Texas Debate Reactions Thread

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: bamacre
The media needs to start asking when she's going to drop out. This is getting ridiculous.

yes, clearly the media needs to hump Obama more.

things are looking bleak for Hillary, but she's still got a nice chunk of delegates. it's not like on the R side, where McCain is just completely dominating Huckabee in the delgate race and Huck couldn't win even if he got 100% of the vote in every state between now and the convention.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: bamacre
The media needs to start asking when she's going to drop out. This is getting ridiculous.

yes, clearly the media needs to hump Obama more.

things are looking bleak for Hillary, but she's still got a nice chunk of delegates. it's not like on the R side, where McCain is just completely dominating Huckabee in the delgate race and Huck couldn't win even if he got 100% of the vote in every state between now and the convention.

Forget the horse race aspects of it, Hillary is bad for the Democratic party...THAT'S why she should drop out. I'm not saying she's bad in the sense that she'll hand the race to McCain, but she's bad in the sense that even if she wins, the country loses. Out of all the candidates running, only Ron Paul and Obama seem to have a decent chance of leading the country in a new direction...and Paul seems determined that the direction be off the nearest cliff...so if you DON'T like what's been happening with politics in this country for the past several decades, Obama would seem to be the guy to support. Hillary is basically the same as every other candidate we've had to choose between for a while now.

 

[ericlp]

Altho, I like Bill Clinton. Would be interesting to see Mccain and Obama debate it out. My motto was the last election ... I don't care who the hell runs as long as it's not Bush. I hope Hillary doesn't try to run again next four years. I think once someone tried and lost they shouldn't be able to come back... That goes for sons ... and husbands and wives too...

I'd like to see a woman run for prez but does it have to be that one?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Obotsma is strong here... but given the demographics, I'm not a least bit surprised.

It's Pabster's and my fault. We are both such hugely transparent sluts for the Democratic party it's not even funny.

 

[miketheidiot]

I didn't see it, but if hillary didn't dominate she may as well just drop out

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Obotsma is strong here... but given the demographics, I'm not a least bit surprised.

what you mean young and well educated? Stop being bitter.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I didn't see it, but if hillary didn't dominate she may as well just drop out

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Obotsma is strong here... but given the demographics, I'm not a least bit surprised.

what you mean young and well educated? Stop being bitter.

You know what's funny? SSSnail knows there is no real argument there, so the only fallback is the "say something in a sarcastic way and hope it sounds vaguely insulting" approach.

 

[ManSnake]

Did I just hear Clinton basically conceeding to the fact that she will most likely lose nomination on her closing statement? :Q

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I didn't see it, but if hillary didn't dominate she may as well just drop out

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Obotsma is strong here... but given the demographics, I'm not a least bit surprised.

what you mean young and well educated? Stop being bitter.

You know what's funny? SSSnail knows there is no real argument there, so the only fallback is the "say something in a sarcastic way and hope it sounds vaguely insulting" approach.

No, the funny thing is I didn't even see the debate, I gave up on politics along time ago. I'm just now making fun of anything and everything.

Anyways, I heard Obama being "black" is an accomplishment, too.

Edit: young and well educated? High income earners too? Well, looky here, the media didn't lie at all... :roll:

 

[bamacre]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H60y8mHMpmU

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: SSSnail

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I didn't see it, but if hillary didn't dominate she may as well just drop out

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Obotsma is strong here... but given the demographics, I'm not a least bit surprised.

what you mean young and well educated? Stop being bitter.

You know what's funny? SSSnail knows there is no real argument there, so the only fallback is the "say something in a sarcastic way and hope it sounds vaguely insulting" approach.

No, the funny thing is I didn't even see the debate, I gave up on politics along time ago. I'm just now making fun of anything and everything.

Anyways, I heard Obama being "black" is an accomplishment, too.

Edit: young and well educated? High income earners too? Well, looky here, the media didn't lie at all... :roll:

so is this an admission of just being a troll? If so, you need practice since you are mostly just confusing people.

 

[RichardE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAYItnI-lPo

Hilary borrows Edwards finishing line

 

[Moonbeam]

Both did real good.

