I had many years ago about the human race and if we should stay on our planet (forever) or venture out into the galactic wild. My position was simple and it took the stance that if we stayed on the planet forever and just tried to live in peace we would face a Brave New World. Dystopian is what we would be faced with, then stagnation, obliteration (near extinction) and repeat and all this would not help the planet, the other species on the planet, etc. Man could never have existed and the planet would still likely suffer from another dominant player.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Considering how far humans have fallen in the last two hundred years compared to the last two hundred thousand years is amazing.

I don't expect the Human Plague to exist a thousand years from now. If we don't wipe ourselves out, Nature will.

This is a good point you have presented. We will likely not make it as a species. So, if a human ain't hear on the planet to hear the planet cry as it heats/cools then do we care?

 

[Muse]

Again.. everything on this planet that is capable of photosynthesis is subject to decomposition. What's his plan to *remove* 1.5T tons of CO2 from the carbon cycle?

For the record, my plan:

Govt program to grow switchgrass in absurd quantities, I'm talking every farm, yard, rooftop garden we can without running out of food. Collect it, dry it, compress it into bricks, bury it in coal mines. Repeat until we run out of places to put it, then build more places to put it. Moonshot program, will cost trillions. Co2 usage reduction would obviously be a component overall, but I'm talking about co2 sequestration.

Research Ocean Pasteur Restoration, I'm sure this has been considered. I watched this video last night (that's Alex Carlin you see on the right):

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Research Ocean Pasteur Restoration, I'm sure this has been considered. I watched this video last night (that's Alex Carlin you see on the right):

So describe it to me? I'm not watching a 24 minute youtube video for what should be a fairly simple explanation.

 

[Muse]

So describe it to me? I'm not watching a 24 minute youtube video for what should be a fairly simple explanation.

Your solution is so costly and difficult, I'm sure you quite realize that. You can dismiss OPR with a wave of your hand, it's your reality, man.

OK, you asked...

Plankton sequester carbon. See the White Cliffs of Dover, that's all limestone:

Is limestone a good carbon sink?

A carbon sink is a natural or artificial reservoir that absorbs and stores the atmosphere's carbon with physical and biological mechanisms. Coal, oil, natural gases, methane hydrate and limestone are all examples of carbon sinks.

In the video the case is made that 99% of the carbon on earth is in limestone. Ramp up the plankton and the carbon comes out of the atmosphere. Plankton create limestone.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Your solution is so costly and difficult, I'm sure you quite realize that. You can dismiss OPR with a wave of your hand, it's your reality, man.

I haven't yet heard anything to dismiss...? How are they getting around decomposition? How are they removing carbon from the carbon cycle? It's a super simple question with what should be a simple answer.

 

[Muse]

I haven't yet heard anything to dismiss...? How are they getting around decomposition? How are they removing carbon from the carbon cycle? It's a super simple question with what should be a simple answer.

See my post just above yours of 6 minutes ago, I edited it several times. "Simple answer:" Limestone.

The Ocean, a carbon sink - Ocean & Climate Platform

THE OCEAN, A CARBON SINK A carbon sink is a natural or artificial reservoir that absorbs and stores the atmosphere’s carbon with physical and biological mechanisms. Coal, oil, natural gases, methane hydrate and limestone are all examples of carbon sinks. After long processes and under certain...

ocean-climate.org

In the video you won't bother to watch makes the case that 99% of the carbon on earth is in limestone. Ramp up the plankton and the carbon comes out of the atmosphere. Plankton create limestone.

 

[IronWing]

Warming ocean temperature decreases the concentration of CO2 in seawater. There is less CO2 available to plankton. Rising temperatures also raise the carbonate compensation depth, leading to less carbonate deposition on the seafloor and dissolution of carbonate already deposited. Unfortunately, it's a positive feedback loop.

Carbonate compensation depth - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

In case you're wondering, the gross effect of global warming on oceanic carbon cycling was a question on my PhD qualifying exam back in the early 1990s.

 

[Ken g6]

That's another part of the problem, all the goals being set are too far away. By 2050 it will be way too late. We should have started working on this like 30 years ago. Even all the car manufacturers saying they want to go full electric by 2035 or whatever. Why set goals that are so far away? Do it now! Don't need to design new cars, take existing designs, just make them electric. I don't know why all the auto makers feel they need to make the EVs a totally separate model.

Do you want compliance cars? Because this is how you get compliance cars.

Because there's a lot of structural matters that will take some time to accommodate the transition. Supply chains have to be adjusted. Batteries have to be beta tested by the well-endowed upper classers(i.e the Bolt's fire problems) before production can ramp up and affordable ones can be made.

