The 2 ( 3 !!!) ways to cool the planet

[IronWing]

We need to plant swamp forests and keep the bozos away from them long enough for the trees to die and be buried. We could have a new Carboniferous age!

 

[JEDI]

Reading article from 2 days ago in NYTimes by expert Dr. David Keith.

Opinion | What’s the Least Bad Way to Cool the Planet? (Published 2021)

Pretending that climate change can be solved with emissions cuts alone is a dangerous fantasy.

www.nytimes.com

He's personally invested in carbon removal, started a company (Carbon Engineering) that's all about it. But he argues that geo-engineering is a real possibility, creating a reflective layer in the upper atmosphere using sulfur distributed by high flying airplanes and/or making low clouds more reflective by distributing salt into them.

A parameter he talks about is what it would/will take to decrease average global temperatures by a degree. I'm not seeing it, figure he's talking about Celsius, but is he? Working in the USA, it's possible he means Fahrenheit. What do you make of it?
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The summary paragraph at the end of the opinion essay:

Cooling the planet to reduce human suffering in this century will require carbon removal or solar geoengineering or both. The trade-offs between them are uncertain because little comparative research has been done. The fact that one or both are taboo in some green circles is a dreadful misstep of contemporary environmentalism. Climate justice demands fast action to cut emissions and serious exploration of pathways to a cooler future.

why is the earth's molten core still hot after billions of years?
what kind of insulation does the core have?

why isnt starbucks copying that insulation to keep my coffee hot?

 

[IronWing]

why is the earth's molten core still hot after billions of years?
what kind of insulation does the core have?

why isnt starbucks copying that insulation to keep my coffee hot?

Decay of potassium keeps the mantle hot, keeping the core warm.

 

[SaltyNuts]

Decay of potassium keeps the mantle hot, keeping the core warm.

another fucking win for potassium nitrate...

 

[Muse]

At the moment, we are limited by the tools of our times. I've been saying this most my adult life. Even when I studied Physics I knew this and took everything taught as a subset of something yet unrealized. I cannot possibly predict the future, good or bad, so I leave the idea open to the possibilities. There was a time most thought the world was flat because they couldn't imagine seeing over the horizon.

Most thought, but maybe a few were smarter and realized it wasn't flat. However show me the minority who realize we'll populate other solar systems and I'll show you idiots. We'll never get spacecraft to go fast enough to make it happen. Partly because as you approach the speed of light your craft gets heavier and heavier. And even light is too dang slow. And what's the point? When we get there we aren't going to find a Disneyland.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

By your stance we should wipe ourselves out and do Earth the favor.

Exactly!!!!!!


Like the wise man said ... If the Earth dies, you die. If you die, the Earth survives.

 

[JEDI]

However show me the minority who realize we'll populate other solar systems and I'll show you idiots.
We'll never get spacecraft to go fast enough to make it happen. Partly because as you approach the speed of light your craft gets heavier and heavier. And even light is too dang slow. And what's the point? When we get there we aren't going to find a Disneyland.

ION drives ftw?
build the spaceship in outer space.

populate titan or uranus

 

[IronWing]

Uranus is already pretty crowded.

 

[highland145]

Uranus is already pretty crowded.

Cause the men are on Mars and the womenz are making sammiches out of the moon, from Venus. Gotta love the USPS.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Uranus is already pretty crowded.

You can always expand it bigger by adding more structures to it, it's an interesting property of Uranus.

 

[highland145]

You can always expand it bigger by adding more structures to it, it's an interesting property of Uranus.

Don't tell.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Exactly!!!!!!
Like the wise man said ... If the Earth dies, you die. If you die, the Earth survives.

What good is a dead wise man? And just because humans were removed from the picture wouldn't prohibit other disasters from happening to the Earth.

 

[BarkingGhostar]

Most thought, but maybe a few were smarter and realized it wasn't flat. However show me the minority who realize we'll populate other solar systems and I'll show you idiots. We'll never get spacecraft to go fast enough to make it happen. Partly because as you approach the speed of light your craft gets heavier and heavier. And even light is too dang slow. And what's the point? When we get there we aren't going to find a Disneyland.

You are not looking at human history on a species level. Considering how far humans have come in the last two hundred years compared to the last two hundred thousand years is amazing. What makes you think that two hundred thousand years from now it will be bleak? It might, but never underestimate humans as a successful virus.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

We need to plant swamp forests and keep the bozos away from them long enough for the trees to die and be buried. We could have a new Carboniferous age!

Not possible. The reason that stuff ended up in the ground was because no fungi during that era could eat tree bark. Trees filled valleys actual miles deep, then got drug underground by shifting plates. Won't happen again on this planet unless plants evolve something else that fungi can't eat.

 

[JEDI]

What good is a dead wise man? And just because humans were removed from the picture wouldn't prohibit other disasters from happening to the Earth.

dinosaurs would still be alive if it werent for humans.
And yes, humans were present at the time of Dinos.
Fred Flintstone is proof:

 

[Muse]

You are not looking at human history on a species level. Considering how far humans have come in the last two hundred years compared to the last two hundred thousand years is amazing. What makes you think that two hundred thousand years from now it will be bleak? It might, but never underestimate humans as a successful virus.

Not being able to populate other solar systems isn't a bleak outcome for the human race. We could be quite happy here if we can save the place.

 

[JEDI]

Not possible. The reason that stuff ended up in the ground was because no fungi during that era could eat tree bark.
Trees filled valleys actual miles deep, then got drug underground by shifting plates. Won't happen again on this planet unless plants evolve something else that fungi can't eat.