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I said "equal", because it's the best answer...but not quite right. I think Clinton did a terrible job, she seemed whiny and petty, and while she seemed to have technical knowledge, I think she lost a lot of points on attitude and general tone of her responses. It's not that she had terrible answers, it's that she just did a terrible job expressing them. So Obama clearly came out ahead, but I'm not sure he won...I think Clinton did a really good job of beating herself.

My reluctance to declare Obama the winner is that he seems like such a nice guy debating that I'm a little worried he's going to just get killed by the Republicans in the general election. Beating Clinton in a debate is like dunking on the short, fat kid playing basketball...it's fun and all, but it doesn't mean you're Shaq. The Republicans (at least those who don't like Obama), are already gearing up to make this election just as nasty as the last one, and it's hard to say how Obama's debate skills are going to hold up.

I hate this answer, in a way, because Obama's performance has convinced me he'd make a far better President...but he still needs to win the election. I hate horse race politics as much as anyone, but that's the reality of this particular game we play. Then again, I could be wrong. Negative campaigning worked against Kerry because he was the kind of guy people love to hate. Obama, on the other hand, is a nice guy who comes across as a nice guy...going after him might backfire on the Republicans just as it is on Clinton. Time will tell, and in any case, Obama is clearly the candidate the Democrats need.

Obama is a nice guy, but he's also pretty damn smart. He gives this image about rising above partisan politics so when he gets attacked like what Bill did in SC, it gets thrown back at them. You can't really attack hope, even if it is naive.

It's also a shame to see what McCain has become. I used to respect him for being conservative but not afraid to go against his party when he believed something. Yet during this campaign he really turned into the lap dog of the GOP in order to get the nomination but it's going to hurt him in the general election. He could have run on the Obama image but with real experience and results. Sort of a mature and wiser version of Obama. He has actually worked with Democrats but his turn to the GOP base killed that.

If I were Obama I would confront him with that just to turn some of McCain's moderate support to Obama and to paint McCain as no better than the rest of the politicians in DC. After McCain gets the nomination officially, he's going to try to turn back to the moderates. Obama can't let him.

 

[Thump553]

rockyct: The exact same thing happened to George HW Bush. Before becoming Reagan's VP, he was a moderate, highly skilled technocrat (former CIA head). Unfortunately he threw it all away.

Onthe debate, I think Hillary got spanked with a well deserved round of boos in the plagarism portion. Not only was her xerox comment tacky, but it was delivered in such a throw away manner that it was an obviously scripted line-not the best move when you are accusing your opponent of not speaking his own thoughts.

All in all I thought this was the best debate since the Dem one just before Super Tuesday. It started off as the usual snoozefest, but from midway on both were firing on all cylinders and having a rather intense, substantive and entertaining discussion of the issues, while remaining in a civil tone.

I don't know what to make of Hillary's final comments. They were moving, and (to me at least) genuine but they did have the tone of a farewell speech.

All in all I saw it pretty much as a draw, either one could be judged the winner on points. As the surging frontrunner, Obama is the net winner with those results.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Farang
Also, Obama knocked her out when he got the laugh at people in his campaign being 'delusional.' He went on for a few minutes like a stump speech and had the audience in the palm of his hand while Clinton sat there smirking.

OOHH GOD that smirk! I hated that smirk! I wanted to jump in the tv and slap that smirk right off her face. Just about every time he spoke she just sat there looking at him with that smirk across her face.

 

[beyoku]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: bamacre
The media needs to start asking when she's going to drop out. This is getting ridiculous.

yes, clearly the media needs to hump Obama more.

things are looking bleak for Hillary, but she's still got a nice chunk of delegates. it's not like on the R side, where McCain is just completely dominating Huckabee in the delgate race and Huck couldn't win even if he got 100% of the vote in every state between now and the convention.

Forget the horse race aspects of it, Hillary is bad for the Democratic party...THAT'S why she should drop out. I'm not saying she's bad in the sense that she'll hand the race to McCain, but she's bad in the sense that even if she wins, the country loses. Out of all the candidates running, only Ron Paul and Obama seem to have a decent chance of leading the country in a new direction...and Paul seems determined that the direction be off the nearest cliff...so if you DON'T like what's been happening with politics in this country for the past several decades, Obama would seem to be the guy to support. Hillary is basically the same as every other candidate we've had to choose between for a while now.

QFT !

