Texas Legislature: anti-trans athelete bill implodes against anti-EV bill - both go down in flames

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fskimospy

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It's one thing to abandon trans people as people, it's another to do simple things like say XX and XY sports leagues exist for a reason. If trans sports participation is so very very important, then create a co-op league for anyone and everyone who wants to compete without limitations on sex or gender.

Are we trying to win elections here, or are we OK continuing to lose "regular" people by demanding extraordinary things? Does losing another 6 or 7 Senate seats and 10-15 House seats worth it if we both cannot "legalize" trans women in women's sports leagues and give Republicans enough of a majority to rewrite the constitution?

Or do you believe that if we continue demanding that 17 trans women across the country should be entitled to play in XX sports leagues, Democrats are going to pick up Senate seats, House seats, and state/city/local seats?

I don't believe that advocating that trans women should be able to continue playing in XX leagues is as important as maintaining enough of an electoral presence to actually prevent Republicans from doing way fucking worse things than banning 17 trans women form playing in the XX sports league.

Or maybe I'm a secret Republican who wants trans people to die because I don't fucking care about which circuses trans women are allowed to perform in.

Jesus Fucking Christ.
This is a great post that I entirely agree with.

I think the moral case for trans athletes is easy and the focus on them is insane. (Leave people alone) That being said, hard choices have to be made. It’s insane America cares about this but if that’s the case then democrats need to moderate on it.
 
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Pens1566

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I don't recall any D's actually running on "17 trans women across the country ..." anything. It was more a manufactured thing that Rs came up with and hung around their necks because the gen pop is a bunch of fucking idiots and will believe anything they hear/see that sounds juicy.
 

ivwshane

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I don't recall any D's actually running on "17 trans women across the country ..." anything. It was more a manufactured thing that Rs came up with and hung around their necks because the gen pop is a bunch of fucking idiots and will believe anything they hear/see that sounds juicy.

Exactly. If it’s not trans issues it’ll be some other faux issue that people currently don’t give a shit about until their media and “news” sources start telling them it’s an important issue they need to start caring about.

One of these days the left is going to figure out that the playbook of republicans and the right is to just throw out as much shit as possible and hammer what ever sticks. One of these days the left is going to figure out that it’s not policies, or finding the Jesus of democrat candidates, or messaging that’s the issue but rather that they are up against a propaganda apparatus that would make hitler jealous.
 

brycejones

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This is a great post that I entirely agree with.

I think the moral case for trans athletes is easy and the focus on them is insane. (Leave people alone) That being said, hard choices have to be made. It’s insane America cares about this but if that’s the case then democrats need to moderate on it.
Well so far Democrats have decided to throw immigrants and federal authority under the bus. We'll see who else is sacrificed going forward.
 

Sonikku

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Exactly. If it’s not trans issues it’ll be some other faux issue that people currently don’t give a shit about until their media and “news” sources start telling them it’s an important issue they need to start caring about.

One of these days the left is going to figure out that the playbook of republicans and the right is to just throw out as much shit as possible and hammer what ever sticks. One of these days the left is going to figure out that it’s not policies, or finding the Jesus of democrat candidates, or messaging that’s the issue but rather that they are up against a propaganda apparatus that would make hitler jealous.
You're not wrong but that is just the beginning of the right's strategy. Their strategy was also to create the federalist society for the expressed purpose of subverting the rule of law for right wing ideology along with the Murdoch revolution that could run damage control for the GoP while propping up bogus narratives that benefit their megadonors. It took 40 years for those investments to pay off, but pay off they did and Trump couldn't have succeeded without them. I want to say that the Dems would need a similar time frame for a similar pay off to investment if they started now. But frankly, the rest of the MSM and the Dems have already capitulated, they nuke from orbit anybody within the party that can save them and the right wing takeover of the federal courts with lifetime appointments is the sort of power that just begets power. So the party is toast.
 

Indus

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Well so far Democrats have decided to throw immigrants and federal authority under the bus. We'll see who else is sacrificed going forward.

DOMA, illegal immigrants, immigration act of 1965, diversity visa program, Bail Reform, Campaign Finance Reform, Debt Ceiling, Food Stamps, WIC Checks, Obamacare all expendable imo but they should draw the line at FEMA, Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid if they're intelligent.

Sadly they're not.

Chances are greater that Trump decides Trumpcare is needed for his legacy and make it single payer than dems actually offering any meaningful resistance.
 

Jaskalas

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This is a great post that I entirely agree with.

I think the moral case for trans athletes is easy and the focus on them is insane. (Leave people alone) That being said, hard choices have to be made. It’s insane America cares about this but if that’s the case then democrats need to moderate on it.
Not sure it was ever about the athletes. So much as making trans lives a living hell regarding bathroom policies and other acts of hostility.
Dems will be attacked on the issue unless they abandon trans entirely.
How do Democrats find moderation with that?
 
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Zorba

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The problem is they aren't stopping at sports. They are banning medical care for kids.

The sports issue is just one they found as a winner to mask their real agenda which is persecution of trans people.
Obviously, but let's fight the real major issue instead of playing the game on their terms. They got a whole lot of people, including liberals, that trans rights meant transwomen in women's sports and sex changes for illegal immigrants in prison. And democrats helped them with that a lot.

Democrats should be pushing for respect for trans people and letting medical professionals and their patients make medical decisions. They shouldn't be getting into fights over whether or not one transgirl should be able to wrestle or not. The response should've always been, let the sports organization figure it out and move on.
 

Zorba

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Cool, cool.

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Is it better if the people that support trans rights make it a major campaign issue (or at least take the bait non-stop) and the lose all positions of power, or simply say "everyone deserves respect" then focus on the issues that'll get them elected?

It doesn't matter how pro-trans a politician is if they don't get elected.

And fighting for transwomen in women's sports is a losing battle, period. It's putting the needs of a tiny tiny percentage of women athletes in front of all the others, and it is putting the needs of a tiny percentage of transwomen in front actually winning elections that will help the trans community.
 
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nakedfrog

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Is it better if the people that support trans rights make it a major campaign issue (or at least take the bait non-stop) and the lose all positions of power, or simply say "everyone deserves respect" then focus on the issues that'll get them elected?

It doesn't matter how pro-trans a politician is if they don't get elected.

And fighting for transwomen in women's sports is a losing battle, period. It's putting the needs of a tiny tiny percentage of women athletes in front of all the others, and it is putting the needs of a tiny percentage of transwomen in front actually winning elections that will help the trans community.
I'll assume you posted this before you saw my subsequent response :)

Also, dude, "transwomen" is not the preferred nomenclature, "trans women" please.
 

Zorba

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I'll assume you posted this before you saw my subsequent response :)

Also, dude, "transwomen" is not the preferred nomenclature, "trans women" please.
Yes, I posted that before I finished reading the thread.

I didn't know about the nomenclature. But why? Trans is a prefix, not a standalone adjective. Not trying to be dismissive, I just don't understand the reasoning.