That pesky Constitution

[APU_Fusion]

You realize the GOP led house uses investigations as a way to stir the base and smear their opponents? You can investigate infinitely, never find anything and just say oh but we're investigating. What did the Benghazi investigation yield?

You keep speculating about illicit Biden dealings with Ukraine but have yet to give one shred of evidence. You have yet to even give one clear accusation such as Biden paid x for x services and that is bad or Biden gave them x in return for x. You just keep speculating there was something there with vague assertions of quid pro quo activities without actually stating what the quids and pros are...if Biden broke the law so openly, why aren't Republican attorney generals like Ken Paxton nailing him? Why isn't desantis sending the Florida federal attorney generals to come after Biden? They have every reason to do so...

Felix may deny it but he is voting for the crime boss because it makes his grifting of healthcare in ok. Get the other FELIX SCREAMS. He is sad and brainwashed.

 

[dank69]

I'm trying to figure something out, please let me know your thoughts. When he burst on the presidential scene he was the anti politician, an outsider, businessman, told his followers exactly what they wanted to hear. But he also brought lots of baggage with him.

So now the republicans candidates love his ideas, rules etc and they all want to emulate him. So why can't they leave him, move onto other candidates that will shout the same rhetoric without all the outside distractions?

Trump allows "not" Republicans to "not vote for a Republican" while voting for a Republican.

It's going be a bad deal if Trump wins. I think we might actually fall into complete chaos.

You say that like it's a bad thing. At least you won't be forced into a sex change.

 

[Sunburn74]

We must get to the bottom of Biden's dirty dealings.

Still not a shred of proof or even a direct straight forward accusation of a specific dirty action. You keep parroting tropes. Tell me why aren't Republican attorney generals trying to lock him up for whatever dirty dealings he's been involved in that violate US federal law?

 

[NWRMidnight]

We must get to the bottom of Biden's dirty dealings.

But this thread is about Trump. I think he is disqualified from holding office now.

What dirty dealings? Be specific. (suggestion: You might want to spend just a few minutes doing some research, so you don't start listing your handler's bullet point claims that have already been debunked, and/or have zero evidence supporting them other than manipulative, twisted made up bullshit you have been spoon fed by your handlers).

 

[FelixDeCat]

What dirty dealings? Be specific. (suggestion: You might want to spend just a few minutes doing some research, so you don't start listing your handler's bullet point claims that have already been debunked, and/or have zero evidence supporting them other than manipulative, twisted made up bullshit you have been spoon fed by your handlers).

I will refer you to the House investigation which has already exposed their dirty laundry with more to come.

And Hunter has already admitted guilt.

But again, let's talk about Trump not being qualified. What's your opinion on that?

 

[brycejones]

I will refer you to the House investigation which has already exposed their dirty laundry with more to come.

And Hunter has already admitted guilt.

But again, let's talk about Trump not being qualified. What's your opinion on that?

Again, we should totally remove Hunter Biden from any federal office he may hold. Of course when you're going on about Hunter you're attempting to implicate his father merely by association. It's telling that neither you nor the House investigation is able to accuse Joe Biden of anything specific supported by actual evidence.

 

[Meghan54]

I will refer you to the House investigation which has already exposed their dirty laundry with more to come.

And Hunter has already admitted guilt.

But again, let's talk about Trump not being qualified. What's your opinion on that?

So, you got nothing, in other words. That’s exactly what the House “investigation” has turned up…not a damned thing.

If you’ve got anything pls show us. Otherwise, just verbal diarrhea from you.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Again, we should totally remove Hunter Biden from any federal office he may hold. Of course when you're going on about Hunter you're attempting to implicate his father merely by association. It's telling that neither you nor the House investigation is able to accuse Joe Biden of anything specific supported by actual evidence.

So, you got nothing, in other words. That’s exactly what the House “investigation” has turned up…not a damned thing.

If you’ve got anything pls show us. Otherwise, just verbal diarrhea from you.

The 🍎 doesn't fall far from the tree. It's a truism that is quite apropos in my humble opinion.

