Texas government being idiots

[spacejamz]

Who cares if he's guilty, that's not the point....

I am sure the family of the 16 year old girl who was raped and killed with a 30 lb chunk of asphalt who was found naked with a stick protruding out of her body care...

 

[CycloWizard]

While it sounds like the guy is guilty (based on his own confession), this case sets a dangerous precedent. If I were in a foreign country and got arrested, I would hope they would allow me access to the US consulate. It would be very easy to get railroaded in a foreign court where I don't know my rights or whether I even have any. What would have been lost by giving this guy access to the Mexican consulate? His being here illegally is grounds for deportation, not miscarriage of justice.

 

[CPA]

Yesterday was a proud day to be a Texan. Thank you Governor Perry for sticking up for States' rights.

 

[Genx87]

While it sounds like the guy is guilty (based on his own confession), this case sets a dangerous precedent. If I were in a foreign country and got arrested, I would hope they would allow me access to the US consulate. It would be very easy to get railroaded in a foreign court where I don't know my rights or whether I even have any. What would have been lost by giving this guy access to the Mexican consulate? His being here illegally is grounds for deportation, not miscarriage of justice.

I agree with you on this. However it was the duty of the executive and legislative branches to work together to ensure the treaty could be codified into law.

If Obama or Bush really felt this would lead to grave issues abroad. They should have pardoned him imo. That is within their right as president of the United States.

 

[SAWYER]

I am losing sleep over this dirtbag

 

[CPA]

While it sounds like the guy is guilty (based on his own confession), this case sets a dangerous precedent. If I were in a foreign country and got arrested, I would hope they would allow me access to the US consulate. It would be very easy to get railroaded in a foreign court where I don't know my rights or whether I even have any. What would have been lost by giving this guy access to the Mexican consulate? His being here illegally is grounds for deportation, not miscarriage of justice.

It does not set any precendent, as was stated above there have been other court cases with the same argument and the same finding.

 

[CPA]

Look up Medellin v. Texas. This legal issue has already been decided.

Thank you.

Medellín v. Texas, 552 U.S. 491 (2008) is a United States Supreme Court decision which held that while an international treaty may constitute an international commitment, it is not binding domestic law unless Congress has enacted statutes implementing it or unless the treaty itself is "self-executing"; that decisions of the International Court of Justice are not binding domestic law; and that, absent an act of Congress or Constitutional authority, the President of the United States lacks the power to enforce international treaties or decisions of the International Court of Justice.[1]

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

While it sounds like the guy is guilty (based on his own confession), this case sets a dangerous precedent. If I were in a foreign country and got arrested, I would hope they would allow me access to the US consulate. It would be very easy to get railroaded in a foreign court where I don't know my rights or whether I even have any. What would have been lost by giving this guy access to the Mexican consulate? His being here illegally is grounds for deportation, not miscarriage of justice.

He and his lawyer didn't request access to the Mexican consulate to aid in his defense prior to the trial. If I understand this correctly, the "outrage" appears to revolve around Texas failing to advise him of his "right" to contact the Mexican consulate when he was arrested. He was never denied his "right" to access the Mexican consulate prior to trial as he never requested access.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Good for Texas.

Ask the corrupt police in mexico if they care about Americans "rights" when they arrest them.

There are far better things to rage about than this nonsense.

 

[SAWYER]

Craig can't have an Obama or d bashing thread without feeling like he must wash it away with a jab at the other "side", this thread is trying to make uo for the dirty feeling he got from bashing obummer

 

[thraashman]

Thank you.

Medellín v. Texas, 552 U.S. 491 (2008) is a United States Supreme Court decision which held that while an international treaty may constitute an international commitment, it is not binding domestic law unless Congress has enacted statutes implementing it or unless the treaty itself is "self-executing"; that decisions of the International Court of Justice are not binding domestic law; and that, absent an act of Congress or Constitutional authority, the President of the United States lacks the power to enforce international treaties or decisions of the International Court of Justice.[1]

Wow. So when Craig posted the Supremecy clause of the Constitution he proved that he knows more about Constitutional law than the Supreme Court? Jeez, that doesn't say much for the current SC. Not shocking to see it was the conservative side of the SC that doesn't know how to read the Constitution.

 

[Jaskalas]

I stand with Texas, the beast needed to be put down for that crime, and nothing should change that. Nothing.

