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Terrorist attack on civilian students in Israel

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Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: palehorse74

gee, you don't think that may be due to the Palestinian terrorists not wearing uniforms, and fighting from amongst the civilian population, do ya? nahhh, that couldnt be it...

You know very well that Palestinian's can't create an army with conventional means. The USA supplies Israel with all sorts of weaponry including nukes, and palestinians if shipped an AK-47 would be outlawed by Israel. Just like Yasser Arafat's boat a few years ago full of weapons that was seized by Israel.

The palestinians fight the way they have to fight, by the only possible means they can. No different than Iraqi's fighting the USA at the present moment. Iraqi's have no way to buy Apache's, wear uniforms, FLIR, night vision, because they are "under seige" by American troops. So they plant bombs in shadows.

Face it, its warfare, they are fighting the only way they can to survive. Israel is no more innocent in this game as the Palestinians. They are both the aggressors, who trade pop shots at each other and then hype up the propaganda game. The only difference. Israel controls the media, there and here, so Israel can always seem to be the innocent child who did nothing wrong. Its bias and BS. And you know very damn well that its true.

They HAVE an army, it just isn't a terrorist army who is keen on killing civilians, they could have a state too, but they don't care about shit except killing Jews.

Israel has suffered over 5000 (that is FIVE THOUSAND) rocket attacks before they have reacted, don't give me that bullshit, Israel has a right to defend themselves but every time they do, Hamas cheers at the dead civilians, they love that, that is why they hid among them because they know stupid arse idiots like you will give their sympathy for the Palestinians when Israel is trying to eliminate the threat to their civilian population.

Iraq is a completely different and way newer matter that has absolutely nothing to do with issue, so keep that shit to yourself.
 
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Nebor

Humans, cockroaches, whatever. They're pests. Exterminate with extreme prejudice.

You are a complete joke. You seem to love to talk big on the interweb about your cache of guns and your right to carry them whenever or where ever you want and openly support the genocide of an entire population and think that you are brave. You are an idiot with the common sense of an 8 year old who thinks that they should be allowed to do what they want without any concerns for the results of their actions.

😕 We're called Texans.

No, you are the one of the very few he is talking about and he's right, you are a moron who is so chickenshit that you cannot even leave your house in your own neighbourhood unarmed.

If i lived in such a neighbourhood (i suppose it's a methadone clinic and crack smoking bigass people wearing armour and weapons there at all times) i would move.

I have NEVER felt the need to be armed in Britain, not even in Brixton.
 
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I have NEVER felt the need to be armed in Britain, not even in Brixton.
Well, that's a good thing considering Brits aren't even allowed to own handguns, let alone carry them... only your government has that right. DOH!

Screw that!

Please don't sh*t on our incredible 2nd Amendment Rights. I also carry a handgun, on occasion, and I take offense to that being considered cowardly.

That said, yes, Nebor is a jacka$$ sometimes. However, I generally agree with everything he ever has to say regarding our right to own and carry arms.

We fought for that right; so I'll keep it, thanks.

/threadjack off
 
Originally posted by: brandonb
Originally posted by: palehorse74

gee, you don't think that may be due to the Palestinian terrorists not wearing uniforms, and fighting from amongst the civilian population, do ya? nahhh, that couldnt be it...

You know very well that Palestinian's can't create an army with conventional means. The USA supplies Israel with all sorts of weaponry including nukes, and palestinians if shipped an AK-47 would be outlawed by Israel. Just like Yasser Arafat's boat a few years ago full of weapons that was seized by Israel.

The palestinians fight the way they have to fight, by the only possible means they can. No different than Iraqi's fighting the USA at the present moment. Iraqi's have no way to buy Apache's, wear uniforms, FLIR, night vision, because they are "under seige" by American troops. So they plant bombs in shadows.

