Kaido
Elite Member & Kitchen Overlord
- Feb 14, 2004
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Tesla Ice Katana™Yah that wiper is not going to survive one snow storm.
Tesla Ice Katana™Yah that wiper is not going to survive one snow storm.
I definitely don't want to be in the first batch to receive a Cybertruck lol. I'm just planning on Christmas 2023 at this point, IF that, because Tesla had to pull a Stockholm syndrome on me...it was so ugly & I was so shocked at its appearance that I didn't jump on it right away, so when I did put my pre-order cash down a few days later & started to kinda-sorta like it, I'm like number zillion in line now lol.Cybertruck still doesn't have a ship date on their web site. It's not looking good for 2022.
Yeah... the $40,000 Cybertruck is likely to be an even bigger fantasy than the $35,000 Model 3 was.@Kaido Pretty much nobody believes a single-motor CyberTruck will ever be made, so the $40k price point seems like pure fantasy at this point.
Not only can you not get a Standard Range+ Model Y (IIRC that started at around $42k), but they've even axed the RWD model. So just to step into a Model Y starts at $59k before taxes and fees.
Tesla seems to believe (and perhaps rightfully so) that there is such massive excess demand for their cars that they can raise prices without affecting sales. I question whether that is a viable long-term strategy for a company that aspires to sell 10M cars by 2030. There's a reason why luxury brands are a relatively small part of the auto market; new cars are expensive as it is and most consumers can't afford the luxury mark-up.
I'm tempted to put a reservation in on a Lightning and Silverado EV and see which of the three I can actually get in a reasonable time frame. If by 2023, Superchargers are open to everyone, that pretty much eliminates the reason I would only look at Tesla.Silverado EV looks niiiiice:
Yeah, I wonder what the lifecycle of a $60k vehicle is, as far as how long it will take before the pool of people with the budget to afford that machine ($60k base = $1,000/mo+ with zero down payment on a 5-year loan, which is what apartments go for these days around here lol) run out. And it's not like they're a high-volume automaker...the total 2021 yield from Tesla was just under a million vehicles, which is what Ford sells solely in F-150's lol:@Kaido Pretty much nobody believes a single-motor CyberTruck will ever be made, so the $40k price point seems like pure fantasy at this point.
Not only can you not get a Standard Range+ Model Y (IIRC that started at around $42k), but they've even axed the RWD model. So just to step into a Model Y starts at $59k before taxes and fees.
Tesla seems to believe (and perhaps rightfully so) that there is such massive excess demand for their cars that they can raise prices without affecting sales. I question whether that is a viable long-term strategy for a company that aspires to sell 10M cars by 2030. There's a reason why luxury brands are a relatively small part of the auto market; new cars are expensive as it is and most consumers can't afford the luxury mark-up.
imo opening up Superchargers is such a bad idea. All of the Superchargers in my area are constantly filled with Tesla vehicles as it is. I suppose Tesla could generate cash like a gas station from charging, but at a lot of charges, they didn't build out any kind of convenience store or restaurant theme around them, so you have to walk to the nearest bathroom or food shop in some cases. Seems like a prime opportunity to go the McDonalds route, which has $30 billion in real estate assets lol.I'm tempted to put a reservation in on a Lightning and Silverado EV and see which of the three I can actually get in a reasonable time frame. If by 2023, Superchargers are open to everyone, that pretty much eliminates the reason I would only look at Tesla.
It's too bad, because if they could do it, I guarantee it would sell like gangbusters. My wife does her car & I do mine & even she was interested in it, as so many trucks are $50, $60, $70k+ these days & she could throw all of her photography equipment in the back & not have to deal with gas anymore lol. We were originally interested in the MY, but I just handed my reservation off to a friend (they were forcing everyone into ordering by December 2nd), so he was able save nearly $12,000 on his order due to locking the original price in (that was his Christmas present from me LOL).Yeah... the $40,000 Cybertruck is likely to be an even bigger fantasy than the $35,000 Model 3 was.
I have to wonder what Elon's definition of "open to everyone" will be. I'd imagine that he'll want to charge something like double the standard charge rate for non Tesla customers.I'm tempted to put a reservation in on a Lightning and Silverado EV and see which of the three I can actually get in a reasonable time frame. If by 2023, Superchargers are open to everyone, that pretty much eliminates the reason I would only look at Tesla.
For the couple days a year that most people would need them that's probably fine. I believe the first few locations that are getting CCS are expansions, not conversions/reducing the number of Tesla stalls. If they do that then I see no real reason for them to charge more than the normal rates (which are already quite high vs what people should be paying at home if they've optimized it).I have to wonder what Elon's definition of "open to everyone" will be. I'd imagine that he'll want to charge something like double the standard charge rate for non Tesla customers.
