Texas school district letting teachers carry guns

[CrazyLazy]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

See my post above.

I won't die if I get hit with a book. I am more concerned with teachers threatening their students with guns/tasers. A teacher threatening a student with a textbook would be laughable, but with if they did it with a gun it's serious business. If anyone tried to get the teacher in trouble for doing threatening them it would be a students word vs. a teachers.

I purpose if you give the teachers guns the students should get guns, or at least tasers to keep a level playing field.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

See my post above.

I won't die if I get hit with a book. I am more concerned with teachers threatening their students with guns/tasers. A teacher threatening a student with a textbook would be laughable, but with if they did it with a gun it's serious business. If anyone tried to get the teacher in trouble for doing threatening them it would be a students word vs. a teachers.

I purpose if you give the teachers guns the students should get guns, or at least tasers to keep a level playing field.

You, sir, are gravely lacking intelligence.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

See my post above.

I won't die if I get hit with a book. I am more concerned with teachers threatening their students with guns/tasers. A teacher threatening a student with a textbook would be laughable, but with if they did it with a gun it's serious business. If anyone tried to get the teacher in trouble for doing threatening them it would be a students word vs. a teachers.

I purpose if you give the teachers guns the students should get guns, or at least tasers to keep a level playing field.

I?ll just quote myself since my argument still stands:

So what's keeping the teacher from throwing a text book, a desk, a chair or anything else in th classroom at the student? Most teachers could easily overpower and strangle a student, or if they were very young simply stomp them to death. Your argument is not based on logic but on a illogical and unfounded fear of fire arms.

 

[ScottyB]

Everything is bigger in Texas (except brains and dicks).

 

[marvdmartian]

Originally posted by: grrl

Originally posted by: CPA
Good! So OP, I'm wondering what your brilliant plan would be for the school to protect itself.

I realize wishing the problem didn't exist means nothing, but I don't see arming teachers as the solution. If weapons are a problem I'd suggest security guards and metal detectors as a start. The whole situation is just quite fucked up IMO.

Um, did you miss the part where they mention the student body for the ENTIRE SCHOOL DISTRICT is 110 students?? I mean, we're talking a SERIOUSLY small rural school district, out in the middle of nowhere, not an inner city school, ya know??

I doubt if you'll have more than 3-5 total faculty members carrying at any time. But just like concealed carry states have lower crime rates (I mean, who's going to walk into a place to rob it, when the guy over there buying a coke might be carrying a bigger gun than you are??), this school will likely never have any problems, just because anyone who's considering a shooting there will think twice, and remember that there might be someone shooting back at them.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Everything is bigger in Texas (except brains and dicks).

Texas has a population of 23,904,380. It would take a complete idiot to apply a stereotype to all of them, I see that didn't stop you from trying though.

 

[CrazyLazy]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

See my post above.

I won't die if I get hit with a book. I am more concerned with teachers threatening their students with guns/tasers. A teacher threatening a student with a textbook would be laughable, but with if they did it with a gun it's serious business. If anyone tried to get the teacher in trouble for doing threatening them it would be a students word vs. a teachers.

I purpose if you give the teachers guns the students should get guns, or at least tasers to keep a level playing field.

I?ll just quote myself since my argument still stands:

So what's keeping the teacher from throwing a text book, a desk, a chair or anything else in th classroom at the student? Most teachers could easily overpower and strangle a student, or if they were very young simply stomp them to death. Your argument is not based on logic but on a illogical and unfounded fear of fire arms.

Guns are totally different. With a gun the teacher just pulls the trigger and bang the student is dead. For a teacher to strangle me it would take them several minutes to try to overpower and kill me, and the majority of teachers at the school I attend would not be strong enough to kill me. Even if the teacher is strong enough in a classroom setting I would likely have other students rushing to my defense to prevent my death. The bottom line is giving teachers guns would result in more deaths than saved lives.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: ScottyB
Everything is bigger in Texas (except brains and dicks).

Texas has a population of 23,904,380. It would take a complete idiot to apply a stereotype to all of them, I see that didn't stop you from trying though.

It wasn't a stereotype. It was a joke. Lighten up.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: JLee
They're actually taking the initiative to solve the problem before it happens. If more people would think like this, rather than waiting for someone to get killed before they do anything, this world would be a better place.