Face it, its warfare, they are fighting the only way they can to survive. Israel is no more innocent in this game as the Palestinians. They are both the aggressors, who trade pop shots at each other and then hype up the propaganda game. The only difference. Israel controls the media, there and here, so Israel can always seem to be the innocent child who did nothing wrong. Its bias and BS. And you know very damn well that its true.
There is NO excuse, ever, for targetting and hiding amongst otherwise innocent civilians.

I know why they do it, but I still consider it cowardly and inhumane. Period.
 
Originally posted by: dna
What a bunch of emotional tripe.

As usual, you ignore the fact that the neighboring countries started the wars that eventually led to the flight of many palestinians.

Regarding your nonsense about Haifa, they palestinians left after they were called to do so by the arab league; so they chose a side and they lost the bet. Seems pretty logical to me that the arab league should have taken care of them.

The above should sound familiar to you, as you your neighbor Nasrallah pulled the same thing in 2006: he called on the arabs to leave towns they shared with the jews -- after he managed to kill two little boys with a rocket.

So, go on ahead and blab about this fictitious right of return, 60 years after the fact -- a fact different than what you claim -- while others have moved along. Notice how nobody is talking about a right of return for the 1 million jews that were forced out across the Middle East after 1948; you've probably suckled on the tit of propaganda for so long that you probably aren't even familiar with that minor detail.

60 years after the fact? 60 years after the fact my glorious ASS you hear? What a load of BS, your people can lurk Europe for a Millenia or two and then come back out of no where just because their Jewish in religion all they have to say is G-D GAVE THIS LAND TO ME and that sounds absolutely logical to everyone but when a Palestenian who ACTUALLY used to live in Haifa and can trace his ancerstors one by one living on that same spot of land says that he has the right to go back, it's an emotional trip and all of that added Zionist pure %100 certified BS, keep it coming.

Originally posted by: mrCide
After 60 years, you'd think Israel would try a different strategy as 'big brother' to get a real peace process rolling. But no, more and more of the same. Explain to me how Israelis screaming kill all arabs is any better than Palestinians screaming kill all jews? There is no difference, except one side has American funded guns and tanks. Guess who's responsibility it is to withstand the hate that they started? After decades of being treated like inconsequential garbage, retaliation and eye for an eye does absolutely nothing. It just baffles me that Israel doesn't want to secure their people for the long run. Do people really think Palestinians care one ounce that Israel is targeting militants when they take innocent casualties with them? Do you think as a brother, sister, mother or father you would really give a fuck about Israeli's innocent or well being after they 'oops'd' your family member into pieces for the umpteenth time? 2+2=4.

There will never be peace as long as Israeli's feel that "God gave us this land." That's the bottom line. Until they're willing to make a real sacrifice and remove their heavy bias religion/zionists from government they will never have peace, and it's their own fault.


:thumbsup: the more time they take to fix the mess they started, the bigger the compromises will have to be in the future IMHO
 
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: dna
What a bunch of emotional tripe.

As usual, you ignore the fact that the neighboring countries started the wars that eventually led to the flight of many palestinians.

Regarding your nonsense about Haifa, they palestinians left after they were called to do so by the arab league; so they chose a side and they lost the bet. Seems pretty logical to me that the arab league should have taken care of them.

The above should sound familiar to you, as you your neighbor Nasrallah pulled the same thing in 2006: he called on the arabs to leave towns they shared with the jews -- after he managed to kill two little boys with a rocket.

So, go on ahead and blab about this fictitious right of return, 60 years after the fact -- a fact different than what you claim -- while others have moved along. Notice how nobody is talking about a right of return for the 1 million jews that were forced out across the Middle East after 1948; you've probably suckled on the tit of propaganda for so long that you probably aren't even familiar with that minor detail.

60 years after the fact? 60 years after the fact my glorious ASS you hear? What a load of BS, your people can lurk Europe for a Millenia or two and then come back out of no where just because their Jewish in religion all they have to say is G-D GAVE THIS LAND TO ME and that sounds absolutely logical to everyone but when a Palestenian who ACTUALLY used to live in Haifa and can trace his ancerstors one by one living on that same spot of land says that he has the right to go back, it's an emotional trip and all of that added Zionist pure %100 certified BS, keep it coming.

