Terrorist attack on civilian students in Israel

[ZzZGuy]

To those who look at the number of deaths on the Palestinian side and directly compare them to the number of Israeli deaths without any context need to sit down and shut up.

Israel has the ability to flatten every major population center in the west bank and gaza, then go and mob up the rest while destroying the combined armies of every Arab country that gives a rats ass about the Palestinian (note Egypt president threatening to shoot any gazan crossing into Egypt).

The Palestinians can fire crappy rockets, suicide bombings, lay traps and attack "soft" targets. The only thing saving them from Israel is Israels self restraint.


If you still haven't caught on, Israel has the ability to pretty much kill every Palestinian, but they don't and target the militants to the best of their ability. Collateral damage comes from the militants operating and hiding among their own civilian populations, there is just no way to avoid civilian deaths.

Now on the Palestinian side, instead of rejoicing the Israeli soldiers death, they rejoice the death of unarmed civilians that have done no more to harm them then a Palestinian mother buying food for her kids has done to harm Israel.

It's not so easy anymore to call all Palestinians savage thugs with the latest progress in the west bank, but if the west bank reverts back to what the gaza strip is currently then i say give them fair warning to move in with their "arab brothers" Egypt and Jordan then bulldoze the whole damn place and annex both areas.

 

[event8horizon]

the response-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ea/israel_palestinians

"Police said an Israeli soldier in the area then shot the man dead. After the shooting, hundreds of seminary students demonstrated outside the building, screaming for revenge and chanting, "Death to Arabs."

death to arabs???? its not the palestianians they were wanting to kill, arabs in general??

do they even know who did it yet??

 

[Jaskalas]

Someday Israel might properly respond to these acts of war. Until that day, their people will continue to die.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: event8horizon
the response-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ea/israel_palestinians

"Police said an Israeli soldier in the area then shot the man dead. After the shooting, hundreds of seminary students demonstrated outside the building, screaming for revenge and chanting, "Death to Arabs."

death to arabs???? its not the palestianians they were wanting to kill, arabs in general??

do they even know who did it yet??

That's what happens when people are emotional. I've been at the scene of terror attacks, people lose control of themselves. Does it bother you when they scream "itbah al yehud" at Gaza demonstrations?

 

[event8horizon]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: event8horizon
the response-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...ea/israel_palestinians

"Police said an Israeli soldier in the area then shot the man dead. After the shooting, hundreds of seminary students demonstrated outside the building, screaming for revenge and chanting, "Death to Arabs."

death to arabs???? its not the palestianians they were wanting to kill, arabs in general??

do they even know who did it yet??

That's what happens when people are emotional. I've been at the scene of terror attacks, people lose control of themselves. Does it bother you when they scream "itbah al yehud" at Gaza demonstrations?

believe it or not, thats exactly what i was thinking....event though i never heard that pharse till now "itbah al yehud" or "Slaughter the Jews . i was thinking how some want to "kill the jews" or whatever phase u wish to use. that also is a very gross generalization linking all the jews under one group if u will.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Nice....you know, Palestenians say the same thing....albeit their version is a bit different...:

Step1: Go to Haifa
Step2: Get to my home and land...which used to be mine....


Those where the days...

Funny, that's the same reasoning used by the Arab "brothers" to keep the palestinians in refugee camps in Gaza and the West Bank for around 20 years, as well as start several wars. In Lebanon and Syria they've kept it up for 60 years and counting.....:thumbsup:

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
To those who look at the number of deaths on the Palestinian side and directly compare them to the number of Israeli deaths without any context need to sit down and shut up.

Israel has the ability to flatten every major population center in the west bank and gaza, then go and mob up the rest while destroying the combined armies of every Arab country that gives a rats ass about the Palestinian (note Egypt president threatening to shoot any gazan crossing into Egypt).

The Palestinians can fire crappy rockets, suicide bombings, lay traps and attack "soft" targets. The only thing saving them from Israel is Israels self restraint.


If you still haven't caught on, Israel has the ability to pretty much kill every Palestinian, but they don't and target the militants to the best of their ability. Collateral damage comes from the militants operating and hiding among their own civilian populations, there is just no way to avoid civilian deaths.