Whats does trees buried for millions of years do?

 

[IronWing]

Whats does trees buried for millions of years do?

Sequesters carbon.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Whats does trees buried for millions of years do?

Turn into coal, mostly. We can't really make the burnt coal turn back into brick form very easily, or at least not at the scale we need.

 

[Muse]

Turn into coal, mostly. We can't really make the burnt coal turn back into brick form very easily, or at least not at the scale we need.

I had a conversation yesterday with Alex Carlin, which I'm going to broadcast on my radio show on Oct. 13. He's a musician, something of a climate expert (10+ years of investigation and activity). His self directed and edited documentary Alex in Russialand has won awards and has showings this month in the USA (US debut was Friday at Grauman's Chinese in Hollywood). Alex is optimistic about the climate, claims that the narrative about CO2 is fine insofar as controlling emissions, but CO2 removal is necessary to bring down global temperatures, all true, of course. He says oceans are key. He believes it will become clear very soon. He's written several articles concerning GW:

Alex Carlin, Author at EXPOSEDbyCMD

www.exposedbycmd.org

After attending showings of his documentary this month in the US he heads back to Europe to present at a climate conference in November.

Edit: There will be a showing of Alex in Russialand on Monday, Oct. 18 at 7PM at San Francisco's iconic Roxie Theater in the Mission District:

ALEX IN RUSSIALAND

This screening will be followed by a musical performance by Alex Carlin Alex Carlin is not Borat. He is a real person, and this is really his life. For seven years, Alex and his rock band have been…

www.roxie.com

There will be another screening in Las Vegas on Oct. 29, from Alex Carlin:

"Alex In Russialand" will be at the Silver State Film Festival on Friday October 29, 2021, at the Orleans Hotel and Casino
4500 West Tropicana Blvd, Las Vegas, Nevada

 

[SaltyNuts]

I had a conversation yesterday with Alex Carlin, which I'm going to broadcast on my radio show on Oct. 13. He's a musician, something of a climate expert (10 years of investigation and activity). His self directed and edited documentary Alex in Russialand has won awards and has showings this month in the USA (US debut was Friday at Grauman's Chinese in Hollywood). Alex is optimistic about the climate, claims that the narrative about CO2 is fine insofar as controlling emissions, but CO2 removal is necessary to bring down global temperatures, all true, of course. He says oceans are key. He believes it will become clear very soon. He's written several articles concerning GW:

Alex Carlin, Author at EXPOSEDbyCMD

www.exposedbycmd.org

After attending showings of his documentary this month in the US he heads back to Europe to present at a climate conference in November.

I seem to remember that algae and stuff in the ocean sucks up way more CO2 and stuff than plants and trees on land and what not, could be wrong though.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

You are not looking at human history on a species level. Considering how far humans have come in the last two hundred years compared to the last two hundred thousand years is amazing. What makes you think that two hundred thousand years from now it will be bleak? It might, but never underestimate humans as a successful virus.

Considering how far humans have fallen in the last two hundred years compared to the last two hundred thousand years is amazing.

I don't expect the Human Plague to exist a thousand years from now. If we don't wipe ourselves out, Nature will.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

He says oceans are key.

I'd be curious what he means by this, the oceans are already very quickly approaching a tipping point that will create a widespread acidification event which could easily destroy most complex life on our planet.

I seem to remember that algae and stuff in the ocean sucks up way more CO2 and stuff than plants and trees on land and what not, could be wrong though.

It does, but everything has it's limits, and we're testing them as is.

 

[Muse]

I'd be curious what he means by this, the oceans are already very quickly approaching a tipping point that will create a widespread acidification event which could easily destroy most complex life on our planet.

Read his articles. Start with

Misconceptions Shouldn’t Hold Up Key Climate Solution - EXPOSEDbyCMD

Ocean Pasture Restoration offers a nature-based strategy to avoid climate ruin.

www.exposedbycmd.org

The beginning of Alex Carlin's article linked in this post:

August 5th, 2021

Nobody wants people to dump toxic waste into the oceans. But tragically, the very same natural micronutrients that are the most crucial for the oceans to be healthy and generate climate-restoring photosynthesis have been mislabeled by some as “toxic.”

This is a big mistake, as perhaps our best chance to properly manage the climate crisis is centered on the unique capacity of the oceans, when healthy, to generate the photosynthesis that can remove the ruinous 1 trillion tons of extra CO2 that we have put into the atmosphere.

After 12 years of investigative climate journalism, I have come to believe that Ocean Pasture Restoration, OPR, offers a uniquely realistic path to avoid climate ruin. OPR is a nature-based strategy to bring the oceans’ capacity for photosynthesis back to its historical norms in order to draw down enough CO2 from the atmosphere to give us a real chance to survive.

Nothing else comes close in terms of feasibility and practical ability to lower the damage of the CO2-caused greenhouse effect down to a liveable level. And, rather than requiring trillions of dollars from governments and donors, it can actually create profits in various enterprises including restored fisheries on a local level. It’s fast, cheap and safe — and we have no decent alternative solutions.

 

[Muse]

BTW, you can hear the interview between myself and Alex Carlin by tuning into KALX, Berkeley, 90.7 FM or stream it on Wednesday, Oct. 13. My show starts at 3:00PM, and I cue up the 37 minute interview at about 5:22PM, all times PDT.