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Forget the horse race aspects of it, Hillary is bad for the Democratic party...THAT'S why she should drop out. I'm not saying she's bad in the sense that she'll hand the race to McCain, but she's bad in the sense that even if she wins, the country loses. Out of all the candidates running, only Ron Paul and Obama seem to have a decent chance of leading the country in a new direction...and Paul seems determined that the direction be off the nearest cliff...so if you DON'T like what's been happening with politics in this country for the past several decades, Obama would seem to be the guy to support. Hillary is basically the same as every other candidate we've had to choose between for a while now.

QFT. :thumbsup:

I'm surprised the Paulbots haven't decimated you for that line yet :laugh:

The truth is that Clinton has demonstrated politics-as-usual quite persuasively the last few weeks. From ridiculous claims of plagiarism to Bill's dealing of the race card, they have reminded the entire country exactly why neither one of them should ever be elected again.

I've been criticized at times for being too soft on Obama, but the fact of the matter is, for all his faults (and he has many), he is the only one left with any credible chance of getting something done and moving this country forward.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
I didn't see it, but if hillary didn't dominate she may as well just drop out

Originally posted by: SSSnail
Obotsma is strong here... but given the demographics, I'm not a least bit surprised.

what you mean young and well educated? Stop being bitter.

everyone around here is focusing on the answers to the last question: something along the lines of 'what was your most challenging situation in your life'

obama told his life story, again.

hillary said that everyone knows she's had some challenging times in her life, but none of them are anything in comparison to what average americans are going through. then she talked about opening a VA hospital with vets in attendance who had lost limbs.

my father said that when he heard that very well delivered and thought out answer he looked at the TV and wondered where the stiff and boring hillary had gone

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Paddington
I rather enjoyed Hillary tearing Obama a new asshole. The man has no brain, no concrete agenda, just a personality cult. And now we learn he's not even a great orator, just a plagiarist. What's the Democratic party to do, when even the teeny boppers get bored and stop swooning at his campaign events?

I'll bet you enjoyed watching the Pats tear the Giants a new asshole too, huh? Go back under your bridge.

 

[teiresias]

Originally posted by: ElFenix
hillary said that everyone knows she's had some challenging times in her life, but none of them are anything in comparison to what average americans are going through. then she talked about opening a VA hospital with vets in attendance who had lost limbs.

my father said that when he heard that very well delivered and thought out answer he looked at the TV and wondered where the stiff and boring hillary had gone

Of course it was well thought out . . . Edwards had thought it out very well indeed when he used it originally before Hillary decided to "plagiaries" it.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Forget the horse race aspects of it, Hillary is bad for the Democratic party...THAT'S why she should drop out. I'm not saying she's bad in the sense that she'll hand the race to McCain, but she's bad in the sense that even if she wins, the country loses. Out of all the candidates running, only Ron Paul and Obama seem to have a decent chance of leading the country in a new direction...and Paul seems determined that the direction be off the nearest cliff...so if you DON'T like what's been happening with politics in this country for the past several decades, Obama would seem to be the guy to support. Hillary is basically the same as every other candidate we've had to choose between for a while now.

QFT. :thumbsup:

I'm surprised the Paulbots haven't decimated you for that line yet :laugh:

I ignored it because its an obviously stupid remark.

We are already moving in that direction.

Paul is the only one who could change that. The others will keep driving us straight.

It's no matter now, the nominations have been wrapped up.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Paddington
I rather enjoyed Hillary tearing Obama a new asshole. The man has no brain, no concrete agenda, just a personality cult. And now we learn he's not even a great orator, just a plagiarist. What's the Democratic party to do, when even the teeny boppers get bored and stop swooning at his campaign events?

Mark Penn...is that you? :laugh:

Hillary didn't tear any assholes last night. She was outclassed and out-debated by Obama across the board, as usual. Just take a listen to the crowd...

 

[Vic]

Hillary needs to concede if she wants to hope to have any future in the Democratic party.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic
Hillary needs to concede if she wants to hope to have any future in the Democratic party.

Yup, she's just embarrassing herself now.

 

[Throckmorton]

I'm surprised anyone is trying the "Obama can't beat McCain argument". Must have missed the poll where Obama beats McCain and Hillary doesn't.