Originally posted by: mrCide
After 60 years, you'd think Israel would try a different strategy as 'big brother' to get a real peace process rolling. But no, more and more of the same. Explain to me how Israelis screaming kill all arabs is any better than Palestinians screaming kill all jews? There is no difference, except one side has American funded guns and tanks. Guess who's responsibility it is to withstand the hate that they started? After decades of being treated like inconsequential garbage, retaliation and eye for an eye does absolutely nothing. It just baffles me that Israel doesn't want to secure their people for the long run. Do people really think Palestinians care one ounce that Israel is targeting militants when they take innocent casualties with them? Do you think as a brother, sister, mother or father you would really give a fuck about Israeli's innocent or well being after they 'oops'd' your family member into pieces for the umpteenth time? 2+2=4.

There will never be peace as long as Israeli's feel that "God gave us this land." That's the bottom line. Until they're willing to make a real sacrifice and remove their heavy bias religion/zionists from government they will never have peace, and it's their own fault.

:thumbsup: the more time they take to fix the mess they started, the bigger the compromises will have to be in the future IMHO
There will never be any compromise. Israel will eventually say "fvck it," and push every last Palestinian into Syria and Egypt. Then, they will lock down their borders and tell the Arab countries to deal with the Palestinians themselves. The Palestinians and refugees will no longer be an Israeli problem, and there is very little the Arab nations could do to stop them.

bet?
 
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: Nebor

Humans, cockroaches, whatever. They're pests. Exterminate with extreme prejudice.

You are a complete joke. You seem to love to talk big on the interweb about your cache of guns and your right to carry them whenever or where ever you want and openly support the genocide of an entire population and think that you are brave. You are an idiot with the common sense of an 8 year old who thinks that they should be allowed to do what they want without any concerns for the results of their actions.

😕 We're called Texans.

No, you are the one of the very few he is talking about and he's right, you are a moron who is so chickenshit that you cannot even leave your house in your own neighbourhood unarmed.

If i lived in such a neighbourhood (i suppose it's a methadone clinic and crack smoking bigass people wearing armour and weapons there at all times) i would move.

I have NEVER felt the need to be armed in Britain, not even in Brixton.

I'd like to move, but I feel that the process of taking boxes out to a truck would place me at a severe tactical disadvantage to the tangos outside my house. The actions involved in moving are simply too dangerous.
 
Originally posted by: palehorse74
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Originally posted by: dna
What a bunch of emotional tripe.

As usual, you ignore the fact that the neighboring countries started the wars that eventually led to the flight of many palestinians.

Regarding your nonsense about Haifa, they palestinians left after they were called to do so by the arab league; so they chose a side and they lost the bet. Seems pretty logical to me that the arab league should have taken care of them.

The above should sound familiar to you, as you your neighbor Nasrallah pulled the same thing in 2006: he called on the arabs to leave towns they shared with the jews -- after he managed to kill two little boys with a rocket.

So, go on ahead and blab about this fictitious right of return, 60 years after the fact -- a fact different than what you claim -- while others have moved along. Notice how nobody is talking about a right of return for the 1 million jews that were forced out across the Middle East after 1948; you've probably suckled on the tit of propaganda for so long that you probably aren't even familiar with that minor detail.

60 years after the fact? 60 years after the fact my glorious ASS you hear? What a load of BS, your people can lurk Europe for a Millenia or two and then come back out of no where just because their Jewish in religion all they have to say is G-D GAVE THIS LAND TO ME and that sounds absolutely logical to everyone but when a Palestenian who ACTUALLY used to live in Haifa and can trace his ancerstors one by one living on that same spot of land says that he has the right to go back, it's an emotional trip and all of that added Zionist pure %100 certified BS, keep it coming.