Even manufacturers of pure toxins like asbestos and lead had some time to wind things down. Remember that government's fuel is tax revenue, and businesses are the easier source of big tax revenues to collect; they don't want to crush them out of existence when the market is not ready.

This is why some have suggested that, if batteries are the bottleneck, companies should produce plug-in hybrids rather than pure EVs, because they could produce maybe three times as many PHEVs with the same number of battery cells. The problem with this is that you wind up with lots more cars that still can burn gas, and for which it might be easier to burn gas than plug in for electricity.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

See my post just above yours of 6 minutes ago, I edited it several times. "Simple answer:" Limestone.

The Ocean, a carbon sink - Ocean & Climate Platform

THE OCEAN, A CARBON SINK A carbon sink is a natural or artificial reservoir that absorbs and stores the atmosphere’s carbon with physical and biological mechanisms. Coal, oil, natural gases, methane hydrate and limestone are all examples of carbon sinks. After long processes and under certain...

ocean-climate.org

In the video you won't bother to watch makes the case that 99% of the carbon on earth is in limestone. Ramp up the plankton and the carbon comes out of the atmosphere. Plankton create limestone.

Oh lord, so they're talking about generating plankton blooms for shellfish to consume, multiply, die, then over millions of years turn into limestone? How is this a solution to an emergency today?

 

[Muse]

Oh lord, so they're talking about generating plankton blooms for shellfish to consume, multiply, die, then over millions of years turn into limestone? How is this a solution to an emergency today?

Why the fuck are you asking me? Ask at the website. Very likely you are NOT comprehending their plans. I'm the messenger, go to the source. As I understand it, the plankton grab the carbon... boom!

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Why the fuck are you asking me? Ask at the website. Very likely you are NOT comprehending their plans. I'm the messenger, go to the source.

This is your thread, why are you asking me to do homework? You presented that there 2-3 ways, explain them so we know you understand the methods and their limitations.

 

[Muse]

This is your thread, why are you asking me to do homework? You presented that there 2-3 ways, explain them so we know you understand the methods and their limitations.

I'm not a teacher in front of a class. This is a forum for "discussion.:

Links are routinely presented in threads in these forums. The OP is not 100% responsible for doing the homework. Get a clue.

I'm not endorsing or disputing any ideas here. If you think I am, show me. I'm just presenting what I've seen, which is so far those presented in the article cited in the OP and the OPR stuff that Alex Carlin endorses. I'm just presenting all these for discussion and consideration here. I don't care if people endorse or put them down, that's fine. The stakes couldn't be higher.

 

[K1052]

This is why some have suggested that, if batteries are the bottleneck, companies should produce plug-in hybrids rather than pure EVs, because they could produce maybe three times as many PHEVs with the same number of battery cells. The problem with this is that you wind up with lots more cars that still can burn gas, and for which it might be easier to burn gas than plug in for electricity.

I own a PHEV and plug in habitually because I don't like buying gas and it's just cheaper. Getting about 70MPG since the bulk of my daily driving is mostly confined to the 22ish mile range of the EV only mode.

 

[Muse]

I own a PHEV and plug in habitually because I don't like buying gas and it's just cheaper. Getting about 70MPG since the bulk of my daily driving is mostly confined to the 22ish mile range of the EV only mode.

I get maybe 20mph, but drive under 1000m/yr. My next car will be electric, probably not hybrid. But at my rate, don't know when. My 97 sedan has ~34k on it.

 

[K1052]

I get maybe 20mph, but drive under 1000m/yr. My next car will be electric, probably not hybrid. But at my rate, don't know when. My 97 sedan has ~34k on it.

You're going to have issues with the car's rubber components eventually just due to age.

 

[Roger Wilco]

My hope is that greed, not altruism, will ultimately provide the excess energy required for carbon capture.

People and institutions are starting to conceptualize the future of renewables as cheap and insanely profitable. The semiconductor shortage and other supply chain issues are holding back renewable growth a bit right now, but once that clears up I think it's off to the races.

IMO, most people don't give a shit about saving the planet, and many fantasize about and wish for human extinction.

tldr: start telling people that renewables will save and make them a fuck ton of money.

 

[quikah]

All these "solutions" are a no go. You need to develop something that will make money or that will demonstrably improve things within a year or 2. No one is going to agree to flush billions down the drain so maybe things will be better in 20-30 years.

 

[MrSquished]

Why fix this planet, Elon is taking us to Mars!