Texas Ebola patient dies

[lopri]

We already have socialized medicine.

Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003

Conservatives were all for it, iirc.

 

[Fern]

Those who travel on planes, buses, or trains publicly should be considered as flying with "intimate contact" of others.

Any intimate contact travel device should be scrutinized when there is a scare of a deadly disease outbreak.

I really really really REALLY hope the reason we aren't banning or scrutinizing the shit out of flying is due to business related reasons with airlines.

I haven't heard one remotely good reason to ban travel for those from West African countries, and personally I think the airlines would be better if a ban were in place. Those who would otherwise be freaked could then fly with the reassurance that no WF passengers were aboard. I.e., I think it would be better for all airlines except those with WA flights. I'm not sure how many such flights the US carriers even have.

Fern

 

[shira]

Why didn't they do that years ago? What were they waiting for?

Because companies are for-profit, and until two months ago, the only demand for the vaccine was in third-world countries where no one can afford to pay the big bucks for a vaccine. Add to that the fact the Republicans cut the budget for the CDC among many other social-support programs.

So where, exactly, was money to support development of a vaccine supposed to come from?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They receive about $30 Billion every year. I think that's a lot.

Now I hear them complaining that if only they had more money they could have cured Ebola. Really?

The NIH wastes a lot of money. One example is $3.4 million to study backrubs by chiropractors. That is but one of many examples of dubious spending.

When the NIH can explain why they spent that money on backrubs instead of Ebola, and it better be damn persuasive, then maybe we talk more money

But it looks very much to me like they have a 'priority' problem, not a funding problem.

Here are more dubious expenditures of money. Somehow the NIH thought these were better uses of money than Ebola: http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidma...sages-for-rabbits-meditation-for-hot-flashes/

Fern

Fortunately Forbes doesn't control the NIH, who apparently knows nothing about anything if it doesn't make a buck and certainly nothing about science, especially basic research. Of course having to foot the bill for the f22, Iraq and now ISIS we need to be more of a second rate nation. We're not very bright it seems. BTW im willing to bet the massage wasn't to give 1% bunnies a holiday.

 

[BoberFett]

Because companies are for-profit, and until two months ago, the only demand for the vaccine was in third-world countries where no one can afford to pay the big bucks for a vaccine. Add to that the fact the Republicans cut the budget for the CDC among many other social-support programs.

So where, exactly, was money to support development of a vaccine supposed to come from?

Countries with socialized medicine, obviously. We keep hearing how those countries are so much better than ours in healthcare. They should have had this thing licked years ago. But they didn't. Why not?

Could it be because the US with our "awful", "horrible", "unfair", "expensive" private health care system does in fact shoulder much of the burden of the world's medical research?

Let the Europeans step up. If their systems didn't solve Ebola, maybe their system isn't the be-all and end-all of healthcare?

 

[werepossum]

Because companies are for-profit, and until two months ago, the only demand for the vaccine was in third-world countries where no one can afford to pay the big bucks for a vaccine. Add to that the fact the Republicans cut the budget for the CDC among many other social-support programs.

So where, exactly, was money to support development of a vaccine supposed to come from?

Isn't it amazing that with a federal government spending more than double what it spent just 14 years ago, there is not one single ill world wide that isn't caused at least partially by Republican cuts and fixable only by abandoning capitalism as we know it, even though none of these wondrous socialist single payer nations have solved the problems either? Even an African disease can be blamed on Republican cuts and can be fixed only by socializing American medicine.

Any religion would be delighted by that measure of fidelity, usually found only in cults.

 

[BoberFett]

Isn't it amazing that with a federal government spending more than double what it spent just 14 years ago, there is not one single ill world wide that isn't caused at least partially by Republican cuts and fixable only by abandoning capitalism as we know it, even though none of these wondrous socialist single payer nations have solved the problems either? Even an African disease can be blamed on Republican cuts and can be fixed only by socializing American medicine.

Any religion would be delighted by that measure of fidelity, usually found only in cults.