You're asking too much of both liberals the federal government.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

See my post above.

I won't die if I get hit with a book. I am more concerned with teachers threatening their students with guns/tasers. A teacher threatening a student with a textbook would be laughable, but with if they did it with a gun it's serious business. If anyone tried to get the teacher in trouble for doing threatening them it would be a students word vs. a teachers.

I purpose if you give the teachers guns the students should get guns, or at least tasers to keep a level playing field.

I?ll just quote myself since my argument still stands:

So what's keeping the teacher from throwing a text book, a desk, a chair or anything else in th classroom at the student? Most teachers could easily overpower and strangle a student, or if they were very young simply stomp them to death. Your argument is not based on logic but on a illogical and unfounded fear of fire arms.

Guns are totally different. With a gun the teacher just pulls the trigger and bang the student is dead. For a teacher to strangle me it would take them several minutes to try to overpower and kill me, and the majority of teachers at the school I attend would not be strong enough to kill me. Even if the teacher is strong enough in a classroom setting I would likely have other students rushing to my defense to prevent my death. The bottom line is giving teachers guns would result in more deaths than saved lives.

Prove it.

The facts are people have been killing each other long before guns were invented and there are plenty of ways for a teacher to harm or kill a student without involving a fire arm if they were so inclined.

Also, you make an assumption that all gun shot wounds are fatal, which isn't true. Being stabbed in the neck with a butter knife can be fatal. Are you going to ban teachers from having butter knives?

Get a new argument, your's doesn't work.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

See my post above.

I won't die if I get hit with a book. I am more concerned with teachers threatening their students with guns/tasers. A teacher threatening a student with a textbook would be laughable, but with if they did it with a gun it's serious business. If anyone tried to get the teacher in trouble for doing threatening them it would be a students word vs. a teachers.

I purpose if you give the teachers guns the students should get guns, or at least tasers to keep a level playing field.

I?ll just quote myself since my argument still stands:

So what's keeping the teacher from throwing a text book, a desk, a chair or anything else in th classroom at the student? Most teachers could easily overpower and strangle a student, or if they were very young simply stomp them to death. Your argument is not based on logic but on a illogical and unfounded fear of fire arms.

Guns are totally different. With a gun the teacher just pulls the trigger and bang the student is dead. For a teacher to strangle me it would take them several minutes to try to overpower and kill me, and the majority of teachers at the school I attend would not be strong enough to kill me. Even if the teacher is strong enough in a classroom setting I would likely have other students rushing to my defense to prevent my death. The bottom line is giving teachers guns would result in more deaths than saved lives.

Just like giving states concealed carry rights resulted in..oh, yeah. Not in more deaths.

Funny, isn't it?

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: jamesbond007
I really don't have a problem with it as long as it's concealed and out of view/out of mind of students. The last thing students need is the constant reminder of what some societies in this world have come to. Whatever happend to something like martial arts training instead? If the mailman in the forementioned example of being robbed knew how to disarm or perhaps create a distraction to get away, I doubt he'd have a gun today. Instead, I'd be it'd be a renewed subscription to a local martial arts training class. 😛

I think guns can only add fuel to the fire; both the good and the bad. I say that because sure, a teacher could use it for self defense. However, I do know teachers in my past (and I'm sure there's many more out there) where students will do their best to push teachers to the edge. If a teacher, any teacher, pulled a gun on a student for making a ruckus, that'll be the end of this story. 🙂

right, because karate chops can stop bullets :roll:

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

See my post above.

I won't die if I get hit with a book. I am more concerned with teachers threatening their students with guns/tasers. A teacher threatening a student with a textbook would be laughable, but with if they did it with a gun it's serious business. If anyone tried to get the teacher in trouble for doing threatening them it would be a students word vs. a teachers.

I purpose if you give the teachers guns the students should get guns, or at least tasers to keep a level playing field.

I?ll just quote myself since my argument still stands:

So what's keeping the teacher from throwing a text book, a desk, a chair or anything else in th classroom at the student? Most teachers could easily overpower and strangle a student, or if they were very young simply stomp them to death. Your argument is not based on logic but on a illogical and unfounded fear of fire arms.