Originally posted by: mrCide
After 60 years, you'd think Israel would try a different strategy as 'big brother' to get a real peace process rolling. But no, more and more of the same. Explain to me how Israelis screaming kill all arabs is any better than Palestinians screaming kill all jews? There is no difference, except one side has American funded guns and tanks. Guess who's responsibility it is to withstand the hate that they started? After decades of being treated like inconsequential garbage, retaliation and eye for an eye does absolutely nothing. It just baffles me that Israel doesn't want to secure their people for the long run. Do people really think Palestinians care one ounce that Israel is targeting militants when they take innocent casualties with them? Do you think as a brother, sister, mother or father you would really give a fuck about Israeli's innocent or well being after they 'oops'd' your family member into pieces for the umpteenth time? 2+2=4.

There will never be peace as long as Israeli's feel that "God gave us this land." That's the bottom line. Until they're willing to make a real sacrifice and remove their heavy bias religion/zionists from government they will never have peace, and it's their own fault.

:thumbsup: the more time they take to fix the mess they started, the bigger the compromises will have to be in the future IMHO
There will never be any compromise. Israel will eventually say "fvck it," and push every last Palestinian into Syria and Egypt. Then, they will lock down their borders and tell the Arab countries to deal with the Palestinians themselves. The Palestinians and refugees will no longer be an Israeli problem, and there is very little the Arab nations could do to stop them.

bet?

bet?

This isn't rocket science...heck this is what every Arab and Muslim least expects of the racist scumbags in Israel....actually that's the whole Zionist plan....make life piss poor for the Palestenians have them leave and not let them come back (i.e. 1948)...plug settlers in....let the neighboring Arabs deal with the impoverished displaced Palestenians who have been robbed of their land... repeat as needed

These Nazi tactics didn't work out for the Germans...and they sure as hell are not going to workout for the Israelis either. Israel can't keep throwing the balls in other's courts. Eventually the courts get flooded over decades and the balls will have to be shot back to where they came from...pure logic...nothing complicated....they can have fun for now I guess...but time has proven such tactics to be futile in the long run....if they don't compromise today...they surrender tomorrow history guarantees it.
 
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
bet?

This isn't rocket science...heck this is what every Arab and Muslim least expects of the racist scumbags in Israel....actually that's the whole Zionist plan....make life piss poor for the Palestenians have them leave and not let them come back (i.e. 1948)...plug settlers in....let the neighboring Arabs deal with the impoverished displaced Palestenians who have been robbed of their land... repeat as needed

These Nazi tactics didn't work out for the Germans...and they sure as hell are not going to workout for the Israelis either. Israel can't keep throwing the balls in other's courts. Eventually the courts get flooded over decades and the balls will have to be shot back to where they came from...pure logic...nothing complicated....they can have fun for now I guess...but time has proven such tactics to be futile in the long run....if they don't compromise today...they surrender tomorrow history guarantees it.

ah, another nazi/israeli comparison. Because jews were running around in the 30's blowing up buses and schools forcing the besieged democratic government of Germany to crack down.
 
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
bet?

This isn't rocket science...heck this is what every Arab and Muslim least expects of the racist scumbags in Israel....actually that's the whole Zionist plan....make life piss poor for the Palestenians have them leave and not let them come back (i.e. 1948)...plug settlers in....let the neighboring Arabs deal with the impoverished displaced Palestenians who have been robbed of their land... repeat as needed

These Nazi tactics didn't work out for the Germans...and they sure as hell are not going to workout for the Israelis either. Israel can't keep throwing the balls in other's courts. Eventually the courts get flooded over decades and the balls will have to be shot back to where they came from...pure logic...nothing complicated....they can have fun for now I guess...but time has proven such tactics to be futile in the long run....if they don't compromise today...they surrender tomorrow history guarantees it.

ah, another nazi/israeli comparison. Because jews were running around in the 30's blowing up buses and schools forcing the besieged democratic government of Germany to crack down.