I mean:I have to wonder what Elon's definition of "open to everyone" will be. I'd imagine that he'll want to charge something like double the standard charge rate for non Tesla customers.
The average new pick-up truck now sells for about $50k (all cars and light trucks, about $40k). I was very surprised when CyberTruck was announced with a single-motor model for $40k because this is incredibly aggressive. Honestly, I don't think they actually need to have a $40k CT to be successful. Also, the base price matters less than real-world prices. German luxury brands are well known for having a competitive base MSRP, but adding options quickly drives the price tag much higher.It's too bad, because if they could do it, I guarantee it would sell like gangbusters. My wife does her car & I do mine & even she was interested in it, as so many trucks are $50, $60, $70k+ these days & she could throw all of her photography equipment in the back & not have to deal with gas anymore lol. We were originally interested in the MY, but I just handed my reservation off to a friend (they were forcing everyone into ordering by December 2nd), so he was able save nearly $12,000 on his order due to locking the original price in (that was his Christmas present from me LOL).
The fact that they advertised a 2.9-second Cybertruck tells me that the high-end model is going to be pretty dang pricey, considering that the 3.8-second Model X is over $100k!The average new pick-up truck now sells for about $50k (all cars and light trucks, about $40k). I was very surprised when CyberTruck was announced with a single-motor model for $40k because this is incredibly aggressive. Honestly, I don't think they actually need to have a $40k CT to be successful. Also, the base price matters less than real-world prices. German luxury brands are well known for having a competitive base MSRP, but adding options quickly drives the price tag much higher.
A $50k CyberTruck will be price competitive in the full-size segment, as long as it delivers what buyers want. Average sale prices will be even higher, but it remains to be seen how greedy Tesla wants to go.
As I said earlier, if they ultimately want to be a volume manufacturer, they'll need a product mixture with lower entry prices. But for the next few years of ramp up, this doesn't appear to be an issue.
I think that the popularity of the new Ford Maverick is proof that buyers are sick of paying $50,000+ for a pickup truck that's more vehicle than what they need.The average new pick-up truck now sells for about $50k (all cars and light trucks, about $40k). I was very surprised when CyberTruck was announced with a single-motor model for $40k because this is incredibly aggressive. Honestly, I don't think they actually need to have a $40k CT to be successful. Also, the base price matters less than real-world prices. German luxury brands are well known for having a competitive base MSRP, but adding options quickly drives the price tag much higher.
A $50k CyberTruck will be price competitive in the full-size segment, as long as it delivers what buyers want. Average sale prices will be even higher, but it remains to be seen how greedy Tesla wants to go.
As I said earlier, if they ultimately want to be a volume manufacturer, they'll need a product mixture with lower entry prices. But for the next few years of ramp up, this doesn't appear to be an issue.
Mostly irrelevant because the Models S and X have turned into halo cars, or whatever you want to call low-volume vehicles for millionaires. I believe the CyberTruck will be competitively priced for full-sized pickups, but only time will tell.The fact that they advertised a 2.9-second Cybertruck tells me that the high-end model is going to be pretty dang pricey, considering that the 3.8-second Model X is over $100k!
How many Mavericks will be sold in 2022 vs. how many F-150s? If buyers are sick of paying $50k for pickup trucks, that hasn't turned up in industry sales figures.I think that the popularity of the new Ford Maverick is proof that buyers are sick of paying $50,000+ for a pickup truck that's more vehicle than what they need.
I guess that I'll need to hold out for the Cybertruck Mini![]()
Man, I'm in the wrong tax bracket lollow-volume vehicles for millionaires
He can do whatever he wants with it, you are not obligated to use it.I have to wonder what Elon's definition of "open to everyone" will be. I'd imagine that he'll want to charge something like double the standard charge rate for non Tesla customers.
Maverick sold just over 6K units in December with all Ford Pickups doing just over 75K units. That puts the Maverick at 8-9% the volume of the entire F-Series pickup lineup (150-350 and 450 non-cab&chassis models, 550/600/650/750 are chassis cab only). That’s really not bad for a truck that was available November and December, and enough of a number that Ford will still need to watch their ratios to not lose the best selling pickup crown due to leeching sales to the Maverick.Mostly irrelevant because the Models S and X have turned into halo cars, or whatever you want to call low-volume vehicles for millionaires. I believe the CyberTruck will be competitively priced for full-sized pickups, but only time will tell.
How many Mavericks will be sold in 2022 vs. how many F-150s? If buyers are sick of paying $50k for pickup trucks, that hasn't turned up in industry sales figures.
Good luck to you, I personally would like to own a BEV before the year 2035.![]()
Well I personally think 70 plus grand for an F150 is a lot but I certainly see them on the road pretty often.With the first Silverados being the +$100K price point I think the commoner will have to wait until they themselves get reincarnated.