Texas government being idiots

[D-Man]

SVNLA I agree

If the Mexican Officials cannot see how horrible this crime was to bad

If they do see he needs killin they should squack a little and let it blow over

 

[alphatarget1]

This is more like a technicality than anything. Even with consular consultation, the guy would've still been convicted. Just have congress pass a law that requires every state to notify the defendant's right for consular access. I don't see why Texas should be punished for something that Congress did not do.

Oh yeah, good riddance. Craig is a disgusting liberal.

 

[Lithium381]

this really does open up a LOT of leway for foreign nationals that are here. The basis of the argument against his execution was that under mexico law, he can't be put to death, but over here he (obviously was). what if we get a member of a lawless nation commiting murder here.... where we simply ship them back to be "dealt with" by that country, only to hear the next day they are let free. Is that justice? No that is international politics.

 

[MovingTarget]

Texas should've allowed the prisoner access to Mexican consolate officials. There's no reason not to. So now what happens when the next Texan is locked up in Mexico? Sorry, no access to the US consolate. Fail Texas, Fail.

Also, I still find it ironic how the pro-life crowd is nowhere to be found on the issue of Capitol punishment. Sigh...

 

[Infohawk]

Fuck Craig for his vague and misleading thread title.

 

[highland145]

Also, I still find it ironic how the pro-life crowd is nowhere to be found on the issue of Capitol punishment. Sigh...

Pro life for the innocent, pro death for the guilty. Sounds about right when compared to the opposite.

 

[ProfJohn]

I think pardoning would have been overboard, especially in a case where the guy admitted guilt. My problem, as usual, is one of principle: if we expect our citizens to be treated in a particular manner, we should do the same for the citizens of other nations when they are here.

And what would be the proper remedy for this situation??

Throw out his conviction and put him on trail again?

 

[thegimp03]

Good riddance to this piece of trash.

 

[ProfJohn]

Here is the truth to the story:

A 2004 ruling by the International Court of Justice (in Avena and Other Mexican Nationals (Mexico v. United States of America)) found that he and about 50 other Mexican nationals condemned to execution in the United States

The anti-death penalty people will do anything and everything to stop an execution.

If they can stop this one then they automatically take steps to stop the other 50 as well.

They really don't care about the rule of law either, all they care about is stopping executions and will do anything and everything to do so.

 

[JD50]

Texas should've allowed the prisoner access to Mexican consolate officials. There's no reason not to. So now what happens when the next Texan is locked up in Mexico? Sorry, no access to the US consolate. Fail Texas, Fail.

Also, I still find it ironic how the pro-life crowd is nowhere to be found on the issue of Capitol punishment. Sigh...

Yea, because killing innocent babies (which is what a pro-lifer believes abortion is) and killing a convicted murderer are somehow similar...:\

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Texas should've allowed the prisoner access to Mexican consolate officials. There's no reason not to. So now what happens when the next Texan is locked up in Mexico? Sorry, no access to the US consolate. Fail Texas, Fail.

Also, I still find it ironic how the pro-life crowd is nowhere to be found on the issue of Capitol punishment. Sigh...

Easy, Give the cop a few hundred bucks and go on your way. Nothing will change because of this.

Ironic that the pro-choice people are the ones typically against capital punishment.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Here is the truth to the story:

The anti-death penalty people will do anything and everything to stop an execution.

If they can stop this one then they automatically take steps to stop the other 50 as well.

They really don't care about the rule of law either, all they care about is stopping executions and will do anything and everything to do so.

Then fight for the right of abortion.

 

[highland145]

Then fight for the right of abortion.

Strange, isn't it?

 

[spacejamz]

Texas should've allowed the prisoner access to Mexican consolate officials. There's no reason not to. So now what happens when the next Texan is locked up in Mexico? Sorry, no access to the US consolate. Fail Texas, Fail.

Also, I still find it ironic how the pro-life crowd is nowhere to be found on the issue of Capitol punishment. Sigh...

Texas never 'dis-allowed' access to the Mexican Consulate. This scumbag's supporters are saying the state failed to notify him that he had the right to contact them. I wonder why his supporters are not bitching at his lawyers for not telling him he had this right...

He was only trying to get out of his death sentence so he could get life in prison at the expense of the tax payers....

You really think this will change anything in for jailed Texans in Mexico? The only way they do things down there is through bribes...If you are Texan (or anyone else for that matter) with cash, you will be just fine...

It still cracks me up that Mexico doesn't believe in the death penalty, yet how many people from Central America do they kill each year when they try to cross their southern border? Guess is easier to shoot first and ask questions later...

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Strange, isn't it?

LOL. I'm sure he finds it baffling.

 

[woolfe9999]

Yesterday was a proud day to be a Texan. Thank you Governor Perry for sticking up for States' rights.