I always get this answer.....the Nazi / Zionist comparison doesn't highlight the motives...it highlights the in depth hate that the Nazis had for the Jews considering them as sub-human citizens if not less...their attempts to eliminate them...driving Jews out of Europe and into the ME and the US...etc That's what it's about.

Also I might add...Palestenians didn't go chasing the Jews into Europe to blow them up....the Jews invaded / nibbled their land bit by bit and hence got attacked....what doesn't make sense there? Did you forget too soon the terrorist Jewish groups acts brought upon the back then mostly unarmed Palestinian populous?? Did you forget the massacres that your now leaders have led ?? Do you want to convince me that the Jews came from Europe with roses and prayers and got received with AK-47's and bombs??? Go tell that to someone else please I wasn't born yesterday.
 
You can bring up that baloney as much as you want, but fact is that ppl were moving around in the area back then, just like the beduoin traveling around, so for you to say that the so called "palestinians" owned the place, is just total B.S.

At the time it Ottoman owned the area, and lots of land was owned by absentee landowners, living comfortably anywhere but there. The jews that came from Europe bought land, so your whole stole-my-land-boohoo routine doesn't hold.

What happened during the 1948 war was thanks to all your friendly neighboring arabs, which, naturally, bear no responsibility.

Still, here we are, 60 years after the fact, with more people being labeled refugees -- it would seem it is hereditary for these people.
Have you heard of WW2 refugees recently? I didn't think so..... :roll:

BTW, seems like you ignored my comment about the 1 million jews kicked out of their homes in the middle east by their friendly neighbors -- and they were not even in a war zone!
How expected from the likes of you not to have a comment about that :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: sirjonk
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23504328/

Hamas blesses attack
In Gaza, the Islamic militant Hamas praised the attack but stopped short of claiming responsibility. Thousands of Palestinians poured into the streets to celebrate, firing rifles in the air.
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Gunning down seminary students. That's bravery right there. Meanwhile, same article:

Palestinians killed in airstrike
In a separate development, an Israeli airstrike killed four Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip on Thursday, the Islamic Jihad militant group and the Israeli army said.

The Islamic Jihad said four of its members were killed in the missile strike near the southern Gaza town of Khan Younis. It said they were planting an explosive device to target Israeli army patrols.

An Israeli army spokesman said the attack was aimed at a number of gunmen who were planting explosives in the same area an Israeli soldier was killed earlier on Thursday.

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Hmm, one side directs attacks at students in schools, the other attacks armed men engaged in combat. Yep, morally equivalent. Oh, and no Israelis ran throught the streets celebrating the militants' deaths.

And no, I don't think all muslims are psychos like noobster.

"We heard shooting and knew that something had happened," recounted Yitzhak Dadon, 40, who studies at the yeshiva. Dadon said he cocked his handgun and went up to the roof of the yeshiva, where he saw the terrorist spraying gunfire indiscriminately at the crowd inside. Dadon said he fired two bullets at the terrorist, who began to stumble.

:thumbsup: Fuck gun control

Yup. This story instantly went into our soundbites for SCCC.
 
That damn stretch of land has been owned by many various bodies throughout history, several of which have claims of cultural ties to it. Screw the piss ant peace talk and lets just play king of the hill for it.
 
Originally posted by: lupi
That damn stretch of land has been owned by many various bodies throughout history, several of which have claims of cultural ties to it. Screw the piss ant peace talk and lets just play king of the hill for it.
:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: dna
You can bring up that baloney as much as you want, but fact is that ppl were moving around in the area back then, just like the beduoin traveling around, so for you to say that the so called "palestinians" owned the place, is just total B.S.

BS the Palestenians are the Arabs that have lived there since the defeat of the Roman Empire by the Arabs, they have cities and fortresses, castles, worship places dating to the times of the Crusades and before...nice try but THOSE Arabs in general weren't nomadic people....for crap's sake we are talking about agriculture and cities and so forth....it's the mid 1900's for crap's sake...