Now on the Palestinian side, instead of rejoicing the Israeli soldiers death, they rejoice the death of unarmed civilians that have done no more to harm them then a Palestinian mother buying food for her kids has done to harm Israel.

It's not so easy anymore to call all Palestinians savage thugs with the latest progress in the west bank, but if the west bank reverts back to what the gaza strip is currently then i say give them fair warning to move in with their "arab brothers" Egypt and Jordan then bulldoze the whole damn place and annex both areas.

The Israelis don't outright slaughter the Palestinians because they are making too much money off them. Apartheid pays pretty well if you're in charge.

 

[imported_dna]

Explanation from ironwing following in 3, 2, 1 ....

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Nice....you know, Palestenians say the same thing....albeit their version is a bit different...:

Step1: Go to Haifa
Step2: Get to my home and land...which used to be mine....


Those where the days...

Funny, that's the same reasoning used by the Arab "brothers" to keep the palestinians in refugee camps in Gaza and the West Bank for around 20 years, as well as start several wars. In Lebanon and Syria they've kept it up for 60 years and counting.....:thumbsup:

palestinians are arab, they are not a separate people with their own land. they are the rejected arabs that no other arab countries want.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: dna
Explanation from ironwing following in 3, 2, 1 ....

You don't understand the Apartheid system? Israel controls all trade in to/out of the territories. The Palestinians have to pay taxes to the Israelis and use Israeli middlemen to sell their goods. Israelis profit from the oppressive system they have created.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: magomago
can't turn it into a smoking crater because then its useless to you. Their goal is to try as hard to instigate the Palestinians so they can respond much more powerfully to slowly remove them from their own land. From their perspective they are winning the casualty numbers and the PR game so they will just keep squeezing until they've pushed all the Arabs to the sea.

and and just to add some content to this thread

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/7270785.stm

its nice to know that JS80 has labelled Palestinians as less than human. I suppose its easier in his eyes to support the death of cockroaches than of humans.

Humans, cockroaches, whatever. They're pests. Exterminate with extreme prejudice.

 

[lupi]

The day after there is no longer a "Gaza" or "West Bank" is the first day serious peace talks can begin. Pork Chop Hill strategy hasn't solved very much over the years.

 

[magomago]

oh and just in case anyone may think otherwise, I feel sorry for the deaths of these students...it is indeed sad. But at the same time I cannot ignore the deaths on the other side.

Its sad how people who were never part of the original conflict are being punished. Do our children inherit our sins now ?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: ironwing
You don't understand the Apartheid system? Israel controls all trade in to/out of the territories. The Palestinians have to pay taxes to the Israelis and use Israeli middlemen to sell their goods. Israelis profit from the oppressive system they have created.

What phenomenal goods do the palestinians have to trade anyway?
The only things they've been exporting recently have been rockets and suicide bombs.

Anyway, I'd like to see a calculation on how Israel is getting net rich from the current state of affairs, after subtracting the security costs.

BTW, the "apartheid" followed the terrorism and not the other way around. That word is as misused as are "massacare" and "holocaust" when uttered by Abbas.

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: ironwing
You don't understand the Apartheid system? Israel controls all trade in to/out of the territories. The Palestinians have to pay taxes to the Israelis and use Israeli middlemen to sell their goods. Israelis profit from the oppressive system they have created.

What phenomenal goods do the palestinians have to trade anyway?
The only things they've been exporting recently have been rockets and suicide bombs.

Anyway, I'd like to see a calculation on how Israel is getting net rich from the current state of affairs, after subtracting the security costs.

BTW, the "apartheid" followed the terrorism and not the other way around. That word is as misused as are "massacare" and "holocaust" when uttered by Abbas.

Considering that apartheid refers to racial segregation, that word has absolutely nothing to do with a country that has Arab parties sitting in it's government, has Arabs members of it's parliament, treats Arab patients in it's hospitals, etc. I've yet to see an Arab Only drinking fountain. When the word was first used in relation to Israel, most normal people who have a clue laughed it off. But repeated use by the Hate Israel crowd has made it seem relevant.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Nice....you know, Palestenians say the same thing....albeit their version is a bit different...:

Step1: Go to Haifa
Step2: Get to my home and land...which used to be mine....


Those where the days...

