Texas Ebola patient dies

[Hayabusa Rider]

Why didn't his wonderful country and their public health system develop and distribute a vaccine? Why were they waiting for the evil free market to do it? Shouldn't Europe and their amazing socialist health care have stepped up to the plate?

LMAO, fuck that guy.

Maybe they are too busy looking down their noses to do research. It's cheaper too.

 

[nixium]

Where's the bathroom?

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Did you read past the first part or did you just stop at Canada? "own and employ healthcare resources and personnel" When the government owns and employs the healthcare resources and personnel, how you can somehow think that isn't a government system is beyond comprehension.

Before you backpedal and move the goalposts, squarecut1 said:



To which you said:



Take your dispute up with Wikipedia of you wish, but single payer can very much be a government run system. Let me put this another way. If I own the building you work in, own the tools you use to do your job and pay you your salary, I run your system.

Yeah I think in theory you could clearly divide the roles of government and private healthcare providers pretty clearly, but when all the money is coming from the government, its practically government run.

Lets take the San Francisco Bay Bridge and its 6.3 billion dollar mess. The work was done by private firms bidding on the project, from environmental reporting to design to construction to teardown of the old bridge. Yet you have ridiculous decade long delays and poor management, scandals, blah blah blah. You end up with Medicare/Medicaid which really are terrible role models.

 

[WelshBloke]

Where's the bathroom?

You'll have to ask bshole. He's the one with the bunker, I just have a shed.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Where's the bathroom?

Looks like there's a drain at the bottom of the ladder. That's why it's only guys in the bunker

 

[squarecut1]

Regarding all these loud calls for travel bans from West Africa, somebody said to me : It is amazing what a difference couple of hundred years make to travel plans

 

[theeedude]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/12/examining-the-nations-ebola-response/17059283/

I keep hearing on TV that the CDC (and other federal agencies) is not 'in charge' of our response to Ebola. Many seem to think otherwise.

No one is in charge.

Fern

Sounds like Rick Perry dropped the ball at state level then

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sounds like Rick Perry dropped the ball at state level then

It's the fault of the mysterious Mr. TRIAGE

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

CNN's Sanjay Gupta demos CDC protocol for PPE and how well it works: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/health/2014/10/14/sgmd-gupta-ebola-suit-demo.cnn.html

Interesting. I think it suggests current protocols are challenging to work with and may not be perfect. Certainly there's additional PPE you could wear and you could step it up a notch like wearing a full on BSL-4 suit or something, but that's not too practical in a hospital either.

 

[Fern]

Sounds like Rick Perry dropped the ball at state level then

No, the point is why just start throwing money around when we don't even know is responsible for what?

And I'm hearing those agencies have plenty of money.

Fern

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

No, the point is why just start throwing money around when we don't even know is responsible for what?

And I'm hearing those agencies have plenty of money.

Fern

At far as the NIH at least they don't have "plenty of money". I'm not a 180 million are gonna die! guy but research in this country is in bad shape and I have pretty good connections in many disciplines. This is once where I agree with many who say we're wasting money on better ways to kill that we don't need.

 

[Knowing]

research in this country is in bad shape and I have pretty good connections in many disciplines.

That's easy to think when you see charts like this:

but no one who posts that ever posts this chart:

So if dollars spent correlates with research produced, we could cut our research in half and still hold first place with a healthy margin.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

That's easy to think when you see charts like this:

but no one who posts that ever posts this chart:

So if dollars spent correlates with research produced, we could cut our research in half and still hold first place with a healthy margin.

The real question is for how long?

 

[theeedude]

Looks like the Texas hospital system doesn't like big federal government telling it what to do, and ignored the CDC protocols on Ebola:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/health/texas-ebola-nurses-union-claims/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

(CNN) -- "The guidelines were constantly changing" and "there were no protocols" at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas as the hospital treated a patient with Ebola, the president of National Nurses United told reporters Tuesday.
Protective gear nurses wore at first left their necks exposed, union co-president Deborah Burger said, citing information she said came from nurses at the hospital.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The problem again isn't that single payer exists, but who will run it and even then it isn't a matter of pay, but reform and restoration. It's as if the roads all have huge potholes in them and people are arguing about who's going to collect the fares, union or non union.

