Texas Ebola patient dies

[Fern]

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Health care professionals treating actual or suspected Ebola patients are supposed to learn and follow protocols. You know, like professionals. If Dallas nurses are getting their Ebola training from watching CDC head talking to the American public as a whole on TV, everything is even dumber in Texas than I suspected.

Umm.. That requires somebody to teach them. Who is responsible for that?

Fern

 

[massmedia]

I think this just about sums up the level of Republican discourse at the hearing:

yeah it was hard not to chuckle when I saw this but I believe that image is both a mis-characterization of both:

• his point - (namely that that Bloomberg Businessweek magazine predicted that Ebola would rear its face in the US because CDC was dropping the ball and that that magazine was published at a time where CDC was saying that Ebola would not come to the US... and it turned out that CDC's overconfident exuberance turned out to be completely unfounded.
• the points of other Republicans - and many of those republicans made some damning points mainly aimed towards the bureaucrat running the CDC who spent more time dodging questions then he did providing direct answers to important questions about preparedness, what went wrong in texas, and some other nice penetrating questions.

by the way, I'm not a republican nor democrat... they're both branches of the same corporate controlled hot-mess in my view so I have no bias or preference towards the parties because they're both trash. I did find it amusing that the Democrats were mostly focused on budgets and blaming the republicans and pushing for future increases to the NIH etc... which is completely off topic in the here and now and a total waste of time in today's meeting (even though i support budget increases for the NIH big time). Lastly the dems were bootlicking the incompetent overconfident lying leader of the CDC which was also amusing. one of the lady dems made some good points. It's just pretty sad that there is such an obvious divide here between the parties and that some were more interested in playing politics than in fixing the hotmess that is Ebola 2014

 

[werepossum]

"Never let a crisis go to waste."

This thing will get out of hand, and then the tanks will roll.

Maybe, although I was principally thinking below Obama, of the people who actually know (supposedly anyway) health care. It is worth pointing out that Nigeria's quick and effective response was orchestrated from the top, but I think we're doing a fair job of contact tracing and with over-all policy. Where we're really falling down in is getting information down the chain of command to those actually in contact with the infected, and maybe in selecting the correct procedure to implement. Leadership, but probably not something in which we want Obama involved. And while I'd like to see non-essential travel to and from Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia stopped until we have a handle on this, I recognize that it's not as critical for us as it was for the other African nations which have a LOT more traffic from the bloody three.

This has been a major problem in the US for decades, no matter who is in office.

Yep, and it will continue no matter who is in office. Politically it's more advantageous to attack the other guy for his positions (both real and imagined) than to take a position which can then be attacked. Thus our politicians tend to make a lot of vague promises and take little concrete action, especially sensitive, controversial and politically incorrect action. (Although "politically incorrect" can mean something vastly different for an Alabama Senator and a California Senator.)

yeah it was hard not to chuckle when I saw this but I believe that image is both a mis-characterization of both:

• his point - (namely that that Bloomberg Businessweek magazine predicted that Ebola would rear its face in the US because CDC was dropping the ball and that that magazine was published at a time where CDC was saying that Ebola would not come to the US... and it turned out that CDC's overconfident exuberance turned out to be completely unfounded.
• the points of other Republicans - and many of those republicans made some damning points mainly aimed towards the bureaucrat running the CDC who spent more time dodging questions then he did providing direct answers to important questions about preparedness, what went wrong in texas, and some other nice penetrating questions.

by the way, I'm not a republican nor democrat... they're both branches of the same corporate controlled hot-mess in my view so I have no bias or preference towards the parties because they're both trash. I did find it amusing that the Democrats were mostly focused on budgets and blaming the republicans and pushing for future increases to the NIH etc... which is completely off topic in the here and now and a total waste of time in today's meeting (even though i support budget increases for the NIH big time). Lastly the dems were bootlicking the incompetent overconfident lying leader of the CDC which was also amusing. one of the lady dems made some good points. It's just pretty sad that there is such an obvious divide here between the parties and that some were more interested in playing politics than in fixing the hotmess that is Ebola 2014

Yep, it's all politics. Republicans are concentrating on establishing the gravity of the situation so that they can blame Obama for not fixing it. Democrats are concentrating on blaming Republican cuts (which in D.C. means "not giving us more than we could ever ask for", not actually spending less money.) Two sides of the same coin, just pick the side that least offends you and try to ignore that it's part of the same coin.

I will say that I agree completely with substance of the Republican attacks, I'm just assuming by default that they are politically motivated. Had Romney been elected, I suspect they'd be a lot more understanding with the good director.

 

[theeedude]

Umm.. That requires somebody to teach them. Who is responsible for that?

Fern

Federal Government?