For as much shit as Democrats talk, the level of cognitive dissonance in that crowd is astounding.

 

[Fern]

Fortunately Forbes doesn't control the NIH, who apparently knows nothing about anything if it doesn't make a buck and certainly nothing about science, especially basic research. Of course having to foot the bill for the f22, Iraq and now ISIS we need to be more of a second rate nation. We're not very bright it seems. BTW im willing to bet the massage wasn't to give 1% bunnies a holiday.

I think you're side-stepping the point.

If NIH had received more funding what in the heck is there to suggest that they would have come up with a cure for Ebola?

The evidence suggests they would have used those extra funds on something else, not Ebola. If they had prioritized Ebola they would have not allocated so much of their funds towards rather frivolous things are unarguably a lower priority.

I'm beginning to think the philosophy we employ here is if we throw enough money at government it will eventually stumble upon doing something worthwhile. That enough money makes it unavoidable. And that if they missed doing something worthwhile of a high priority it is clearly that enough money wasn't thrown their way.

Fern

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I think you're side-stepping the point.

If NIH had received more funding what in the heck is there to suggest that they would have come up with a cure for Ebola?

The evidence suggests they would have used those extra funds on something else, not Ebola. If they had prioritized Ebola they would have not allocated so much of their funds towards rather frivolous things are unarguably a lower priority.

I'm beginning to think the philosophy we employ here is if we throw enough money at government it will eventually stumble upon doing something worthwhile. That enough money makes it unavoidable. And that if they missed doing something worthwhile of a high priority it is clearly that enough money wasn't thrown their way.

Fern

The funds necessary to research an ebola vaccine are tremendous. "Frivolous" things like basic research you argue against won't do it. We're taking probably a week of iraq worth. In the meantime there's a lot to be understood. How about researching chronic pain? How does that work and what can be done? Unsurprisingly Forbes cites oxycontin then decries research that may lead to a better understanding of things that reduce the need for such meds. Never let an MBA into a science lab.

 

[squarecut1]

Isn't it amazing that with a federal government spending more than double what it spent just 14 years ago, there is not one single ill world wide that isn't caused at least partially by Republican cuts and .

Is that actually true? Doubled in 14 years?

Regardless how much of the federal spending in those years has went into our various adventures (and counting) around the world? I know that is where the Republican concept of reduced spending, small government goes out the window. We know why as well.

 

[echo4747]

St Lucia (small Caribbean country) is now banning visitors from ebola stricken nations:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/st-lucia-visitors-ebola-stricken-nations-26222443

 

[echo4747]

hospital in Amarillo TX on lockdown as patient enters emergency room with ebola like symptoms:

http://www.texomashomepage.com/stor...ecause-of-a-pati/29056/WNgtxB1M5km1vyXm62INAg

 

[OrByte]

Its Obama's fault

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-risking-u-ebola-outbreak-091500185.html

w....t....f....

 

[OrByte]

hospital in Amarillo TX on lockdown as patient enters emergency room with ebola like symptoms:

http://www.texomashomepage.com/stor...ecause-of-a-pati/29056/WNgtxB1M5km1vyXm62INAg

poor nurse...worst day ever.

So what happens when people with flu like symptoms are coming into ERs?

I'm assuming that someone is walking into an ER with flu like symptoms in every ER every day across every state in the US.

So, are we assuming that based on a persons answers to the question, "Have you been to West Africa recently?" is determining who gets isolated, and who gets to sit in the ER with the rest of the sick people?

what happens when the question, "Have you been to West Africa recently?" no longer applies....?

 

[theeedude]

Its Obama's fault

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obama-risking-u-ebola-outbreak-091500185.html

w....t....f....

Are there flights from Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea to the US?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by bshole
Yes they have been absolutely wrong every step of the way. Good christ I wonder if they are even doctors. I put in an order to sell ALL of my stock this morning (about a million dollars) after I heard about the 2nd nurse. A pandemic will take the market right back to 2008 levels or lower.