That's up to you guys to figure out. Our system works for us, Americans have to figure out their own system.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Did you read past the first part or did you just stop at Canada? "own and employ healthcare resources and personnel" When the government owns and employs the healthcare resources and personnel, how you can somehow think that isn't a government system is beyond comprehension.

Before you backpedal and move the goalposts, squarecut1 said:

To which you said:

Take your dispute up with Wikipedia of you wish, but single payer can very much be a government run system. Let me put this another way. If I own the building you work in, own the tools you use to do your job and pay you your salary, I run your system.

"The term "single-payer" thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care financed by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work."

Keep studying the above statement and maybe you will eventually figure out what it means.

 

[fskimospy]

That's easy to think when you see charts like this:

but no one who posts that ever posts this chart:

So if dollars spent correlates with research produced, we could cut our research in half and still hold first place with a healthy margin.

You're right, if trends hold like this and if dollars spent correlates with research produced (dubious), then we could cut our research spending in half and still be in first place for the next 6-8 years or so.

The world's ending in the next 6-8 years, right guys? .... right?

 

[squarecut1]

To think of it, it was a Republican president who once proposed a health plan very similar to Obamacare. His last name was Nixon.

How extreme and callous the right has become in today's America

 

[theeedude]

To think of it, it was a Republican president who once proposed a health plan very similar to Obamacare. His last name was Nixon.

How extreme and callous the right has become in today's America

The modern day GOP is the party of Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8m8cQI4DgM

 

[blankslate]

LMAO, fuck that guy.

No Fuck your retarded views...

If enough people subscribe to them, then your offspring will be pitied for the shape those views will leave the world in 30 or 40 years down the road....

update

http://www.keyetv.com/news/features...thcare-worker-test-positive-ebola-21506.shtml

Updated: Wednesday, October 15 2014, 04:15 AM CDT
A second healthcare worker has tested positive for Ebola.

The Texas Department of Health Services announced a second healthcare worker at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital has tested positive for Ebola Tuesday.

The worker was isolated after reporting a fever.

The worker was among those that cared for Thomas Eric Duncan.

A preliminary test was done in Austin and the Centers for Disease Control are conducting a secondary test in Atlanta.

And again this applies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3D0DxjgPB0


...

 

[dmcowen674]

Way too late.

They are no where near on containment.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Why didn't his wonderful country and their public health system develop and distribute a vaccine? Why were they waiting for the evil free market to do it? Shouldn't Europe and their amazing socialist health care have stepped up to the plate?

LMAO, fuck that guy.

From the Independent article, which you obviously couldn't be bothered to read:

"A team led by Professor Hill is to begin trials of an experimental Ebola vaccine fast-tracked into development in a desperate bid to slow the spread of the virus in Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia. If it passes safety and effectiveness trials, 10,000 doses of the vaccine – co-developed by the Britain's GSK and America's National Institutes of Health (NIH) – could be used to protect health workers in West Africa by December."

 

[Matt1970]

"The term "single-payer" thus only describes the funding mechanism—referring to health care financed by a single public body from a single fund—and does not specify the type of delivery, or for whom doctors work."

Keep studying the above statement and maybe you will eventually figure out what it means.

Oh I understand it quite well, but you are blatantly ignoring the other definition which states "own and employ healthcare resources and personnel". When you employ someone, they work for you. There was no need for the second definition if single-payer only describes the funding mechanism.

 

[doubledeluxe]

Single payer, aka Universal Healthcare, comes in a variety of flavors. I'm pretty sure they all work better than what we have.

The version that I like the most, and have gotten the most from, is simply a clinic, hospital, or whatnot that is run by doctors and healthcare professionals but funded by the tax payer funds. It works amazingly well. Keep the bureaucrats out.

The problem we have now is that we are still holding onto 1950's stereotypes about what socialism is and fear change. It's time we moved into the 21st century.

 

[Matt1970]

The problem we have now is that we are still holding onto 1950's stereotypes about what socialism is and fear change. It's time we moved into the 21st century.

Pass.