 

[theeedude]

yeah it was hard not to chuckle when I saw this but I believe that image is both a mis-characterization of both:

• his point - (namely that that Bloomberg Businessweek magazine predicted that Ebola would rear its face in the US because CDC was dropping the ball and that that magazine was published at a time where CDC was saying that Ebola would not come to the US... and it turned out that CDC's overconfident exuberance turned out to be completely unfounded.
• the points of other Republicans - and many of those republicans made some damning points mainly aimed towards the bureaucrat running the CDC who spent more time dodging questions then he did providing direct answers to important questions about preparedness, what went wrong in texas, and some other nice penetrating questions.

by the way, I'm not a republican nor democrat... they're both branches of the same corporate controlled hot-mess in my view so I have no bias or preference towards the parties because they're both trash. I did find it amusing that the Democrats were mostly focused on budgets and blaming the republicans and pushing for future increases to the NIH etc... which is completely off topic in the here and now and a total waste of time in today's meeting (even though i support budget increases for the NIH big time). Lastly the dems were bootlicking the incompetent overconfident lying leader of the CDC which was also amusing. one of the lady dems made some good points. It's just pretty sad that there is such an obvious divide here between the parties and that some were more interested in playing politics than in fixing the hotmess that is Ebola 2014

Congress controls the purse, so Democrats were focused on things Congress can do. Of course it's not as exciting as Republicans trying to find a scapegoat or close the borders, but it is on topic as far as Congress' role.

 

[squarecut1]

yeah it I'm not a republican nor democrat... they're both branches of the same corporate controlled hot-mess in my view so I have no bias or preference towards the parties because they're both trash.

Even trash has more value, since it can be recycled.

A simple and self evident truth, yet beyond the reach of tens of millions of brainwashed people

 

[squarecut1]

So I was listening to BBC Radio, and they were interviewing this African woman, an Ebola survivor. She is still being stigmatized, people and neighbors won't talk to her, would turn away when they see her. She spoke excellent English by the way

 

[werepossum]

Even trash has more value, since it can be recycled.

A simple and self evident truth, yet beyond the reach of tens of millions of brainwashed people

Politicians can be recycled. Just watch how quickly their positions change with the political winds.

Kirsten Gillibrand was probably my favorite current Democrat pol. Then she got offered a shot at the Senate and literally overnight became Chuck Schumer. Mitt Romney was my guy and he's had more positions on abortion than a whole flock of Algores - sometimes in the same day.

Only problem is that a recycled politician rarely turns into something more useful.

 

[werepossum]

So I was listening to BBC Radio, and they were interviewing this African woman, an Ebola survivor. She is still being stigmatized, people and neighbors won't talk to her, would turn away when they see her. She spoke excellent English by the way

Sounds like a good candidate to be fast-tracked to a green card. She already speaks English and her blood is valuable.

Better warn her though, we have stupid people too.

 

[theeedude]

So I was listening to BBC Radio, and they were interviewing this African woman, an Ebola survivor. She is still being stigmatized, people and neighbors won't talk to her, would turn away when they see her. She spoke excellent English by the way

She should come to America, where her plasma can be used to help treat our Ebola patients.

 

[Fern]

Federal Government?

If it was the responsibility of fed govt it appears they failed to do the job, at least according to the nurses.

But I don't think it is the fed govt's job. I would guess the fed govt is only responsible for developing procedures and guidelines etc.

Fern

 

[theeedude]

If it was the responsibility of fed govt it appears they failed to do the job, at least according to the nurses.

But I don't think it is the fed govt's job. I would guess the fed govt is only responsible for developing procedures and guidelines etc.

Fern

Correct, it's the hospital's responsibility to train its staff and provide them with protection equipment.

 

[Belegost]

Seriously dude, saving a million dollars over 25+ years can't be that unusual (that is only $14K/yr assuming an interest rate of 7%). I am rather shocked that more people don't do it. I hope to have between 2-3 mil banked at retirement. I am currently dropping 40k into retirement every year and will bump that number drastically in 5 years when my house is paid off.

Median household (household, not individual) income is around 46k/yr (1), so 14k/yr represents 30% of gross income for half of American families. Aggregated tax rates at that income level is estimated around 25%(3), leaving a net of 35k/yr, so a savings rate of more than 40% of net income. Saving rates in the US peaked in 1975 at just less than 15%.

So you're shocked that half the families in America don't save 40% of their net income? That seems a little out of touch with the reality most people face.

Even assuming people who saved at 3x the current average (less than 5%) this hypothetical high savings average income household would be putting in around 5k/yr. The real average of course being more like 1 - 2k/yr.

Holding onto that 15% net savings rate assumption, let's figure out the yearly gross earnings needed to hit 14k/yr:

First we'll make a quick guestimate to get a rough take on tax responsibility, take the 5k/yr of our median household, multiply by 3, we have 138k/yr. Looking at (3) again, that income range has an aggregate tax rate around 30%.