Don't you love the hypocrisy. Declares the rich his absolute sworn enemy, then sells $1 Million in stocks.

Seeing the rich panic just as much as the poor because viruses don't discriminate.

 

[squarecut1]

They were showing this collection of clips from news coverage on ebola on the Daily Show. Thank heavens I don't watch American "news" TV. Not that I needed any reminder though.

 

[Victorian Gray]

When you make stupid, immature wisecracks about me "growing up" expect it right back, junior.

I've never seen you post an 'adult' comment in this forum. What can I say, most of your posts are at the level of a 16 year old kid in high school. Post something substantive for a change. You might find it enjoyable.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Someone just sneezed in N. Dakota. State now under quarantine.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Originally Posted by bshole
Yes they have been absolutely wrong every step of the way. Good christ I wonder if they are even doctors. I put in an order to sell ALL of my stock this morning (about a million dollars) after I heard about the 2nd nurse. A pandemic will take the market right back to 2008 levels or lower.






Seeing the rich panic just as much as the poor because viruses don't discriminate.

It gets better :

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/doctor-ebola-might-be-transmitted-by-air/

DALLAS (KRLD) —*The*executive director of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons says that despite what the CDC is saying,*Ebola might be transmitted by breathing.

...
Dr. Orient says that when an aerosol dries up, droplet nuclei remain suspended in the air for a long time. A recent research study suggests that Ebola could remain infectious in an aerosol for more than an hour.


And better :

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/15/health/texas-ebola-nurses-union-claims/index.html?c=&page=1

On the day that patient Thomas Eric Duncan was admitted to the hospital with possible Ebola symptoms, he was "left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients were present," union co-president Deborah Burger said.

Up to seven other patients were present in that area, the nurses said, according to the union.
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And it's the same mistakes as everywhere, this from Spain :

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/10/1...nurse-ebola-health-budget-cuts.html?referrer=

After the priest died on Aug. 12, the unit was closed again, and the same exercise repeated when a second Ebola-infected priest was airlifted from West Africa in September. He died two days later, and last week an auxiliary nurse who changed his diaper and helped clean his bed wasfound to have the disease.

 

[fskimospy]

Here's how foreigners get visas to travel here: http://travel.state.gov/content/visas/english/visit/visitor.html

We'll know where they're from. It cannot be hidden.

Furthermore, the visa process looks like a good place to screen anyway; because basically the visa process is nothing but one big screening process.

Here's a sample visa. Notice it includes the person nationality and location of office where visa was issued: http://www.immihelp.com/visas/sample-usa-non-immigrant-visa.html

Yeah, we'll know.

Fern

That is extraordinarily naive.

This is common sense. A few uncontrolled people are far more dangerous than a bunch of controlled people.

Use your head.

 

[BoberFett]

I've never seen you post an 'adult' comment in this forum. What can I say, most of your posts are at the level of a 16 year old kid in high school. Post something substantive for a change. You might find it enjoyable.

Blow me. Most of your posts are partisan sniping as well, with nary a valid point. Intelligent conversations are always shouted down by morons from both sides, so I've mostly given up at rational discourse around here. I still attempt now and then, if you haven't seen them it's not my problem.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Blow me. Most of your posts are partisan sniping as well, with nary a valid point. Intelligent conversations are always shouted down by morons from both sides, so I've mostly given up at rational discourse around here. I still attempt now and then, if you haven't seen them it's not my problem.

"Partisan sniping"? Partisan for who?

 

[HomerJS]

Also there is this fact of Mr Duncan lying about not being in contact with anyone with Ebola.

Still, with the way things are around here, I won't be too surprised if some jury decides to hand them free cash. Gotta love the legal system.

Duncan said two things. I'm sick and I just arrived from Liberia. That should have been enough for the hospital.

 

[Slew Foot]

Duncan said two things. I'm sick and I just arrived from Liberia. That should have been enough for the hospital.

Cant wait for every random homeless guy to say, "I feel sick and just gotback from Liberia."