Funny, that's the same reasoning used by the Arab "brothers" to keep the palestinians in refugee camps in Gaza and the West Bank for around 20 years, as well as start several wars. In Lebanon and Syria they've kept it up for 60 years and counting.....:thumbsup:

Ya those people right now in refugee camps are there most probably because you and your family and people over there are living on their lands as I type this and they can't go back. Way to throw the ball in other countries courts like Lebanon when YOUR people are the ones that won't let innocent civilians go back to the land they had to leave. I see this reasoning a lot in pro-Zionist arguments I might add.

Palestenians don't get a full ride in Arabic countries because they can't become citizens of said countries pure and simple and if they become citizens, then Israel wins and keeps the pre-1948 lands and the right of return of the Palestinian people would hit the windshield like a miserable bug! It's a tough situation, but Arabic countries can't do much more. Lebanon my country for instance, had to suffer a civil war because the Palestenians in there just couldn't stop themselves from shelling Israel in vengeance, they wanted to liberate Palestine and didn't care how that would affect Lebanon, we (the Lebanese people) had to pay the price in 20+ years of brother kills brother wars one of the worst post WWII civil wars witnessed. A beautiful unique country in the ME turned to ruins, gone from Paris of the ME to warzone of the ME overnight.

You just stay put Mr.`G-D GAVE THIS LAND TO ME`, just keep throwing the ball in other countries courts we'll see where you'll get to next. The Palestenians will NEVER get a single Lebanese citizenship nor any other Arabic country will give them one as far as anyone can foresee ATM.
They need to keep demanding and Israel will HAVE TO at some point either they like it or not, to answer. It's their country their cause, I support their right to return because it's fair and it would make my country more stable.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
Nice....you know, Palestenians say the same thing....albeit their version is a bit different...:

Step1: Go to Haifa
Step2: Get to my home and land...which used to be mine....


Those where the days...

Funny, that's the same reasoning used by the Arab "brothers" to keep the palestinians in refugee camps in Gaza and the West Bank for around 20 years, as well as start several wars. In Lebanon and Syria they've kept it up for 60 years and counting.....:thumbsup:

Ya those people right now in refugee camps are there most probably because you and your family and people over there are living on their lands as I type this and they can't go back. Way to throw the ball in other countries courts like Lebanon when YOUR people are the ones that won't let innocent civilians go back to the land they had to leave. I see this reasoning a lot in pro-Zionist arguments I might add.

Palestenians don't get a full ride in Arabic countries because they can't become citizens of said countries pure and simple and if they become citizens, then Israel wins and keeps the pre-1948 lands and the right of return of the Palestinian people would hit the windshield like a miserable bug! It's a tough situation, but Arabic countries can't do much more. Lebanon my country for instance, had to suffer a civil war because the Palestenians in there just couldn't stop themselves from shelling Israel in vengeance, they wanted to liberate Palestine and didn't care how that would affect Lebanon, we (the Lebanese people) had to pay the price in 20+ years of brother kills brother wars one of the worst post WWII civil wars witnessed. A beautiful unique country in the ME turned to ruins, gone from Paris of the ME to warzone of the ME overnight.

You just stay put Mr.`G-D GAVE THIS LAND TO ME`, just keep throwing the ball in other countries courts we'll see where you'll get to next. The Palestenians will NEVER get a single Lebanese citizenship nor any other Arabic country will give them one as far as anyone can foresee ATM.
They need to keep demanding and Israel will HAVE TO at some point either they like it or not, to answer. It's their country their cause, I support their right to return because it's fair and it would make my country more stable.

:thumbsup:

 

[imported_dna]

What a bunch of emotional tripe.

As usual, you ignore the fact that the neighboring countries started the wars that eventually led to the flight of many palestinians.

Regarding your nonsense about Haifa, they palestinians left after they were called to do so by the arab league; so they chose a side and they lost the bet. Seems pretty logical to me that the arab league should have taken care of them.

The above should sound familiar to you, as you your neighbor Nasrallah pulled the same thing in 2006: he called on the arabs to leave towns they shared with the jews -- after he managed to kill two little boys with a rocket.