So he was in Mexico for two years? He spent the rest of his life illegally in the US. He was not here as a Mexican citizen with a passport or any such documentation from Mexico.

If a country wants to have a problem with that, then I say to hell with them.

 

[Genx87]

Wow. So when Craig posted the Supremecy clause of the Constitution he proved that he knows more about Constitutional law than the Supreme Court? Jeez, that doesn't say much for the current SC. Not shocking to see it was the conservative side of the SC that doesn't know how to read the Constitution.

Craig is an idiot who doesnt understand what he was reading.

 

[Mursilis]

Federal law can, but a treaty cant. Think about the end around the executive could do with such power.

Hence the Constitutional requirement for ratification - see Article 2, Sec. 2(2). That's why I added the words "properly-ratified".

Sign a treaty with Canada requiring we both have universal health care? In this cane Obama wants congress to pass a law that would supercede state law and bring them into compliance with the treaty. The treaty itself has no standing with state law.

The Supreme Court has previously stated that under certain circumstances, a ratified treaty has the effect of federal law. For example, in Sanchez-Llamas v. Oregon, they stated:

Where a treaty provides for a particular judicial remedy, courts must apply it as a requirement of federal law.

Like I said already, this is a very complicated area of law.

 

[CycloWizard]

I agree with you on this. However it was the duty of the executive and legislative branches to work together to ensure the treaty could be codified into law.

If Obama or Bush really felt this would lead to grave issues abroad. They should have pardoned him imo. That is within their right as president of the United States.

I think pardoning would have been overboard, especially in a case where the guy admitted guilt. My problem, as usual, is one of principle: if we expect our citizens to be treated in a particular manner, we should do the same for the citizens of other nations when they are here.

 

[Jaskalas]

I have a simple solution going forward.

We'll recognize the UN's rule. In exchange for it not applying to illegals.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

Let it be noted that I applaud Texas' actions with regards to this case.

 

[her209]

I'd hate to be a Texan arrested in Mexico right now.

 

[thraashman]

Craig is an idiot who doesnt understand what he was reading.

Which makes it sadder that he understands the Constitution better than the conservative side of the Supreme Court of the United States.

 

[ichy]

I'd hate to be a Texan arrested in Mexico right now.

Simple solution: don't go to Mexico. The country is a shit hole anyways.

 

[waggy]

If Obama or Bush really felt this would lead to grave issues abroad. They should have pardoned him imo. That is within their right as president of the United States.

lol neither hold to what they belive so much they would risk teh shit storm that would come if they pardoned him.

they just pander to the Mexican vote with shit like this. they really don't want them to go free.

 

[thraashman]

lol neither hold to what they belive so much they would risk teh shit storm that would come if they pardoned him.

they just pander to the Mexican vote with shit like this. they really don't want them to go free.

Obama never said he wanted the guy to go free. He said he wanted the guy to receive the legal protections that were within his right as a foreign national on American soil. You know, rights, that thing that liberals protect and conservatives only care about if they can shoot other human beings with.

 

[Svnla]

Funny how those ILLEGALS that sneak into the US and then scream "we are US citizens now cuz our parents brought us here when we were young, we could not help it, not our fault and if you don't agree with it, you are soooo racist/xenophobia/etc.".

But now that bastard and people like him suddendly scream.."but..but..but....we are Mexicans". Talk about speaking out loud on both sides of the mouth. LOL.

I'd hate to be a Texan arrested in Mexico right now.

Well, if you won't committ horrible crimes such as rape and murder like that bastard, then why should you worry about it?

<<----travel to many locations and continents and not worry about execution because he won't committ felony crimes and follow the law of that country that he visit.

 

[werepossum]

Good Fn riddance. S.O.B. got to live on the Texas dime for longer that this girl was alive. Disgusting.

This. How people like Craig can see someone who rapes and brutally murders a child and think "That person needs help" totally escapes me. That person-shaped beast needs putting down, and a damned sight sooner than it happened. Had the execution been postponed, it's highly likely that it would have been commuted to life in prison without parole, at least as soon as one of the conservative justices is replaced with a progressive. From there it's a short step toward weekend passes, if not clemency.

You just got off my ignore list. Thumbs up.

LOL That'll teach you.

 

[werepossum]

i am losing sleep over this dirtbag

lol +1