What happened during the 1948 war was thanks to all your friendly neighboring arabs, which, naturally, bear no responsibility.

The Palestenians were getting kicked out of their land for the most part..Jewish thugs running around killing and claiming "G-d" gave them the land hell yeah Arabs fought....how the fck can Jews come from the corners of Europe and declare a country in the middle of other's Arab's lands?
They did the honorable thing and fought...they got close at one point but neither God willed their victory nor they had the proper military experience coming out of the Ottonman era...they did their best and I am proud they did so.
Still, here we are, 60 years after the fact, with more people being labeled refugees -- it would seem it is hereditary for these people.

Here we are Thousands of years later and Jews are still labeling themselves as victims of antisemitism....so what? A good portion of Palestenians of 1948 are still alive need not I remind you....and their children inherit their right for the land....they have the right to live there too you know?
Have you heard of WW2 refugees recently? I didn't think so..... :roll:

Yes and now they are living the life in Israel...on other's lands I might add.

BTW, seems like you ignored my comment about the 1 million jews kicked out of their homes in the middle east by their friendly neighbors -- and they were not even in a war zone!

I must have missed it don't jump to conclusions, that I feel bad about...nor do I condone it one bit....however keep in mind this is neither acceptable to Arabs ATM nor all Jews were kicked out....many Jews left out of fear of attacks or prejudice not attacks....many felt that a country of their own in Israel on Arabic land was a good idea and the people around them didn't agree so they got some hate going their way...however there are still Jews in several Arabic countries.....it's sad many had to leave.

I have no qualms with Arabic Jews in all honesty, actually I have met a couple from Tunisia, it was my first time ever that I met Arabic Jews and I was very curious.... at a nice Arabic coffee and Hookah place around here...I insisted on buying their coffee and hookah and we had a nice politics free Arabic style conversation over some good old Arabic coffee and hookah it was very nice to share opinions with them, it's always good to talk to non-Zionist Jews it just gives me some hope that maybe one day Jews would dump this Zionist virus and change.....

Arab-Jews lived peacefully amongst Arabs since thousands of years.....if there was button that would return the Jewish populations to their land and homes in Arabic countries I would have pressed it in a heart beat it's their right after all..in Lebanon there is only an approximated 100+ Jewish citizens registered in Lebanon...I guess they didn't get to them yet <OK OK bad joke 😛>

How expected from the likes of you not to have a comment about that :thumbsup::thumbsup:
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Well there's a comment up there, and there's more where that came from 🙂

At the time it Ottoman owned the area, and lots of land was owned by absentee landowners, living comfortably anywhere but there. The jews that came from Europe bought land, so your whole stole-my-land-boohoo routine doesn't hold.

First of all the Ottomans never wanted to sell the land, they were forced by European countries they were indebted to to sell some of the land....they never sold what now is Israel heck what they sold is a mere fraction of it nothing in comparison....

Second thing, the Ottomans were Turkish invaders....they owned not a single slice of land in the whole Arabic peninsula...Arabs forced Turks out towards the end of WWI from the Arabic peninsula back into Turkey and laid back their people's claim to the land (My great Grandfather died in that fight). Should I mention Lawrence of Arabia and what that man's role indicated of fake BS promises and so forth from the west?

Either way current Israel and the dream Israel you guys have will still be on stolen land...don't give me bought this or given this argument...Zionists are always looking for the merest of excuses...first it's the Ottomans gave them the land...then it's the Palestenians who left the war torn area in 1948 can't go back because hey they did the work for you already and so on...
 
Originally posted by: DarkThinker
First of all the Ottomans never wanted to sell the land, they were forced by European countries they were indebted to to sell some of the land....they never sold what now is Israel heck what they sold is a mere fraction of it nothing in comparison....
Interesting theory: they were forced to.....:roll:
How interesting that they "had to sell" to jews, right?
All of this prior to WW2, Hitler, and the UN...