Guns are totally different. With a gun the teacher just pulls the trigger and bang the student is dead. For a teacher to strangle me it would take them several minutes to try to overpower and kill me, and the majority of teachers at the school I attend would not be strong enough to kill me. Even if the teacher is strong enough in a classroom setting I would likely have other students rushing to my defense to prevent my death. The bottom line is giving teachers guns would result in more deaths than saved lives.

What???? Your argument has no real life facts to back it up.

People with concealed carry permits statistically NEVER commit gun crimes. Even more absurd is, if a teacher would actually pull out a gun and shoot a student what in the world makes you think they would abide by the gun law banning guns from the school?

They are willing to commit murder but violating the "no gun zone" is going too far??

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Originally posted by: Pale Rider

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

See my post above.

I won't die if I get hit with a book. I am more concerned with teachers threatening their students with guns/tasers. A teacher threatening a student with a textbook would be laughable, but with if they did it with a gun it's serious business. If anyone tried to get the teacher in trouble for doing threatening them it would be a students word vs. a teachers.

I purpose if you give the teachers guns the students should get guns, or at least tasers to keep a level playing field.

I?ll just quote myself since my argument still stands:

So what's keeping the teacher from throwing a text book, a desk, a chair or anything else in th classroom at the student? Most teachers could easily overpower and strangle a student, or if they were very young simply stomp them to death. Your argument is not based on logic but on a illogical and unfounded fear of fire arms.

Guns are totally different. With a gun the teacher just pulls the trigger and bang the student is dead. For a teacher to strangle me it would take them several minutes to try to overpower and kill me, and the majority of teachers at the school I attend would not be strong enough to kill me. Even if the teacher is strong enough in a classroom setting I would likely have other students rushing to my defense to prevent my death. The bottom line is giving teachers guns would result in more deaths than saved lives.

i didn't realize that guns have these magical powers of turning their owners into homicidal maniacs overnight?

do you leave your house? are you scared that everyone that owns a car wants to run you over too?

 

[ICRS]

None of schools in my area are what I would call "gun free", seeing how we have police officers on each campus with guns.

 

[compman25]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: grrl
This is seriously messed up.

It's seriously messed up that Teachers haven't been armed all along.

So many deaths would've been prevented over the last decade or so from Columbine to Virginia Tech and everything in between.

It only takes one bullet to take out a shooter but if no one is armed against that shooter he or she can take out as many as they have bullets.

Amazing that so many don't get that until they are staring down the end of a gun barrel and then wished they had a gun.

Wow, I agree with Dave. The world is ending.

 

[dirtylimey]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy

Guns are totally different. With a gun the teacher just pulls the trigger and bang the student is dead. For a teacher to strangle me it would take them several minutes to try to overpower and kill me, and the majority of teachers at the school I attend would not be strong enough to kill me. Even if the teacher is strong enough in a classroom setting I would likely have other students rushing to my defense to prevent my death. The bottom line is giving teachers guns would result in more deaths than saved lives.

When was the last time a teacher went on a gun rampage through a school? wtf. Having teachers carry isn't going to make them pull a gun on a student for backtalking them...

Retarded.

 

[CrazyLazy]

You guys are putting way to much faith in teachers. Sure the majority of them are good but there are also those teachers going to school high on crack and teachers that molest children. Sure maybe they wouldn't all shot and kill kids, but they might threaten them with a gun just for kicks or tase them if they think they are getting out of hand. The risk that of me getting shot in a school shooting is extremely low, and I feel the risk I take giving teachers guns is much bigger.

Not to mention the huge amount of money it would take to give teachers guns and properly train them so they could use them in school. I am not against having a well trained security team of some sort equipped with weapons in school, but I don't want my crazy spanish teacher that maybe isn't all there to have a weapon. I would not feel that I could learn in an environment like that.

Edit: Calling me retarded idiot doesn't have anything to do with the debate at hand.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: OFFascist
If they have a concealed handgun license they can already carry most everywhere else in the state except "bars, hospitals, courtrooms, and schools."

I dont really see what the big deal is, I can maybe see the arguments for bars and courtrooms, but I dont see why you should be prohibited from carrying a handgun in hospitals or schools if you are licensed. If the person had a bad intention the fact that carrying there is illegal wouldnt matter anyways. These laws only restrict the people who obey the law.

I'm licensed to carry, when I go into a bar, hospital, or school, I can either leave my handgun in my car where someone can potentially break in and steal it, or I could choose to break the law and say to myself "concealed is concealed," and not worry about the law and carry anyways.

