Texas Ebola patient dies

[Thebobo]

LOL

 

[fskimospy]

1) passports
2) I sincerely doubt that there is so much air travel coming from the affected parts of west Africa that there would be world wide economic impact. Eyjafjallajokull blocked routes between Europe and the US for almost a week, flying over ebola wouldn't do that.

Travel bans are costly and ineffective.

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/18/6994413/research-travel-bans-ebola-virus-outbreak

We need to use our heads here, not act hysterically.

 

[Matt1970]

Travel bans are costly and ineffective.

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/18/6994413/research-travel-bans-ebola-virus-outbreak

We need to use our heads here, not act hysterically.

Agreed. There are over 300,000,000 people in the US right now, 2 have Ebola.

 

[Brainonska511]

Travel bans are costly and ineffective.

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/18/6994413/research-travel-bans-ebola-virus-outbreak

We need to use our heads here, not act hysterically.

Lalala fingers-in-ears. We should run things based on how we feel, not on actual evidence. /s

 

[squarecut1]

Here is a very good piece offering a psychological reason for the reaction to Ebola in the west. It talks about the panic in Europe, but of course applies equally well to America.

Claudine Burton-Jeangros, a sociology professor at the University of Geneva, said that panic over the disease springs from a paradox at the heart of modern life: the more we master the world through science and technology the more frightened we are of those things we can’t control or understand. “We live in very secure societies and like to think we know what will happen tomorrow. There is no place in our rational and scientific world for the unknown.”

Dr. Petra Dickmann, who runs a risk-communication consultancy in London, said many other diseases pose a far bigger threat to life but Ebola had taken on fearsome dimensions.

“We have been watching Africans dying for months, but think that Africans die all the time from nasty diseases that we don’t have,” she said. “We need to get Ebola out of this box of a scary African monster” and start communicating the real risks clearly, she said.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The US wouldn't need to impose a travel ban, all they would need to do is stop issuing/cancel all current travel visas from the countries with ebola. Without a travel visa you can't board a plane to the US. All affected countries are not on the list of countries that have reciprocal short stay visa agreements with the US.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The US wouldn't need to impose a travel ban, all they would need to do is stop issuing/cancel all current travel visas from the countries with ebola. Without a travel visa you can't board a plane to the US. All affected countries are not on the list of countries that have reciprocal short stay visa agreements with the US.

The only way that works is if you have an absolutely secure border. Even East Germany didn't have that. The obvious way to circumvent your idea is to go to another nation in the Americas and get through be another means. No scheme has ever worked and they've been tried.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The only way that works is if you have an absolutely secure border. Even East Germany didn't have that. The obvious way to circumvent your idea is to go to another nation in the Americas and get through be another means. No scheme has ever worked and they've been tried.

I don't think most people would go to those ends to get from the affected countries in Africa to the US, plus they would have to fly via Europe or take a ship to get to the other nations in the Americas.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Should we remove "home of the brave" from the national anthem? I mean cheese eating surrender monkeys have Medecins Sans Frontieres in Africa treating Ebola patients in hellish conditions, Cuba is sending 150 doctors and nurses to Africa, and the US is running around like a headless chicken screaming about closing borders because there are 3 cases in a country of 300 million.

Wow, not only are a dumbass you're a jackass too.

Cuba will not allow those workers to return if they get sick :

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...ola-in-Africa-from-Returning-if-They-Get-Sick


And the USA send 4000 soldiers to help :

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/4000-u-s-troops-expected-to-battle-ebola-in-west-africa/


I can't believe out of 10 million sperm you were the quickest.

 

[theeedude]

Cuban doctors are going to Africa under those conditions. Americans are running like headless chickens despite having 10 times the medical spending per capita.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Cuban doctors are going to Africa under those conditions. Americans are running like headless chickens despite having 10 times the medical spending per capita.

Boston weather forecast is for showers. Microwaves can be used for cooking.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Cuban doctors are going to Africa under those conditions. Americans are running like headless chickens despite having 10 times the medical spending per capita.

Oh, I forgot. There are more missionaries giving medical care than Cuba or the US. So who's going to cry about them now when they won't risk anything in return?

 

[Jmman]

Travel bans are costly and ineffective.

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/18/6994413/research-travel-bans-ebola-virus-outbreak

We need to use our heads here, not act hysterically.

Fair enough article, but I disagree with some of their conclusions. By canceling west African visas and passports, no matter what other country they connect to, they will not be able to enter the US. Period. I am also highly skeptical that they will go to Mexico, hire a 'coyote', and cross the border that way. Highly skeptical.

The article also mentions that airport screenings are ineffective, as we have seem. Duncan passed right through an airport screening, so using that as a preventative measure seems kind of silly. Another piece that you are not considering is that travels bans have been shown to aid in slowing the outbreak. Just look at the other bordering nations that all implemented travel bans. They are now starting to control the outbreak.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-16-14-24-38

Nobody is saying not to try and stop the outbreak at its source. That is the best first step. But to not take steps to protect this country is a little arrogant to me. It smacks of the "it can't possibly happen here" mentality. You would think that the small outbreak in Dallas would have changed a few minds about that.

 

[MongGrel]

Fair enough article, but I disagree with some of their conclusions. By canceling west African visas and passports, no matter what other country they connect to, they will not be able to enter the US. Period. I am also highly skeptical that they will go to Mexico, hire a 'coyote', and cross the border that way. Highly skeptical.