Second thing, the Ottomans were Turkish invaders....they owned not a single slice of land in the whole Arabic peninsula...Arabs forced Turks out towards the end of WWI from the Arabic peninsula back into Turkey and laid back their people's claim to the land (My great Grandfather died in that fight). Should I mention Lawrence of Arabia and what that man's role indicated of fake BS promises and so forth from the west?
Heh, didn't own anything after 200 years (4 generations ); funny how it took an evil western to get them to "revolt" -- I would think that they were comfy for those several decades 😛

Anyway, you base all your arguments on 100% emotions and no facts: Jews lived in the region under the ottoman empire, more emigrated there and bought land from absentee landowners. Sure, in some cases some squatters were removed, but squatters aren't owners.

then it's the Palestenians who left the war torn area in 1948 can't go back because hey they did the work for you already and so on...
If we take Haifa as an example (again), then some of those that were to become Israeli citizens chose to listen to a foreign, hostile entity, even though they were called upon by the jews to remain. They chose to put their fate with the Arab League, and they lost the gamble. The arabs that stayed are today Israeli citizens. Any country would view the actions of the "refugees" as treason, but it seems you are willing to bend the rules a little in this case.
Yes and now they are living the life in Israel...on other's lands I might add.
Funny, seems like you and the UN have a different definition. On the other hand, you don't mind locking up your "brothers" in refugee camps, but have no problem raising the specter of Nazism :laugh:


Now let me make a quick comment to all of you who cry over apartheid, genocide, and nazis, since you have nothing left up your sleeve, perhaps you should read this for a refreshing point of view:

Under Israeli rule, the Palestinians also made vast progress in social welfare. Perhaps most significantly, mortality rates in the West Bank and Gaza fell by more than two-thirds between 1970 and 1990, while life expectancy rose from 48 years in 1967 to 72 in 2000 (compared with an average of 68 years for all the countries of the Middle East and North Africa). Israeli medical programs reduced the infant-mortality rate of 60 per 1,000 live births in 1968 to 15 per 1,000 in 2000 (in Iraq the rate is 64, in Egypt 40, in Jordan 23, in Syria 22). And under a systematic program of inoculation, childhood diseases like polio, whooping cough, tetanus, and measles were eradicated.

You guys have been brainwashed so much by propaganda, that you don't even know what has happened over the years.
 
George Washington's Farewell Address Warned Us About This...

President George Washington spelled it out brilliantly in his farewell message to the nation in 1796, as stumblingly read aloud in the Senate just the other week - in accordance with a long Senate tradition - by Mark Pryor of Arkansas. Senator Pryor's actions in our federal legislature (as with those of so many of his colleagues), in line with his obvious incomprehension of the wise words he was reciting, demonstrate utter tone deafness and ignorance about the dangers of certain biased alliances between nations that are clearly demonstrated, in particular of late, by America's relationship with Israel:

...In the execution of such a plan nothing is more essential than that permanent, inveterate antipathies against particular nations and passionate attachment for others should be excluded and that in place of them just and amicable feelings towards all should be cultivated. The nation which indulges towards another an habitual hatred, or an habitual fondness, is in some degree a slave. It is a slave to its animosity, or to its affection, either of which is sufficient to lead it astray from its duty and its interest. Antipathy in one nation against another disposes each more readily to offer insult and injury, to lay hold of slight causes of umbrage, and to be haughty and intractable when accidental or trifling occasions of dispute occur. Hence frequent collisions, obstinate, envenomed, and bloody contests. The nation, prompted by ill will and resentment, sometimes impels to war the government, contrary to the best calculations of policy. The government sometimes participates in the national propensity and adopts through passion what reason would reject; at other times, it makes the animosity of the nation's subservient to projects of hostility, instigated by pride, ambition and other sinister and pernicious motives. The peace often, sometimes perhaps the liberty of nations, has been the victim.