I agree wholeheartedly, especially with the bold. It's all the more reason for concealed carry license holders to be able to have guns in schools since, as it stands, wackos can pretty well be dead certain that their targets in schools (and a lot of colleges) are completely defenseless.

 

[classy]

Something is wrong with allowing teachers to bring guns to school. We have teachers having sex with students through coersion now, next it will be through the threat of a gun. Put in metal detectors, but for god sakes not allow teachers to use guns. I wouldn't allow my child to go to school there. Teachers should be setting an example. If its too dangerous for you to teach without a gun, find another line of work. I don't believe the safety of my child is improved by anyone carrying a gun in school, unless they are police officers.

 

[Ruptga]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
You guys are putting way to much faith in teachers. Sure the majority of them are good but there are also those teachers going to school high on crack and teachers that molest children. Sure maybe they wouldn't all shot and kill kids, but they might threaten them with a gun just for kicks or tase them if they think they are getting out of hand. The risk that of me getting shot in a school shooting is extremely low, and I feel the risk I take giving teachers guns is much bigger.

Not to mention the huge amount of money it would take to give teachers guns and properly train them so they could use them in school. I am not against having a well trained security team of some sort equipped with weapons in school, but I don't want my crazy spanish teacher that maybe isn't all there to have a weapon. I would not feel that I could learn in an environment like that.

Edit: Calling me retarded idiot doesn't have anything to do with the debate at hand.

Just ignore him, he's already demonstrated that he has no idea what is going on, not to mention it sure sounds like he's too young to vote anyway.

 

[dirtylimey]

Originally posted by: classy
Something is wrong with allowing teachers to bring guns to school. We have teachers having sex with students through coersion now, next it will be through the threat of a gun. Put in metal detectors, but for god sakes not allow teachers to use guns. I wouldn't allow my child to go to school there. Teachers should be setting an example. If its too dangerous for you to teach without a gun, find another line of work. I don't believe the safety of my child is improved by anyone carrying a gun in school, unless they are police officers.

Those police officers sure did a good job in limiting the damage that occurred in the last 5 or 6 school shootings...

At least if a trained teacher is packing heat when the next school shooting goes down, there is a better chance of said teacher putting an end to the situation and reducing the number of fatalities.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: irishScott

Originally posted by: Dari
Now imagine if the teacher is incapacitated and the gun is available for the taking...
That's one school district I won't be sending my kids. Home schooling sounds better everyday.

Just as long as you don't shelter your kid. I know a heavily sheltered home-schooled girl at my University. Freshman year, she didn't know the meaning of "wise and beautiful woman".

To be honest, I really don't think that's such a big deal..

The scariest thing about this is that you are serious. If she doesn't know the meaning of one of the most basic words in our language think of all the other, important things that escape her too.

Books smarts are a very small part of leading a successful life.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
This is a terrible idea. I can think of several occasions were a teacher may have shot/threatened me in school with a gun, they are not above outbursts of anger.

To make this more generic - what makes people think that teachers would actually know what to do with them and also be calm, sane enough to actually do it. I hope that teachers who plan to exercise this option are also required to put in time on the firing range to prepare for the reality of needing to use it.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Have they had a problem with gun violence at that school?

Y'know, reading the article does wonders. 😛

The small community of Harrold in north Texas is a 30-minute drive from the Wilbarger County Sheriff's Office, leaving students and teachers without protection, said David Thweatt, superintendent of the Harrold Independent School District. The lone campus of the 110-student district sits near a heavily traveled highway, which could make it a target, he argued.

"When the federal government started making schools gun-free zones, that's when all of these shootings started. Why would you put it out there that a group of people can't defend themselves? That's like saying 'sic 'em' to a dog," Thweatt said in a story published Friday on the Fort Worth Star-Telegram's Web site.

They're actually taking the initiative to solve the problem before it happens. If more people would think like this, rather than waiting for someone to get killed before they do anything, this world would be a better place.

This is one area where you and I differ - this will not solve the problem. Will it make it better - who knows? If someone wants to shoot up the school - armed teachers aren't going to stop them - they probably aren't going to even deter them. If anything, the shooters are going to prepare themselves better.

Most of the school shootings are for personal reasons - the shooters feel some emotional attachment to that particular school.