But please, tell me your feelings on the Constitutional barr on Trumps reentry into the WH. I think he may need to be convicted so there is no question about it.

Of course he will likely appeal...

 

[brycejones]

The 🍎 doesn't fall far from the tree. It's a truism that is quite apropos in my humble opinion.

But please, tell me your feelings on the Constitutional barr on Trumps reentry into the WH. I think he may need to be convicted so there is no question about it.

Of course he will likely appeal...

So now that we've clearly established neither your nor the House GOP "investigators" have any evidence of wrong doing by Joe Biden I guess we can move on from that.

But yes if Trump is convicted in either the Georgia case, or the case directly tied to Jan 6th he should be barred from ever holding federal office again. In both cases he attempted to illegal undermine our democratic processes and subvert the will of the American people.

 

[FelixDeCat]

So now that we've clearly established neither your nor the House GOP "investigators" have any evidence of wrong doing by Joe Biden I guess we can move on from that.

But yes if Trump is convicted in either the Georgia case, or the case directly tied to Jan 6th he should be barred from ever holding federal office again. In both cases he attempted to illegal undermine our democratic processes and subvert the will of the American people.

Okay but if he appeals the decision and tries to be sworn in, what then? How do people stop him?

 

[brycejones]

Okay but if he appeals the decision and tries to be sworn in, what then? How do people stop him?

To be blunt people stop him by not voting for him in the first place. Like you should have done in 2016 and 2020.

 

[FelixDeCat]

To be blunt people stop him by not voting for him in the first place. Like you should have done in 2016 and 2020.

Yes yes, an obvious answer, but we are talking what ifs here.

Will it be a Constitutional crises?

 

[brycejones]

Yes yes, an obvious answer, but we are talking what ifs here.

Will it be a Constitutional crises?

Of course it will be because Republicans have refused to act like adults.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Of course it will be because Republicans have refused to act like adults.

And the Democrats have not? If Trump wins it will be because you guys dropped the ball.

Then we have to deal with what will happen. Will he wind up spending 4 years in office "on appeal"?

 

[BoomerD]

The blue states will leave him off the ballot...not sure how they will deal with potential write-ins.

 

[IronWing]

And the Democrats have not? If Trump wins it will be because you guys dropped the ball.

Fuck off, traitor. You voted for Trump. His presidency is your fault. In 2016, you already knew he was a shitbag. In 2020, when you voted for Trump, you already knew that he was a treasonous shitbag. You voted for him anyway, Because… you're a traitor.

 

[fskimospy]

And the Democrats have not? If Trump wins it will be because you guys dropped the ball.

Then we have to deal with what will happen. Will he wind up spending 4 years in office "on appeal"?

This happens all the time where Republicans blame Democrats for Republicans’ choices. What’s funny is basically Republicans are admitting their choices are bad but they don’t have enough personal responsibility to stand up for them.

If Trump is elected again the entire fault of that is those who voted for him, just like in 2016. It’s sad that conservatives can’t take personal responsibility.

 

[brycejones]

And the Democrats have not? If Trump wins it will be because you guys dropped the ball.

Then we have to deal with what will happen. Will he wind up spending 4 years in office "on appeal"?

Republican have to own their choices like fucking adults do.

If he wins the GOP primary it certainly won’t be because democrats.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I will refer you to the House investigation which has already exposed their dirty laundry with more to come.

And Hunter has already admitted guilt.

But again, let's talk about Trump not being qualified. What's your opinion on that?

Dirty laundry on who? Hunter? What does he have anything of any importance with this country, it's government, and/or the citizens? He has never held a government position, not in the past, not now, and not in the future. Hunter Biden is equivalent, and as important as any unknown criminal you randomly point at.

You like to use the term Biden's loosely to imply Joe, but every time anyone confronts to you or anyone in your party, you jump to Hunter, because there is zero evidence of any connection between Hunter's actions and Joe Biden's. I told you to do some research, before you answered, so you didn't throw up your handler's talking points.. you obviously ignored that suggestion. Which is why you have jumped straight to their talking points which is Hunter's crimes, which has NOTHING to do with Joe Biden, the government, this country, or the topic of qualifications of any one running for office, which includes Trump.