States rights under the U.S. Constitution, or would that be the Articles of Conferation you're referring to? Because the U.S. Constitution empowers the federal government to make treaties, and contains a clause that says all federal laws and treaties trump state law.

What gets me about most of the replies in this thread is that we're supposed to ignore the Constitution just because this guy is a scumbag. How about this: I think Holocaust deniers are scumbags and hence the government should censor their speech.

I guess the Constitution is a great idea until it gets in the way of our emotions.

 

[GoPackGo]

Obama could have commuted the death sentence to a life sentence if he wanted....

 

[MovingTarget]

Pro life for the innocent, pro death for the guilty. Sounds about right when compared to the opposite.

I used to be of the same opinion until recently. I subscribed to the "gangrenous limb" argument as put forth by Aquinas. What changed my mind were the writings of Sr. Helen Prejean.

 

[ProfJohn]

Obama could have commuted the death sentence to a life sentence if he wanted....

Exactly... but he didn't wonder why :hmm:


As I asked before What is the remedy in this situation?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Which makes it sadder that he understands the Constitution better than the conservative side of the Supreme Court of the United States.

He nor you understand jack squat about the constitution.
Let's put it simply. a treaty signed by the president or other dignitary is nothing more than lip service. It has no legal binding meaning under Federal law until it is ratified by the United States Congress.
That's as simple as it can be put for people like you to understand.

As far as being a Texan or American arrested in Mexico right now, nothing has changed. Getting arrested in 3rd world countries has always been and will always be a crap shoot. You will never have rights and equal protection under their laws. That's why they are 3rd world countries. They suck. Hense their people leaving to come here.

 

[highland145]

I used to be of the same opinion until recently. I subscribed to the "gangrenous limb" argument as put forth by Aquinas. What changed my mind were the writings of Sr. Helen Prejean.

Curious. Pro choice or pro life?

 

[ichy]

Obama could have commuted the death sentence to a life sentence if he wanted....

Jesus, how ignorant of civics are you? The President of the US can NOT commute a sentence passed by a state court.

 

[thraashman]

He nor you understand jack squat about the constitution.
Let's put it simply. a treaty signed by the president or other dignitary is nothing more than lip service. It has no legal binding meaning under Federal law until it is ratified by the United States Congress.
That's as simple as it can be put for people like you to understand.

As far as being a Texan or American arrested in Mexico right now, nothing has changed. Getting arrested in 3rd world countries has always been and will always be a crap shoot. You will never have rights and equal protection under their laws. That's why they are 3rd world countries. They suck. Hense their people leaving to come here.

Edit as I found something better. It was approved by the Senate and ratified.

On April 24, 1963, the United States signed the Vienna Convention.(50) The treaty was not immediately submitted to the Senate for review, however, because the Executive Branch initially decided to use bilateral consular agreements rather than the multilateral Vienna Convention.(51) The Nixon Administration finally sought ratification of the Vienna Convention because it believed the agreement "constitutes an important contribution to the development and codification of international law and should contribute to the orderly and effective conduct of consular relations between States."(52)

The true impact of the Vienna Convention was revealed when the Nixon Administration formally submitted the treaty to the Senate for its advice and consent to ratification in May 1969. In hearings before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, J. Edward Lyerly, the Deputy Legal Adviser for the Nixon Administration, said the treaty was "entirely self-executive [sic] and does not require any implementing or complementing legislation."(53) Subsequently, Senator J. William Fulbright asked Deputy Legal Adviser Lyerly whether the Vienna Convention would affect federal legislation or state laws.(54) In response, the Deputy Legal Adviser stated that "[t]he Vienna Convention does not have the effect of overcoming Federal or State laws beyond the scope long authorized in existing consular conventions."(55) He added, however, that, "[t]o the extent that there are conflicts in Federal legislation or State laws [,] the Vienna Convention, after ratification, would govern as in the case of bilateral consular conventions."(56) Moreover, the Senate fully recognized that state and local jurisdictions were required to provide consular notification when a foreign national was detained.(57) The Senate requested the Nixon Administration to describe how the State Department notifies state and local jurisdictions about consular agreements.(58)

The Senate subsequently approved the Vienna Convention on October 22, 1969, and it was formally ratified by President Nixon on November 12, 1969.(59) The ratification was deposited on November 24, 1969, and it entered into force for the United States on December 24, 1969.

From here. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+V...tions%3a+a+study+of+rights,...-a020862667

 

[punjabiplaya]

Texas government being awesome.

 

[CitizenKain]

Here is the truth to the story:

The anti-death penalty people will do anything and everything to stop an execution.

If they can stop this one then they automatically take steps to stop the other 50 as well.

They really don't care about the rule of law either, all they care about is stopping executions and will do anything and everything to do so.

Well, yes. Being anti-death penalty actually means you are against it. Not just changing your opinion based on if you feel like they deserved it.