Texas government being idiots

[Craig234]

A Mexican man was arrested for a terrible murder by the State of Texas.

The US has signed internal agreements that US citizens arrested abroad will be given access to US consul staff; and the US will provide foreigners it arrests access to their consulate.

Texas, in what can only be described as mindless, childish, idiocy, decided it didn't want to.

Then-President George W. Bush ordered the state he had just been governor of to follow the law. Texas refused.

Early court hearings limited the power of the federal government, until new legislation is passed, to intervene. The US government understands the risks this places on US citizens.

President Obama asked Texas to delay the execution until January. Texas said no.

The Supreme Court voted on whether to take action - and voted 5-4, on the usual lines, not to do so, and the man was executed yesterday.

Texas accomplished nothing good by their actions. They have dishonored the word of the United States and given foreign countries the justification not to honor US rights.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/07-2

(This is the same state and governor who executed what evidence strongly shows was an innocent man, ignoring evidence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-scheck/innocent-but-executed_b_272327.html)

 

[Genx87]

The United States federal govt cant sign treaties that supercede state and federal law.

And lol at the thread title. The OP just cant help himself with his favorite word "idiot".

 

[brencat]

Frankly Craig, I'm surprised it took you this long to bring this issue up.

Some things to consider here. It was a heinous brutal crime and his guilt here was not really ever in doubt:

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-executes-mexican-court-stay-rejected-233305430.html

The court rejected the request 5-4. Its five more conservative justices doubted that executing Leal would cause grave international consequences, and doubted "that it is ever appropriate to stay a lower court judgment in light of unenacted legislation."

"Our task is to rule on what the law is, not what it might eventually be," the majority said.

Prosecutors said Congress was unlikely to pass the legislation sought and that Leal's appeals were simply an attempt to evade justice for a gruesome murder.

Stephen Hoffman, an assistant Texas attorney general, said evidence pointing to Leal's guilt is strong.

"At this point, it is clear that Leal is attempting to avoid execution by overwhelming the state and the courts with as many meritless lawsuits and motions as humanly possible," Hoffman said.

Viva Mexico! One more violent illegal immigrant criminal put down. Neeeexxxt!

 

[Atreus21]

Anybody got that "how about about a hot cup of RAGE" picture?

 

[highland145]

He was sentenced to death for the 1994 murder of 16-year-old Adria Sauceda, whose brutalized nude body was found hours after he left a San Antonio street party with her. She was bludgeoned with a chunk of asphalt.

Good Fn riddance. S.O.B. got to live on the Texas dime for longer that this girl was alive. Disgusting.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Viva Mexico!

 

[nick1985]

Craig using the word "idiots"???

 

[Mursilis]

The United States federal govt cant sign treaties that supercede state and federal law.

I'm not an expert in conflict of law, but I don't believe your statement is correct re state law. My understanding is, as a general principle, a properly-ratified federal treaty has the effect of federal law, and CAN supercede state law.

 

[ichy]

Look up Medellin v. Texas. This legal issue has already been decided.

 

[Macamus Prime]

"I have hurt a lot of people. ... I take full blame for everything. I am sorry for what I did," he said in the death chamber.

May he rot in hell.

When you step back, yes - this fucks Americans,... who leave the US and murder 16 year old girls.



Frankly, they can rot in hell as well.

If someone is proven guility of a crime, even if it's my own mother, they deserve the punishment issued by the government, in the country they committed the crime.

For once, I agree with that Texas did. There was no doubt on what he did, why delay the process of issuing his punishment by letting someone from his country to drag out the trail and judgement?

Hey, remember what happened with that sick Dutch bastard? Killed a girl in the Bahamas, had his daddy take care of everything,... and then he did it again in Argentina!

It is not worth it to protect one sick scum bag, to ensure our own scumbags get US council in a country the commited a serious crime.

This is a situation where the heart does not bleed. At least this sick fuck had some back bone to admit to his crime.

 

[Craig234]

I'm not an expert in conflict of law, but I don't believe your statement is correct re state law. My understanding is, as a general principle, a properly-ratified federal treaty has the effect of federal law, and CAN supercede state law.

From the constitution:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

A Mexican man was arrested for a terrible murder by the State of Texas.

The US has signed internal agreements that US citizens arrested abroad will be given access to US consul staff; and the US will provide foreigners it arrests access to their consulate.

Texas, in what can only be described as mindless, childish, idiocy, decided it didn't want to.

Then-President George W. Bush ordered the state he had just been governor of to follow the law. Texas refused.

Early court hearings limited the power of the federal government, until new legislation is passed, to intervene. The US government understands the risks this places on US citizens.

President Obama asked Texas to delay the execution until January. Texas said no.

The Supreme Court voted on whether to take action - and voted 5-4, on the usual lines, not to do so, and the man was executed yesterday.

Texas accomplished nothing good by their actions. They have dishonored the word of the United States and given foreign countries the justification not to honor US rights.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/07/07-2

(This is the same state and governor who executed what evidence strongly shows was an innocent man, ignoring evidence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-scheck/innocent-but-executed_b_272327.html)

So it's ok to brutally murder a 16 year old girl? I wonder if you would feel different if it was a 16 gay male that was murdered.

 

[Atreus21]

May he rot in hell.

When you step back, yes - this fucks Americans,... who leave the US and murder 16 year old girls.



Frankly, they can rot in hell as well.

If someone is proven guility of a crime, even if it's my own mother, they deserve the punishment issued by the government, in the country they committed the crime.

For once, I agree with that Texas did. There was no doubt on what he did, why delay the process of issuing his punishment by letting someone from his country to drag out the trail and judgement?

Hey, remember what happened with that sick Dutch bastard? Killed a girl in the Bahamas, had his daddy take care of everything,... and then he did it again in Argentina!

