The “Order of 10”

[AdamK47]

I (kind of) get the 5960x to 6950x upgrade, but you have 4 Titan Xs and if you replace those with 4 1080 cards you'd get a performance decrease, no? If only you were right, and the Titan X successor would be released then 🙁

I posted earlier in this thread and sometimes I think people make a big deal about the name - all I was excited to see beyond the initial page was the timer. It's a countdown, plain and simple, and is more than what Nvidia's competitor is offering. So when that countdown hits 0 I'm expecting a major reveal, and no more 'teasing'.

The 980 edged the original Titan by a small margin in terms of performance. It bested it by great margins in terms of performance per watt. I replaced four original Titans with four 980s. I then replaced the 980s with four Titan X cards on release.

 

[Silverforce11]

The 980 edged the original Titan by a small margin in terms of performance. It bested it by great margins in terms of performance per watt. I replaced four original Titans with four 980s. I then replaced the 980s with four Titan X cards on release.

1080 should best Titan X easy. You should prepare your rig for 4x 1080.

 

[Arachnotronic]

1080 should best Titan X easy. You should prepare your rig for 4x 1080.

Agreed. Even if 1080 were a die-shrunken GM200, it would do better by virtue of being able to clock higher w/o hitting power limits. My Titan X's were overclocking duds which is why I dumped them in favor of a pair of 980 Tis.

 

[Maverick177]

Technically Pascal already launched with Tesla. AMD's road map showed Vega in 2017

Technically, AMD created HBM so VEGA is way ahead of what Pascal will ever be.

 

[raghu78]

If you announce a product May 6th and it's not on sale until May 31st-June XX, that's a Paper Launch. HardOCP slammed AMD over and over for this. If they don't write same articles about Pascal paper launching this week, it's a double standard and would be more proof that they are not impartial.

hardocp is a joke of a site. they have been literally marketing Nvidia hardware for the past 18 months.

No doubt, you have to be miles ahead in marketing when you try to sell GTX560Ti lineage successor mid-range die 680 for $500, then raise it again to $550 with 980, and then keep going with mid-range Pascal (offering sub-400GB/sec midrange card at flagship prices while having designed a 700-1000GB/sec HBM2 as the real flagship). Then use this brilliant marketing strategy to get the same people to upgrade yet again to Big Pascal in the same generation.

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Hopefully NV doesn't artificially neuter 1070 too much, resulting in a 20-25% performance delta with a 1080. If they do, it will be akin to taking a 1060Ti, renaming it 1070, and jacking up the price from 660Ti's $299. I am just putting that out there now given that NV didn't even bother giving 1070 legit next gen memory. Big red flag to me right now.

RS GDDR5X production volumes are going to be low as its just now beginning to ramp. Moreover GDDR5X is going to be expensive. So it makes sense to use it on the flagship alone and clearly give a nice performance advantage which would allow Nvidia to sell the flagship at a significantly higher price with better margins. For eg:

GTX 1080 (GDDR5X)- USD 649
GTX 1070 (GDDR5) - USD 449
GTX 1060 Ti (GDDR5) - USD 349

I think AMD Polaris 10 might also have a flagship GDDR5X SKU priced closer to GTX 1070.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

God a $450 1070 with GDDR5 sounds shitty.

 

[R0H1T]

God a $450 1070 with GDDR5 sounds shitty.

Well yes, that's unless the 1070 beats Fury X, it sounds real bad value but the 1080 is also an unknown quantity. IMO there shouldn't be a 20~30% gap between the two but the GDDR5x makes it (almost) certain that the 1080 will always have a huge advantage, perhaps intentionally so, just because of its higher bandwidth & the 1070 will not be able to match it even with an insane OC.

 

[Silverforce11]

Well yes, that's unless the 1070 beats Fury X, it sounds real bad value but the 1080 is also an unknown quantity. IMO there shouldn't be a 20~30% gap between the two but the GDDR5x makes it (almost) certain that the 1080 will always have a huge advantage, perhaps intentionally so, just because of its higher bandwidth & the 1070 will not be able to match it even with an insane OC.

Fury X isn't that much faster than a 390X at 1080 and 1440p.

A great deal is getting last-gen's top-end, aka 980Ti/Titan X, at mid-range prices, ie. $339.

If a 1070 is ~= 980Ti and it's $449, it's a MEH deal. Good for NV profits, very MEH for gamers.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

A great deal is getting last-gen's top-end, aka 980Ti/Titan X, at mid-range prices, ie. $339.

Do you think that's realistic? When GM204 came out I recall seeing the 780 Ti drop as low as $400 very briefly, but that's competing against a $330 970.

 

[Kris194]

Fury X isn't that much faster than a 390X at 1080 and 1440p.

A great deal is getting last-gen's top-end, aka 980Ti/Titan X, at mid-range prices, ie. $339.

If a 1070 is ~= 980Ti and it's $449, it's a MEH deal. Good for NV profits, very MEH for gamers.

I don't think that Nvidia would be so stupid. Price of the GTX 1070 should be between 349 - 399$ and we will find out what the price is in 62h 😉

 

[badb0y]

Hmm, gotta check the performance before I commit. It has to be at least 20% faster for me to consider it because I have to breakdown my loop just to change GPUs.

