No way,
I am so hoping for a Mitt Romney/whomever ticket for the repubs in 08....McCain and Giuliani wouldn't be a winning ticket IMHO.
I don't think McCain wants it bad enough. He's too laid back. I like Giuliani's positive enthusiasm. I would vote for him.
I think this thread shows the democrats waivering thoughts. Just yesterday morning people were taking up for Kerry regardless of what he did. His flip flopping wasn't an issue, his extreme leftist views discussion only returned "neocon" references, and people were spewing and celebrating over the exit polls. Yesterday morning, Kerry could do no wrong.
Now, their candidate loses and he is immediately a horrible candidate.... the democrats need to do some soul searching and figure out what they do believe in and what they don't...
Now, their candidate loses and he is immediately a horrible candidate.... the democrats need to do some soul searching and figure out what they do believe in and what they don't...
That is no excuse. You either agree with him or you don't. I don't think it is right for the democrats to sit here and bash him for his faults when you were overlooking them and didn't care about them yesterday. If this same mentality sticks, it will be al ong time before we see another Democrat as President.
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Politics is all about money. Donations will go to the Reps in 2008 even more because that is what worked the last two times. I think the Reps could put a turd in a toilet and get it elected. Come to think of it, they just did 
Bowfinger
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The problem is your premise is not true. People have been pretty open about their reservations about Kerry. In a poll I did, about 75% of the people here indicated they had signifincant issues with their candidate of choice; almost half admitted they were voting against the other guy more than voting for their candidate. Yes, some people were die-hard Kerry fans, just as some are devoted Bush worshippers. That is not the case for most here, however.
(Edit: Here is the poll.)
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I don't care if another Democrat wins as long as the Republican in Office isn't an incompetent wingnut like the Dub who panders to the Rdiculous..err..Religious Right and misled us into supporting ill advised and ill planned war in Iraq. Hell maybe if the Democrats become weaker the Republicans will move to the Center instead of the Far Right.
In every thread I looked at in regards to Kerry, there were always people defending him on any issue. When people brought up issues about his "flip-flopping" people would make excuses for him left and right. When people brought up issues about moral values, Kerry could do or say anything, and large portion of the Democrats here would come to his defense. I must agree, that they originally had said "Anybody but Bush" but that mentality didn't settle well. So they quickly changed it to "I like Kerry okay, he has some issues, but he's definitely better than Bush." Now, it is, "Wow, Kerry was a horrible candidate. I don't agree with him on his extreme point of views"
Yesterday, this whole situation was different. If people were acting this way yesterday, it would have been a landslide in Bush's favor rather than the actual fairly close race that it really was. There were primary's, certainly a lot of issues could have been delt with to get them a candidate in there they DO agree with.
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
True that! I guess they figured that the Americans would have realized what an incompetent President the Dub was. I guess they figured wrong
Sounds about right.
Here's how I see this equation.
Bush proved his "clow-dom" to me (us?), at the highest level, through 3 plus years of a dissmal administration.
In my mind, I had a responsability to not perpetuate, and certainly not reward such clown-dom. Even if the alternative was/is another clown.
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I acknowledge there is validity in what you're saying. From my perspective, however, the most vocal defense of Kerry arose because he was being attacked with disinformation. For example, I defended Kerry against the Swift Boat Liars not because I thought Kerry's purple hearts made him some superhero, but because their vile claims were blatant lies. Pointing out that Kerry's Vietnam service was no more remarkable than tens of thousands of others is reasonable. Calling him a baby-killer and war criminal is not.
On the flip side, people with significant reservartions about Bush would be quite vocal in defending him against claims he masterminded the 9/11 attacks or approved them. It doesn't mean they think Bush is perfect. It just means they think the charge is ridiculous.
Does that make sense? On both sides of the fence, it is easy and natural to stage an energetic defense against extremist claims. You don't find out about people's reservations, their gray areas, until you engage in more thoughtful discussion.
Good post. I see your point Bowfinger. I just don't like it when people are willing to fight for someone tooth and nail on EVERY issue. I think a lot of people were that way. I expected to come to this forum and see a lot of disappointed people. On that sameh and, I did not expect to see people that I have argued with for the last couple of months talk about how terrible Kerry was as a candidate for President. I just feel it is a bit two-faced.
On that same note, I don't think anyone would say their candidate of choice was 100% right all the time or hasn't made stupid decisions at one point in their lifetime. But I already knew what I was going to say when I came here if Bush lost yesterday. And it certainly wasn't a post that degraded what I felt Bush has done for the country in the last 4 years.
There is a difference in saying, "Well, Kerry lost, I really like him and voted for him, but it came down to moral issues and that isn't something that Kerry could gain momentum in with the rest of the country."
and..
"Well, Kerry lost, he sucked as a candidate, he was to extreme."
On that same note, I don't think anyone would say their candidate of choice was 100% right all the time or hasn't made stupid decisions at one point in their lifetime. But I already knew what I was going to say when I came here if Bush lost yesterday. And it certainly wasn't a post that degraded what I felt Bush has done for the country in the last 4 years.
There is a difference in saying, "Well, Kerry lost, I really like him and voted for him, but it came down to moral issues and that isn't something that Kerry could gain momentum in with the rest of the country."
and..
"Well, Kerry lost, he sucked as a candidate, he was to extreme."
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Agreed. I voted for Badnarik just for the hell of it, I knew my state was giving their numbers to Bush, and I couoldn't bring myself to vote for Kerry (or Bush either).
Like someone said, I may have "thrown my vote away," but I didn't feel dirty for voting for Bush/Kerry (Satan1/Satan2).
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