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So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter, without adequate inducements or justifications. It leads also to concessions, to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others, which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions, by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained and by exciting jealously, ill will, and a disposition to retaliate in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity gilding with the appearances of virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils! Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation, dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealously to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike for another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots, who may resist the intrigues of the favorite, are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop.

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Taking care always to keep ourselves, by suitable establishments, on a respectable defensive posture, we may safely trust to temporary alliances for extraordinary emergencies.

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In offering to you, my countrymen, these counsels of an old and affectionate friend, I dare not hope they will make the strong and lasting impression I could wish--that they will control the usual current of the passions or prevent our nation from running the course which has hitherto marked the destiny of nations. But if I may even flatter myself that they may be productive of some partial benefit, some occasional good, that they may now and then recur to moderate the fury of party spirit, to warn against the mischiefs of foreign intrigue, to guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism--this hope will be a full recompense for the solicitude for your welfare by which they have been dictated... - President George Washington, 9/17/1796





 
anybody catch bbc's awesome spin on the funeral?


they have no shame:

The BBC's Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen says that the school was no ordinary seminary. It was the ideological cradle of the settler movement in the West Bank, which could be the reason it was targeted.

Many of its students are on special courses that combine religious study with service in combat units in the Israeli army.

Our editor says that those who gathered at the seminary ahead of the victims' funerals were people who were already opposed to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's decision to engage in talks with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

This incident will only make stronger their determination to stop any agreements going through, our editor says.

looks likes he's been accused of an anti-Israeli bias:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Bowen

Israel leaves Lebanon and what does it get?
Iranian missiles - fired by Hezbollah
Israel leaves Gaza and what does it get?
Rockets - fired by Hamas
Israel lowers restrictions on the West Bank and what does it get?
Gunman and bombers - sent by Arabs
Nobody happy till Jews die!


why is israel expected to negotiate with hamas? hamas won't even recognize the state? is israel supposed to negotiate their own existence? how can israel bargain with a country that includes government-sanctioned laws that encourage attacks against israel??

it's unfortunate the many civilians die in israeli airstrikes, but that's the price you pay. hamas and hezbollah take refugee in civilian areas. they dont care about themselves. they dont care about israel.

this "peace talks" bullsh1t is one hell of a scapegoat.




 
Originally posted by: Noobtastic
anybody catch bbc's awesome spin on the funeral?


they have no shame:

The BBC's Middle East editor Jeremy Bowen says that the school was no ordinary seminary. It was the ideological cradle of the settler movement in the West Bank, which could be the reason it was targeted.

And here is Israel's prime minster saying effecively the same thing:

"This was a carefully-orchestrated terror attack," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said at the opening of the meeting. "It was designed to target a special place in Jerusalem and the flagship of the religious Zionist movement."

Mercaz Harav yeshiva, stated Olmert, has produced "the finest soldiers for many generations; people who have realized the Zionist faith. This yeshiva ? which was founded by Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook ? has educated and nurtured tradition and legacy, as part of Israel's resilience."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articl...7340,L-3516686,00.html
Reporting such relevent facts is the duty of a journalist, the shameless ones are those hiding such truth.

Originally posted by: Noobtastic
Many of its students are on special courses that combine religious study with service in combat units in the Israeli army.

Our editor says that those who gathered at the seminary ahead of the victims' funerals were people who were already opposed to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's decision to engage in talks with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
Were you not aware of these facts? Regardless, reporting them is not a matter of bias as you suggest, but rather one of journalistic integrity.
 
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Reporting such relevent facts is the duty of a journalist, the shameless ones are those hiding such truth.
So true, those details are so relevant.... now we are convinced they deserved to die :roll:

Seriously, I'd like to see you advocating that kind of coverage for all the fake incidents and other orchestrated crap that comes from Gaza, e.g. Al-Durrah.

Of course, in those cases, all you hear is about the poor, abused palestinians.

Journalistic integrity my a$$...

EDIT
Yep, gotta love that guy's article: a good example of oversimplification of history with a little bit of distortion.
 
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