So, go on ahead and blab about this fictitious right of return, 60 years after the fact -- a fact different than what you claim -- while others have moved along. Notice how nobody is talking about a right of return for the 1 million jews that were forced out across the Middle East after 1948; you've probably suckled on the tit of propaganda for so long that you probably aren't even familiar with that minor detail.

 

[lupi]

And until this maintained illusion about the return of the palenstine state is removed that problem won't go away.

 

[mrCide]

After 60 years, you'd think Israel would try a different strategy as 'big brother' to get a real peace process rolling. But no, more and more of the same. Explain to me how Israelis screaming kill all arabs is any better than Palestinians screaming kill all jews? There is no difference, except one side has American funded guns and tanks. Guess who's responsibility it is to withstand the hate that they started? After decades of being treated like inconsequential garbage, retaliation and eye for an eye does absolutely nothing. It just baffles me that Israel doesn't want to secure their people for the long run. Do people really think Palestinians care one ounce that Israel is targeting militants when they take innocent casualties with them? Do you think as a brother, sister, mother or father you would really give a fuck about Israeli's innocent or well being after they 'oops'd' your family member into pieces for the umpteenth time? 2+2=4.

There will never be peace as long as Israeli's feel that "God gave us this land." That's the bottom line. Until they're willing to make a real sacrifice and remove their heavy bias religion/zionists from government they will never have peace, and it's their own fault.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23504328/



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Hmm, one side directs attacks at students in schools, the other attacks armed men engaged in combat. Yep, morally equivalent. Oh, and no Israelis ran throught the streets celebrating the militants' deaths.

And no, I don't think all muslims are psychos like noobster.

They have a right to defend themselves, but IIRC, more Palestinian CIVILIANS have died in this conflict than Israeli civilians.

I don't understand how the Israeli populace can believe that the retaliation tactic actually makes sense... not to mention their settlement plan. Am I the only one whose mind is boggled by the concept of settling your citizens in your adversary's territory as a path to peace and security?

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: sirjonk
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23504328/



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Hmm, one side directs attacks at students in schools, the other attacks armed men engaged in combat. Yep, morally equivalent. Oh, and no Israelis ran throught the streets celebrating the militants' deaths.

And no, I don't think all muslims are psychos like noobster.

They have a right to defend themselves, but IIRC, more Palestinian CIVILIANS have died in this conflict than Israeli civilians.

gee, you don't think that may be due to the Palestinian terrorists not wearing uniforms, and fighting from amongst the civilian population, do ya? nahhh, that couldnt be it...

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Humans, cockroaches, whatever. They're pests. Exterminate with extreme prejudice.

You are a complete joke. You seem to love to talk big on the interweb about your cache of guns and your right to carry them whenever or where ever you want and openly support the genocide of an entire population and think that you are brave. You are an idiot with the common sense of an 8 year old who thinks that they should be allowed to do what they want without any concerns for the results of their actions.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

gee, you don't think that may be due to the Palestinian terrorists not wearing uniforms, and fighting from amongst the civilian population, do ya? nahhh, that couldnt be it...

You know very well that Palestinian's can't create an army with conventional means. The USA supplies Israel with all sorts of weaponry including nukes, and palestinians if shipped an AK-47 would be outlawed by Israel. Just like Yasser Arafat's boat a few years ago full of weapons that was seized by Israel.

The palestinians fight the way they have to fight, by the only possible means they can. No different than Iraqi's fighting the USA at the present moment. Iraqi's have no way to buy Apache's, wear uniforms, FLIR, night vision, because they are "under seige" by American troops. So they plant bombs in shadows.

Face it, its warfare, they are fighting the only way they can to survive. Israel is no more innocent in this game as the Palestinians. They are both the aggressors, who trade pop shots at each other and then hype up the propaganda game. The only difference. Israel controls the media, there and here, so Israel can always seem to be the innocent child who did nothing wrong. Its bias and BS. And you know very damn well that its true.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Nebor

Humans, cockroaches, whatever. They're pests. Exterminate with extreme prejudice.

You are a complete joke. You seem to love to talk big on the interweb about your cache of guns and your right to carry them whenever or where ever you want and openly support the genocide of an entire population and think that you are brave. You are an idiot with the common sense of an 8 year old who thinks that they should be allowed to do what they want without any concerns for the results of their actions.

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