We do a little math 14k = 0.15*(Gross*(1-.30)) => Gross = 14k/(.15*.70) which my calculator puts at 133k/year. Which doesn't quite hit the 5 percentile of income, but well above the 10 percentile boundary. (1)

So why don't more people save at that rate? Because it's rather unreasonable for 90% of the families in the US.

This is before we discuss that the 40k/yr you're investing right now is higher than the gross income of almost 40% of American households.

Welcome to the Rich People Club, remember that while ties are now optional, a blazer is still required. Also, while you may feel free to ride junior members (such as myself) like farm animals, updated bylaws stipulate that you may not whip them with a leather or flexible wood switch of more than 1/4" diameter, and rigid rods are now banned entirely.

*Of course this sets aside tax-free 401(k) and similar retirement shelters, but those do not allow the individual to sell out the investments without punitive tax penalties.*

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affluence_in_the_United_States
(2) http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/personal-savings
(3) http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

 

[dmcowen674]

10-15-2014

Obama authorizes Guard, reserve call-up for Ebola

 

[Fern]

Correct, it's the hospital's responsibility to train its staff and provide them with protection equipment.

Yes, in which case I find it stupid/inefficient to expect every hospital to drill and be prepared for something that's not supposed to happen, at least according to the CDC a week or so ago.

SOP should have been to transport the infected to one of the 4 hospitals specializing in this sort of thing.

Fern

 

[Fern]

10-15-2014

Obama authorizes Guard, reserve call-up for Ebola

What the heck are they supposed to do?

Fern

 

[MomentsofSanity]

What the heck are they supposed to do?

Fern

They are authorized, if needed, to assist in the co tai meant of ebola in Africa to help prevent the spread further.

 

[Victorian Gray]

What the heck are they supposed to do?

Fern

Gee, that was hard to find

"The Defense Department is expected to send eight engineers and logistical specialists from the Guard ‒ both active-duty and reservists ‒ during the first deployment, sources told NBC News. They are likely to help build 17 Ebola treatment centers, with 100 beds apiece. "

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/eb...s-national-guard-reserves-ebola-fight-n227336

 

[theeedude]

Yes, in which case I find it stupid/inefficient to expect every hospital to drill and be prepared for something that's not supposed to happen, at least according to the CDC a week or so ago.

SOP should have been to transport the infected to one of the 4 hospitals specializing in this sort of thing.

Fern

The patient needs to be present at the hospital with symptoms and evaluated before that happens. So there is no replacement for drilling and preparation at the hospitals, if you want to avoid the risk of infection.

 

[Knowing]

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/the-nra-making-the-ebola-crisis-worse

The NRA did ebola. The solution is simple:











We kill the bat








...I mean dissolve the NRA. Also the new Surgeon General will magic a solution in to effect and stop the seemingly endless stream of ebola misadventures.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Question: Can you not diagnose someone with Ebola until they show symptoms? Can blood tests show anything?

 

[lopri]

I suppose it takes time to develop antibodies?

 

[Kadarin]

From this story: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/16/health/us-ebola/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

The article isn't particularly interesting, but in the video they interview the owner of the bridal gown shop that Amber Vinson (the nurse who flew from Texas to Ohio with ebola) visited. Particularly telling is her recounting of the lackadaisical attitude from the Summit County health department.

If I were to briefly put on my tinfoil hat, I'd say that it's as if they want us to all get ebola, so that the government has its excuse to bring the hammer down on the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

As someone said earlier, never let a good crisis go to waste.

 

[massmedia]

Question: Can you not diagnose someone with Ebola until they show symptoms? Can blood tests show anything?

Not currently... maybe in the future

 

[Matt1970]

Seriously dude, saving a million dollars over 25+ years can't be that unusual (that is only $14K/yr assuming an interest rate of 7%). I am rather shocked that more people don't do it. I hope to have between 2-3 mil banked at retirement. I am currently dropping 40k into retirement every year and will bump that number drastically in 5 years when my house is paid off.

But you didn't get $1,000,000 in 25 years. Over 90% of that came from I am assuming some lucky stock purchases. This was a post from you 1 year ago. You were at 95K 6 years ago, 400K 1 year ago and now over a million.

You're kidding right? Working strictly from my work 410K, it went from 95K at the bottom of 2008 to 400K now. And that was just my work 401k, nevermind my wifes 410K or our Roth IRAs. If that kind of capital appreciation continues unabated for just a few more years (like till the end of Obama's presidency), my retirement accounts will be in extremely healthy condition. Just so you know, I'm in my 40s.

$14,000 savings a year a year? Bitch please. You got lucky on the stock market, the same exact thing you loathe about the rich.

In other words, my loathing for the upper class is based on cold reality. They are my and America's mortal enemy. They have corrupted our government and kicked out the foundations of our nation. Until the middle and working classes unite and actively go to war against the elites, we will continue our slide into morass and decay.