Texas Legislature: anti-trans athelete bill implodes against anti-EV bill - both go down in flames

[Wreckem]

At no point does your "study" mention cracked skulls. Try again. If you think that is common in MMA, you're simply an idiot.

There is also TONS upon TONS of sources saying that the cracked skulls occured with staples all over. I cannot find a single source other than politifact that says it didn't occur - but they don't provide a single source. They just say it didn't happen as-if thats all the proof we need.

There is absolutely no question that women are getting absolutely manhandled by her:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/2goivp

EDIT: Nevermind - found the source - it actually proves my point - but nice try lol.




(Link that was cited by Politifact)

Transgender fighter Fallon Fox sends opponent to hospital

This is not a film but real life. 38-year-old Fallon Fox (5-1) , who began life as man but underwent a sex change in 2006, caused a stir in the world of MMA in

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you can literally pull up dozens of articles on boxing and mma that show broken orbital bones are common injuries. As are concussions. This includes in women’s fight as well.

 

[Wreckem]

No Men have more mass, more muscle and I believe stronger bones (last part could be wrong)
Not super human just bigger.

As I said imagine being a Parent and watching your 123 pound daughter being stomped on by a 195 pound woman who was a boy/man last year. Leave this stuff as local decisions. No one answer will fit every possible scenario.

Yeah for so many reasons that’s not how this works.

First off transgendered athletes have to meet certain requirements and usually have to meet them for a year before competing.

Second it’s called weight classes… A 6’ 200lb female deadlifter/wrestler can probably hold her own against a 6’ 200lbs transgendered athlete on HRT.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah for so many reasons that’s not how this works.

First off transgendered athletes have to meet certain requirements and usually have to meet them for a year before competing.

Second it’s called weight classes… A 6’ 200lb female deadlifter/wrestler can probably hold her own against a 6’ 200lbs transgendered athlete on HRT.

High School women’s field hockey has weight classes?
High School women’s track & field has weight classes?
High School women’s soccer has weight classes?

 

[sandorski]

High School women’s field hockey has weight classes?
High School women’s track & field has weight classes?
High School women’s soccer has weight classes?

Why the sudden goalpost move? Are there even Trans athletes dominating Any High School sport? I see a lot of Political Angst on the subject, but little proof of an issue other than people being Transphobic about it.

 

[zinfamous]

I like how they think that taxing personal EV vehicles for road use is more reasonable than taxing the WalMarts and Amazons and FF companies for their actual, incredibly disproportionate use of the roads.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why the sudden goalpost move? Are there even Trans athletes dominating Any High School sport? I see a lot of Political Angst on the subject, but little proof of an issue other than people being Transphobic about it.

I said it should be a local decision, not a state wide or national decision.
I really do not think my position is shocking or strange.

 

[Zorba]

Those "gains" last <1 year after starting HRT.

Any there currently any regulations on requiring this before competing?

At the end if the day, I think trans sports needs a lot of nauce and study, not an all or nothing. I think the lean should be towards protecting women's sports and athletes, though.

 

[Zorba]

On the EV side, gas tax should go away or go straight to the EPA. It should be replaced by a mile and weight formula for all cars.

Most states and the feds aren't bringing in enough tax to pay for roads, and every year this gets worse as the cost of infrastructure increases and fuel mileage increases.

 

[Wreckem]

Any there currently any regulations on requiring this before competing?

At the end if the day, I think trans sports needs a lot of nauce and study, not an all or nothing. I think the lean should be towards protecting women's sports and athletes, though.

Yes. For any sport sanctioned by the olympics and its varies National governing bodies.

 

[Wreckem]

High School women’s field hockey has weight classes?
High School women’s track & field has weight classes?
High School women’s soccer has weight classes?

So cite your sources for 198lb dude who decided to be a girl one day playing against a 129 pound female on any of those sports the next day. Oh yeah that’s right it doesn’t exist. You are the one that referenced pounding on.

The reasons you trot out at the same reasons why Texas was trying to pass a bathroom bill it’s frankly bullshit. IE: we gotta protect our girls from strange men deciding they are female one day.

There are rules and regulations on trans athletes. Most sanctioning bodies(NCAA, IOC, etc) have rules. Including 1 year of HRT for male to female athletes and requiring them to continually test to ensure testosterone is below a certain threshold.

And why do y’all assume it’s mostly mtf? Plenty of ftm athletes out there. You don’t want them to compete in their new gender but then they get heckled and booed and bullied when they compete with their birth gender.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So cite your sources for 198lb dude who decided to be a girl one day playing against a 129 pound female on any of those sports the next day. Oh yeah that’s right it doesn’t exist. You are the one that referenced pounding on.

The reasons you trot out at the same reasons why Texas was trying to pass a bathroom billS it’s frankly bullshit.

No, this discussion has gone far enough and the cited example was clearly a theoretical.
I think trans participation in sports should be a local decision, not a State wide blanket decision.

 

[Wreckem]

No, this discussion has gone far enough and the cited example was clearly a theoretical.
I think trans participation in sports should be a local decision, not a State wide blanket decision.