The article also mentions that airport screenings are ineffective, as we have seem. Duncan passed right through an airport screening, so using that as a preventative measure seems kind of silly. Another piece that you are not considering is that travels bans have been shown to aid in slowing the outbreak. Just look at the other bordering nations that all implemented travel bans. They are now starting to control the outbreak.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-16-14-24-38

Nobody is saying not to try and stop the outbreak at its source. That is the best first step. But to not take steps to protect this country is a little arrogant to me. It smacks of the "it can't possibly happen here" mentality. You would think that the small outbreak in Dallas would have changed a few minds about that.

Well the emergency room waiting list used to be 52 minutes at the Dallas hospital, now it's zero and almost no one going near it.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Wow, not only are a dumbass you're a jackass too.

Cuba will not allow those workers to return if they get sick :

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...ola-in-Africa-from-Returning-if-They-Get-Sick

Now, your challenge is to find that information confirmed by an actual news source. Good luck.

 

[Victorian Gray]

800 British NHS medical personnel volunteer to go to Sierra Leone

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/17/nhs-medics-volunteer-sierra-leone-ebola-nursing-call-up

 

[fskimospy]

Fair enough article, but I disagree with some of their conclusions. By canceling west African visas and passports, no matter what other country they connect to, they will not be able to enter the US. Period. I am also highly skeptical that they will go to Mexico, hire a 'coyote', and cross the border that way. Highly skeptical.

The article also mentions that airport screenings are ineffective, as we have seem. Duncan passed right through an airport screening, so using that as a preventative measure seems kind of silly. Another piece that you are not considering is that travels bans have been shown to aid in slowing the outbreak. Just look at the other bordering nations that all implemented travel bans. They are now starting to control the outbreak.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-10-16-14-24-38

Nobody is saying not to try and stop the outbreak at its source. That is the best first step. But to not take steps to protect this country is a little arrogant to me. It smacks of the "it can't possibly happen here" mentality. You would think that the small outbreak in Dallas would have changed a few minds about that.

You can say that, but we have direct empirical evidence that travel bans haven't worked even considering all that. Given the evidence it is pretty clear that a travel ban is a bad idea.

 

[theeedude]

800 British NHS medical personnel volunteer to go to Sierra Leone

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/17/nhs-medics-volunteer-sierra-leone-ebola-nursing-call-up

Keeping calm an carrying on :thumbsup:
Meanwhile, in the "home of the brave," we are running scared with 3 cases in a country of 300,000,000 that spends twice as much as Europeans per capita on health care.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Keeping calm an carrying on :thumbsup:
Meanwhile, in the "home of the brave," we are running scared with 3 cases in a country of 300,000,000 that spends twice as much as Europeans per capita on health care.

Why don't you go? You can take money from your account and out of your resources go and help. BTW, you have hundreds of times or more parasites in your system than there are people in the US. Aren't you special?

 

[Slew Foot]

Keeping calm an carrying on :thumbsup:
Meanwhile, in the "home of the brave," we are running scared with 3 cases in a country of 300,000,000 that spends twice as much as Europeans per capita on health care.

A bunch of Americans are there already. One of my friends from med school came back a couple weeks ago

 

[soundforbjt]

Can't remember who said it, paraphrasing here:

"More Americans have been dumped by Taylor Swift than have Ebola."

 

[RandallFlagg]

Can't remember who said it, paraphrasing here:

"More Americans have been dumped by Taylor Swift than have Ebola."

The problem with these kind of statements is that they demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of the mathematics behind Ebola, as well as not understanding what a level 4 biohazard means. Drinking the cool-aid is probably an appropriate analogy.

Ebola is a level 4 biohazard - look it up and you'll find that means dealing with Ebola contamination requires among other things a 'positive pressure' suit. At least that's what it required a couple of years ago... Its worth mentioning here that about 5% of Ebola deaths are healthcare workers. Its also worth mentioning that HIV is only a level 2 biohazard, its not comparable.

On the math part - in W Africa Ebola is growing with a contagion factor of 1.5 to 2. That means for every infection, 1.5 to 2 more people get infected. That number has to fall below 1 for the disease to shrink.

At the current rate of growth, by March around 1.4 million will have been infected. At a 70% death rate that means Ebola could easily eclipse HIV as a killer in Africa within 5 months. And how many healthcare workers will be left at that point?

And if we are getting Ebola cases in the US now with only 10000 cases in Africa, how many will we get when there are millions?

 

[Victorian Gray]

The Spanish nurse seems to be ok

"The Spanish nurse who became the first person to contract Ebola outside West Africa has now tested negative for the virus, the Spanish government says.

The result suggests Teresa Romero, 44, is no longer infected - although a second test is required before she can be declared free of Ebola."


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29683616

 

[Victorian Gray]

Brave man

"British nurse who survived virus after being airlifted to UK said it was an ‘easy decision’ to go back to help contain outbreak"

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/19/will-pooley-ebola-returns-to-sierra-leone

 

[child of wonder]

All I know is when someone starts up with cold or flu symptoms, it's pretty freaky to wonder if it's Ebola. Granted, the odds are overwhelmingly low that it is, but it still makes one wonder.

Saturday on my way back from an 8 day vacation in Florida I started having a mild sore throat and mild headache. Yesterday I felt a little sore and fatigued and had a 100.2F fever. This morning I have almost no headache, still some sore throat, temp of 100.4F, slightly runny nose, but otherwise feel pretty good.

It's 99.99999% likely all I have is a good cold but it's still disconcerting to wonder and all you can do is wait and see if the symptoms get worse.