Texas Ebola patient dies

[Londo_Jowo]

Seems about right if still on the high side. Having probably close to 20 CT scans in my life I have a lot of experience in what they cost.

Yet, if I had an ACA bronze or silver plan with a $6,350 individual deductible I would have had to pay the full negotiated price versus my copay as I have a $300 deductible.

 

[squarecut1]

Forget about single payer. If only the public insurance option could have been part of Obamacare. But key Senators in the pocketbooks of the private insurance industry prevented that. They were rather open too about why they did that

 

[theeedude]

I'm still waiting for an explanation of how we can get a trillion from our healthcare spending without losing millions of jobs.

Do you ask same question for government spending cuts?

 

[bshole]

Ok the death rate for Ebola has risen to 70%. This is officially way the fuck bigger than 911 and a galaxy larger than ISIS.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/ebola-death-rate-up-to-70-percent-who-says/349932/

The death rate in the Ebola outbreak has risen to 70 percent and there could be up to 10,000 new cases a week in two months, the World Health Organization warned Tuesday.

WHO assistant director-general Dr. Bruce Aylward gave the grim figures during a news conference in Geneva. Previously, WHO had estimated the death rate at around 50 percent.

 

[theeedude]

Maybe time to restore spending cuts to CDC, NIH, WHO, public health, etc?

 

[WelshBloke]

Ok the death rate for Ebola has risen to 70%. This is officially way the fuck bigger than 911 and a galaxy larger than ISIS.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/ebola-death-rate-up-to-70-percent-who-says/349932/

 

[BoberFett]

Money is fungible.

Case closed!

So you've got nothing, huh?

 

[doubledeluxe]

He is right. Ebola is more serious than 911 or ISIS/ISIL

 

[BoberFett]

Do you ask same question for government spending cuts?

Yes. A massive portion of what government does right now is a jobs program. The actual productive portion of the US population is small. Most people are just doing busy work.

I think we should cut the military drastically. At the same time, it would be millions out of work.

Got any other stupid questions, asshole? Because I know it wasn't a real question, but you were trying to draw me out so you could say "HERP DERP RIGHTY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HIS FAVORITE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS DERP!!!!"

 

[fskimospy]

So you've got nothing, huh?

No, I mean the answer is simply that obvious.

Money is fungible. Spending a trillion less on health care means that we as a society have a trillion extra dollars to spend on other things, to invest, etc. There is no particular reason to think that reallocation of funds like that must cause the loss of millions of jobs.

 

[theeedude]

Yes. A massive portion of what government does right now is a jobs program. The actual productive portion of the US population is small. Most people are just doing busy work.

I think we should cut the military drastically. At the same time, it would be millions out of work.

Got any other stupid questions, asshole? Because I know it wasn't a real question, but you were trying to draw me out so you could say "HERP DERP RIGHTY DOESN'T CARE ABOUT HIS FAVORITE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS DERP!!!!"

And what are you going to do for those millions out of work?

 

[BoberFett]

No, I mean the answer is simply that obvious.

Money is fungible. Spending a trillion less on health care means that we as a society have a trillion extra dollars to spend on other things, to invest, etc. There is no particular reason to think that reallocation of funds like that must cause the loss of millions of jobs.

Doing what? Isn't the cry of the left that there already aren't enough jobs to go around?

Will we open more WalMarts? More McDonalds?

 

[BoberFett]

And what are you going to do for those millions out of work?

Laugh and twirl my mustache.

 

[fskimospy]

Doing what? Isn't the cry of the left that there already aren't enough jobs to go around?

Will we open more WalMarts? More McDonalds?

Doing literally anything else, why does it matter? It's outside of the scope of this conversation.

You're confusing a decrease in health care spending with a decrease in aggregate spending when one most certainly does not need to equal the other. The left, in line with basic macroeconomics, wants an increase in aggregate spending.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Doing what? Isn't the cry of the left that there already aren't enough jobs to go around?

Will we open more WalMarts? More McDonalds?

Doesn't really matter to those who don't think. Anyone with eyes who looks will find there is no overstaffing to speak of. Break more backs and people will avoid health care. Problem solved since there's no one to give care so there's no costs.

 

[squarecut1]

Doesn't really matter to those who don't think. Anyone with eyes who looks will find there is no overstaffing to speak of.

I don't think anyone makes the claim that overstaffing is the cause of high health care costs.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And what are you going to do for those millions out of work?

He wont do any more than you. I suppose we could have a sort of underground where providers barter among ourselves. You can use wiki

 

[bshole]

He is right. Ebola is more serious than 911 or ISIS/ISIL

Double, hold me please......

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I don't think anyone makes the claim that overstaffing is the cause of health care costs.

A few have but most don't know anything but to cut. So things get cut and staffing is always first. Personally I'm glad my kids are smart enough to pick some other field.

 

[BoberFett]

Doesn't really matter to those who don't think. Anyone with eyes who looks will find there is no overstaffing to speak of. Break more backs and people will avoid health care. Problem solved since there's no one to give care so there's no costs.

But there must be. Every lefty just knows we could save a trillion dollars or more just by having government run the show.

I'd love to see their proposed cuts in detail.

 

[bshole]

But there must be. Every lefty just knows we could save a trillion dollars or more just by having government run the show.

I'd love to see their proposed cuts in detail.

It is called TRIAGE, look it up.

 

[blankslate]

http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View.asp?nseq=169700
^report on W.H.O. warning about ebola.

and

isn't it great we were able to cut spending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3D0DxjgPB0


An expert from Britain is criticizing the full on for profit model of big pharma for failing to move quickly on an ebola vaccine until after an outbreak that threatens to spread widely to other countries
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ak-big-pharma-failed-victims-why-9716615.html

The scientist leading Britain's response to the Ebola pandemic has launched a devastating attack on "Big Pharma", accusing drugs giants including GlaxoSmithKline (GSK), Sanofi, Merck and Pfizer of failing to manufacture a vaccine, not because it was impossible, but because there was "no business case".

West Africa's Ebola outbreak, which has now claimed well over 2,000 lives, could have been "nipped in the bud", if a vaccine had been developed and stockpiled sooner – a feat that would likely have been "do-able", said Professor Adrian Hill of Oxford University.

....

 

[BoberFett]

It is called TRIAGE, look it up.

Word-A-Day calendar, huh Spanky?

Do you think triage doesn't happen in a market system?

How does triage cut health spending?

Typical idiotic response from ashole, throwing words around without understanding a thing.

 

[BoberFett]

http://www.arirang.co.kr/News/News_View.asp?nseq=169700
^report on W.H.O. warning about ebola.

and

isn't it great we were able to cut spending
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3D0DxjgPB0


An expert from Britain is criticizing the full on for profit model of big pharma for failing to move quickly on an ebola vaccine until after an outbreak that threatens to spread widely to other countries
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...ak-big-pharma-failed-victims-why-9716615.html



....

Why didn't his wonderful country and their public health system develop and distribute a vaccine? Why were they waiting for the evil free market to do it? Shouldn't Europe and their amazing socialist health care have stepped up to the plate?

LMAO, fuck that guy.

 

[Fern]

Maybe time to restore spending cuts to CDC, NIH, WHO, public health, etc?

"One of the things we have to understand is the federal, state and local public health relationships," says Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. "Public health is inherently a state issue. The state really is in charge of public health at the state and local level. It's a constitutional issue. The CDC can't just walk in on these cases. They have to be invited in."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/12/examining-the-nations-ebola-response/17059283/

I keep hearing on TV that the CDC (and other federal agencies) is not 'in charge' of our response to Ebola. Many seem to think otherwise.

No one is in charge.

Fern