 

[Zanovar]

20% sweet jesus.they love you😛

 

[Sonikku]

The 980 edged the original Titan by a small margin in terms of performance. It bested it by great margins in terms of performance per watt. I replaced four original Titans with four 980s. I then replaced the 980s with four Titan X cards on release.

I wish I had your GPU budget. :'( (Running 7770 atm)

 

[R0H1T]

20% sweet jesus.they love you 😛

I'm sure they love you just as much 😀

$449 for 1070 is setting the bar a bit too high, it largely depends on where the 1080 lands & whether GDDR5x trickles down to anything lower in the GPU stack.

 

[Zanovar]

I'm sure they love you just as much 😀

$449 for 1070 is setting the bar a bit too high, it largely depends on where the 1080 lands & whether GDDR5x trickles down to anything lower in the GPU stack.

449 where has that come from?.*laughs*.a guess from you?.possible i guess.

 

[R0H1T]

449 where has that come from?.*laughs*.a guess from you?.possible i guess.

Just have a glance at some of the posts above, this is all pure speculation at this point in time but one thing I'm sure of is that if Nvidia can charge $449, for the 1070, & still move reasonable volumes, they absolutely will do that.

 

[Zanovar]

Just have a glance at some of the posts above, this is all pure speculation at this point in time but one thing I'm sure of is that if Nvidia can charge $449, for the 1070, & still move reasonable volumes, they absolutely will do that.

Probably.Shitloads.

 

[xpea]

RS GDDR5X production volumes are going to be low as its just now beginning to ramp. Moreover GDDR5X is going to be expensive. So it makes sense to use it on the flagship alone and clearly give a nice performance advantage which would allow Nvidia to sell the flagship at a significantly higher price with better margins. For eg:

GTX 1080 (GDDR5X)- USD 649
GTX 1070 (GDDR5) - USD 449
GTX 1060 Ti (GDDR5) - USD 349

I think AMD Polaris 10 might also have a flagship GDDR5X SKU priced closer to GTX 1070.

so GDDR5X is expensive for Nvidia and cheap for AMD 😵
distortion of reality aside, IMHO, both AMD and Nvidia will pay GDDR5X at similar price level (surely few percents cheaper for Nvidia, thanks to their much higher purchasing quantity). And availability shouldn't be an issue, because GDDR5X is a small evolution of a very mature tech.
One thing possible to consider, as Nvidia is the lead Micron customer for GDDR5X, they may secure all initial production to avoid AMD getting some for few months (very standard strategy in this market).
The final (and important for us customers) question is how much profit Nvidia wants for GTX1080 GDDR5X, as it will be the new kind of the hill for the time being. And knowing the green team, the answer will probably hurt our wallets...

 

[xpea]

Just have a glance at some of the posts above, this is all pure speculation at this point in time but one thing I'm sure of is that if Nvidia can charge $449, for the 1070, & still move reasonable volumes, they absolutely will do that.

Knowing that Nvidia will probably loose a chuck of the mainstream market to Polaris 11, they won't be wise to charge too much for 1070 and loose this very important segment too to Polaris 10. So I was JHH, I will do everything to win the 300~350 price bracket. Same GTX970 strategy that made this model the most popular gaming card of the generation...

 

[USER8000]

so GDDR5X is expensive for Nvidia and cheap for AMD 😵

Or maybe because one chip is 232mm2 and the other is around 320mm2?? That would make the GP104 around 40% larger than the Polaris 10 chip. Have you forgotten the HD4870??

 

[DarkKnightDude]

So its official? They're really calling it the 1070 and 1080?

 

[xpea]

Or maybe because one chip is 232mm2 and the other is around 320mm2?? That would make the GP104 around 40% larger than the Polaris 10 chip. Have you forgotten the HD4870??

Die price difference I agree, even if some say that defect rate with Samsung 14nm is higher than TSMC 16nm

 

[sm625]

980ti came out one year ago. If 1070 = 980ti then this represents a huge undercut of their own products which are no doubt still selling well. What is the largest discount Nvidia has ever offered to undercut their own card that has been on the market for 12 months? I think either the 1070 = 980 for $300, or the 1070 = 980ti for $450. Or it scales somewhere inbetween. I doubt they are going to offer anything more reasonable in terms of value. Why should they?

 

[SteveGrabowski]

980ti came out one year ago. If 1070 = 980ti then this represents a huge undercut of their own products which are no doubt still selling well. What is the largest discount Nvidia has ever offered to undercut their own card that has been on the market for 12 months? I think either the 1070 = 980 for $300, or the 1070 = 980ti for $450. Or it scales somewhere inbetween. I doubt they are going to offer anything more reasonable in terms of value. Why should they?

They're not selling the 980 Ti anymore to AIBs, so why would they be worried about undercutting it?

 

[thilanliyan]

980ti came out one year ago. If 1070 = 980ti then this represents a huge undercut of their own products which are no doubt still selling well. What is the largest discount Nvidia has ever offered to undercut their own card that has been on the market for 12 months? I think either the 1070 = 980 for $300, or the 1070 = 980ti for $450. Or it scales somewhere inbetween. I doubt they are going to offer anything more reasonable in terms of value. Why should they?

Didn't the 8800GT undercut the 8800GTX by quite a bit?