It is not worth it to protect one sick scum bag, to ensure our own scumbags get US council in a country the commited a serious crime.

This is a situation where the heart does not bleed. At least this sick fuck had some back bone to admit to his crime.

You just got off my ignore list. Thumbs up.

 

[Craig234]

May he rot in hell.

When you step back, yes - this fucks Americans,... who leave the US and murder 16 year old girls.



Frankly, they can rot in hell as well.

If someone is proven guility of a crime, even if it's my own mother, they deserve the punishment issued by the government, in the country they committed the crime.

For once, I agree with that Texas did. There was no doubt on what he did, why delay the process of issuing his punishment by letting someone from his country to drag out the trail and judgement?

Hey, remember what happened with that sick Dutch bastard? Killed a girl in the Bahamas, had his daddy take care of everything,... and then he did it again in Argentina!

It is not worth it to protect one sick scum bag, to ensure our own scumbags get US council in a country the commited a serious crime.

This is a situation where the heart does not bleed. At least this sick fuck had some back bone to admit to his crime.

This is for people arrested BEFORE they're convicted. It affects the innocent and guilty.

 

[Macamus Prime]

You just got off my ignore list. Thumbs up.

Go fuck yourself - put me back on.

edit: please.

 

[thraashman]

How many international treaties and conventions will we continue to ignore? It's sickening that we now hold ourselves to a lower standard than Iran and North Korea do when dealing with international law. Both of those countries inform foreign nationals of their right to contact consulates. So we violate Geneva convention with torture under Bush, violate this treaty now, and EVERY single time it's conservatives doing it. What THE FUCK is wrong with you guys? Who cares if he's guilty, that's not the point, in the US a worthless, disgusting monster receives the same protections under the law as EVERYONE else. But, then again, he's foreign specifically Mexican, and we all know that conservatives don't consider Mexicans to be human beings. Really, they don't consider anyone who isn't rich and white to be a human being.

 

[Mursilis]

From the constitution:

It's more complicated than that, as has already been discussed above.

 

[rudder]

Hey OP, how about someone jam a large branch up your vagina while beating your face with a piece of asphalt... then talk about honor.

 

[Mursilis]

How many international treaties and conventions will we continue to ignore? It's sickening that we now hold ourselves to a lower standard than Iran and North Korea do when dealing with international law. Both of those countries inform foreign nationals of their right to contact consulates.

Really? And you know this how?

 

[Genx87]

I'm not an expert in conflict of law, but I don't believe your statement is correct re state law. My understanding is, as a general principle, a properly-ratified federal treaty has the effect of federal law, and CAN supercede state law.

Federal law can, but a treaty cant. Think about the end around the executive could do with such power. Sign a treaty with Canada requiring we both have universal health care? In this cane Obama wants congress to pass a law that would supercede state law and bring them into compliance with the treaty. The treaty itself has no standing with state law.

 

[Craig234]

It's more complicated than that, as has already been discussed above.

Not that I've seen.

Maybe someone on ignore said something you didn't repeat. That's ok.

 

[Craig234]

Hey OP, how about someone jam a large branch up your vagina while beating your face with a piece of asphalt... then talk about honor.

To no one's surprise,

on ignore.

 

[boomerang]

Here's an interesting take on this story.

http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=84450

Mrs. Bill Ayers is Sandra L. Babcock’s law partner. Babcock was Leal’s counselor. Together they concocted the scheme to try and get Leal to skate using some ridiculously hypocritical slight of hand, and Obama was their puppet.
Babcock

Ayers and Dohrn

From Crime Victim’s Media Report

As per her academic research and this movement, Babcock is now claiming that the police failed to inform Leal of his right to Mexican consular support when he was arrested. Allegedly, this failure violated the rules of the International Court of Justice at the Hague: Leal, as a “Mexican national,” should have simply been able to call “his” embassy and the entire mess — the body, the rock, the stick, the bloody clothes, et. al. could be whisked away like some New Guinean ambassador’s parking tickets.

But there’s one little problem: Humberto Leal has lived in the United States, apparently illegally, since he was two. Talk about wanting it both ways: Leal was an American until the moment he murdered Adria Sauceda. That changed in the brief space between bashing in a young girl’s head and wiping down the doors of his car. Now he’s a “Mexican national,” a term everyone from the President to the New York Times to “human rights” organizations (Leal’s rights, not Sauceda’s) is using with no irony and no explanation, as they lobby to cloak a killer in layers of special privileges while simultaneously lobbying to prevent police from inquiring about immigration status.

Get it? The police will have to determine if someone is a foreign citizen in order to offer them consular rights, but they’ll also be forbidden to ask if someone is a foreign citizen in the interest of not discriminating against illegal immigrants, a lovely Catch 22 dreamed up by academics. This cliff we’re careening towards is permanent demotion of Americans’ legal rights on their own soil. If President Obama, his friend Bernadine Dohrn, and Jimmy Carter get their way, the police are going to find their hands tied in ten different ways, and our criminal justice system will soon be utterly subservient to whatever the hell they dream up at the U.N.

Expect more Humberto Leals.

My understanding is that no legislation was ever passed to enforce the U.N. treaty that progressives are basing this entire argument on. So, it's just more bullshit.

 

[Craig234]

Crappy, worthless right-wing blog link boomerang. For example, this is about a *US treaty* that is the law of the land, not 'a rule of the Hague', and his embassy could hardly 'make it go away' if they were called. You are posting lies (by the site). You care to at least retract them if not apologize for posting lies?

 

[Fear No Evil]

I thought the jews controlled everything? Now the Mexicans are in charge? I can't keep up with who is running things around here these days.