UIL(in Texas) and other non governmental bodies are the sanctioning bodies for high school. So it is up to them. Many, including the UIL in Texas, already ban trans athletes from competing unless they compete against the gender of their birth. Reds States are trying to pass laws to keep it that way as governing bodies at the high school level are starting to get with the times and are looking to align their policies with higher level governing bodies(NCAA, IOC, etc).

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder what the ratio of time spent by people discussing trans athletics vs. the number of hours spent participating in athletics as a trans person is.

 

[pauldun170]

This thread needs some spice.
There should be no sex or gender based teams in schools.
If women want equality, they gonna get equality.

Give me your weak ass answers why I should change my mind.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I wonder what the ratio of time spent by people discussing trans athletics vs. the number of hours spent participating in athletics as a trans person is.

exactly and exactly why I say it should be local.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Funny thing I heard on the Stern Show.
OJ tweeted he loves playing golf with Katelyn Jenner and it bothers him that Katelyn uses the women’s tee.

 

[pauldun170]

exactly and exactly why I say it should be local.

I have had a couple of cringe worthy conversations with people who got themselves all worked up over trans athletes.
Actually, its not really a conversation.
Just them ranting about trans people followed by me asking "Are there any actual cases that you know about?" and then awkward silence.

It's the new "Never flash your high beams at someone driving around with no lights on because that's actually a gang initiation thing"

 

[ch33zw1z]

This thread needs some spice.
There should be no sex or gender based teams in schools.
If women want equality, they gonna get equality.

Give me your weak ass answers why I should change my mind.

My inferior glutes aside, I think you're onto something💩

 

[ch33zw1z]

exactly and exactly why I say it should be local.

Local government only goes so far. There's progressive competition ending it state playoffs that could come into play. So I think at least at a state level, there should be some guidelines in place.

And since there's obviously states that still hold tightly to their bigotry, the feds will likely have a say also.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Local government only goes so far. There's progressive competition ending it state playoffs that could come into play. So I think at least at a state level, there should be some guidelines in place.

And since there's obviously states that still hold tightly to their bigotry, the feds will likely have a say also.

excellent point

 

[EduCat]

lol Wasnt there a thread on 'what is the fringe left?' IMO the trans issue is a perfect example of it. I could see people who have never participated in sports at really any level thinking this was ok, but damn.

 

[Greenman]

exactly and exactly why I say it should be local.

Why should it be local? The issue is simple, the conditions don't change geographically. Should surgically or chemically altered men be allowed to compete in women's sports? That's the entire question. The question also contains the answer.
If I was a female athlete and kept losing to a person that used to be male I'd be pissed off, and rightly so.

 

[SMOGZINN]

High School women’s field hockey has weight classes?
High School women’s track & field has weight classes?
High School women’s soccer has weight classes?

That actually kind of proves the point. There are 6' 200 lbs cis girls already playing in those sports.
There is already a lot of body type variety in these sports. Trans people hardly change the distribution curve at all.

I think trans participation in sports should be a local decision, not a State wide blanket decision.

It sounds like a good idea, but it comes out to exactly the same as 'I think black participation in sports should be a local decision, not a State wide blanket decision.'
The decision ends up being about the prejudice of the people in charge instead of any fair assessment. There might be examples of some trans people that can dominate a sport on a local level, but that is true of cis people as well. When I was in school I played football next to someone that was 6'4 and over 340lbs of pure muscle. 3 years later he was a first round draft pick by the Seattle Seahawks. No one stood a chance against him, he crushed offensive lines.

If women want equality, they gonna get equality.

Your answer is fun. The point of sports is to have fun, and making one team for everyone simply is not fun.

Honestly I think the best solution would be to do away with the gender designations and sort everyone into teams based on skill. Let each school have 2-3 teams and let the coach choose the players for each team based on whatever criteria they see fit. Everyone gets to play with people near their own skill level. But for that to work we would have to remove the ultra-competitiveness of some sports.

 

[pauldun170]

Why should it be local? The issue is simple, the conditions don't change geographically. Should surgically or chemically altered men be allowed to compete in women's sports? That's the entire question. The question also contains the answer.
If I was a female athlete and kept losing to a person that used to be male I'd be pissed off, and rightly so.

Men?
There are adults still in high school where you are from?
I guess it kinda adds up.

Anyway,
You are saying there is no question about chemically altered girls on T being allowed to play in boys sports? You are fine with girls on testosterone competing in boys sports?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why should it be local? The issue is simple, the conditions don't change geographically. Should surgically or chemically altered men be allowed to compete in women's sports? That's the entire question. The question also contains the answer.
If I was a female athlete and kept losing to a person that used to be male I'd be pissed off, and rightly so.

see post #25

Texas Legislature: anti-trans athelete bill implodes against anti-EV bill - both go down in flames

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2021/05/26/transgender-sports-bill-dies-in-house-after-failing-to-beat-midnight-deadline/ The anti-trans athlete bill would have prevented trans school kids from playing on their preffered gender based team ostensibly to protect girls from being hurt by...

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Maybe a State side rule with a body that is allowed to make case by case exceptions.
I just don’t see one rule fitting all.