As for Trump's qualifications.. he's automatically disqualified under the 14th amendment.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Okay but if he appeals the decision and tries to be sworn in, what then? How do people stop him?

The minute his name is on a ballot anywhere in the country, it should be taken the court and have him removed from all Ballots, as he cannot run for any office under the 14th amendment. The only way it can be Constitutionally legal for him to be on any ballot is if Congress votes 2/3 majority that the 14th amendment disqualification is removed.

 

[pmv]

The minute his name is on a ballot anywhere in the country, it should be taken the court and have him removed from all Ballots, as he cannot run for any office under the 14th amendment. The only way it can be Constitutionally legal for him to be on any ballot is if Congress votes 2/3 majority that the 14th amendment disqualification is removed.

Does "ballot" include the Republican primary? If not, what happens if he's the sole Republican candidate, and then, as you suggest, he's removed from the ballot, leaving Biden to run unopposed? I can't imagine that turning out well.

The world seems full of potential disasters at the moment, everything seems to be in a state of "waiting for the other shoe to drop". Covid is still out there and still mutating, inflation and recession are still stalking the globe, the Ukraine war looks like dragging on for some time yet, and, while Trumppagddeon could still fizzle out, it might yet become a horrendous crisis. This really is a stressful era.

 

[MrSquished]

Unless the Dems regain control of the House...and retain control of the Senate, getting Biden re-elected (or whomever in his stead) won't matter much. The (R)s have shown numerous times their willingness to grind government to a halt to get their way...or at least to stop Dems from passing anything.

Exactly. This is why just going with Biden again, whose numbers are terrible for an incumbent and is one of the most uninspiring candidates to most of the public, including those in his party, and especially for driving turnout amongst the younger, can easily turn out to be a big mistake.

Sure Biden might beat Trump, but it doesn't matter much without enough control of Congress.

You need a candidate to drive massive turnout. A lot of people won't see Trump as a threat if his numbers are so bad and they won't go out and vote. They need to be inspired to go out and vote anyway. Down ballot races are crucial in this race, Not just beating Trump or the Republican nominee.

I don't think Biden was a smart choice for that reason.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Does "ballot" include the Republican primary? If not, what happens if he's the sole Republican candidate, and then, as you suggest, he's removed from the ballot, leaving Biden to run unopposed? I can't imagine that turning out well.

The world seems full of potential disasters at the moment, everything seems to be in a state of "waiting for the other shoe to drop". Covid is still out there and still mutating, inflation and recession are still stalking the globe, the Ukraine war looks like dragging on for some time yet, and, while Trumppagddeon could still fizzle out, it might yet become a horrendous crisis. This really is a stressful era.

Scary times ahead. I just hope someone other than Trump gets the nomination so we can send Joe back to Delaware.

 

[BoomerD]

Exactly. This is why just going with Biden again, whose numbers are terrible for an incumbent and is one of the most uninspiring candidates to most of the public, including those in his party, and especially for driving turnout amongst the younger, can easily turn out to be a big mistake.

Sure Biden might beat Trump, but it doesn't matter much without enough control of Congress.

You need a candidate to drive massive turnout. A lot of people won't see Trump as a threat if his numbers are so bad and they won't go out and vote. They need to be inspired to go out and vote anyway. Down ballot races are crucial in this race, Not just beating Trump or the Republican nominee.

I don't think Biden was a smart choice for that reason.

What other options are there? I'm a life-long Democrat, but I'm NOT a liberal. Candidates who are too far left aren't appealing to me.

 

[IronWing]

What other options are there? I'm a life-long Democrat, but I'm NOT a liberal. Candidates who are too far left aren't appealing to me.

The Democratic Party is far to the right of where the Republican Party was in the 1970s. There are very few liberals in the Democratic Party.