terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

[realibrad]

And when your two year old reaches for dog poop, do you explain the germ theory of disease to her, or slap her hand and say "no"? Assuming G-d did explain the germ theory of disease, how would these saved billions of people feed themselves? You'd have to learn the entirety of modern civilization in one fell swoop.

You are saying that the people who built Rome were too dumb to understand basic germ theory?

God is supposed to have unlimited power and ability. Had he simply explained to people during the time of Jesus that germs exist and people should wash their hands before eating, it would have saved billions. Had Europe not gone through the plague which was caused by having open sewers in the street, millions would have been saved.

I do not think that argument you put forth holds any water. People were smart enough to do some amazing things back in the day. I think by the time Jesus came it would have been easy enough to explain germs even at a basic level.

 

[norseamd]

You are saying that the people who built Rome were too dumb to understand basic germ theory?

God is supposed to have unlimited power and ability. Had he simply explained to people during the time of Jesus that germs exist and people should wash their hands before eating, it would have saved billions. Had Europe not gone through the plague which was caused by having open sewers in the street, millions would have been saved.

I do not think that argument you put forth holds any water. People were smart enough to do some amazing things back in the day. I think by the time Jesus came it would have been easy enough to explain germs even at a basic level.

You should really read some of the common theories before 1500.

 

[TechBoyJK]

https://youtu.be/Ge9pHidD8sc

Mizzou BLM crowd back at it.

BLM hijacks Orlando Vigil to talk about white people

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Irrelevant to the point being made. He's agreeing with the principle that religions can make people do things that are bad.

Do you actually think that these terrorists coming from an Islamic background is just a coincidence? Or is there something inherent within that is influencing them?

If it was due to the religion why aren't the majority of adult age Muslims committing terrorist attacks? Maybe it's due to people who have bastardized the words of the Quran and can influence people to do bad things. Most people will not go as far as suicide yet some of these people have been influenced to do so.

 

[bshole]

Now for the fundamentalist Christian take on the massacre, here is Steven Anderson (a close personal friend of Dr Dino):

Notorious anti-gay pastor Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona decided to ‘look on the bright side’ after the attacks in Orlando on Sunday and celebrate what he called the “good news” that came out of the shooting: “there’s 50 less pedophiles in this world.”

Anderson said, “These homosexuals are a bunch of disgusting perverts and pedophiles. That’s who was a victim here, are a bunch of just disgusting homosexual at a gay bar, okay?”

However, Anderson also bemoaned what he called the “bad news” that would result from the attack, namely that the crime would be “used…to push for gun control” and also to “Push an agenda against so-called ‘hate speech’ so bible-believing Christian preachers who preach what the Bible actually says about homosexuality–that it’s vile, that it’s disgusting, that they’re reprobates–we’re gonna be blamed.”

Anderson added, “People are going to start attacking bible-believing Christians because of what this guy did.”

“The Bible says that homosexuals should be put to death in Leviticus 20:13. Obviously, it’s not right for someone to just shoot up the place because that’s not going through the proper channels. But these people all should have been killed anyway but they should have been killed through the proper channels as in, they should have been executed by a righteous government that would have tried them, convicted them, and saw them executed…That’s what the Bible says. Plain and simple.”

So ya.... Islam and Christianity are kissing cousins.


http://www.towleroad.com/2016/06/steven-anderson-orlando/

 

[werepossum]

You are saying that the people who built Rome were too dumb to understand basic germ theory?

God is supposed to have unlimited power and ability. Had he simply explained to people during the time of Jesus that germs exist and people should wash their hands before eating, it would have saved billions. Had Europe not gone through the plague which was caused by having open sewers in the street, millions would have been saved.

I do not think that argument you put forth holds any water. People were smart enough to do some amazing things back in the day. I think by the time Jesus came it would have been easy enough to explain germs even at a basic level.

A surprising number of people did understand germ theory in antiquity and in the Middle Ages. They advocated things like honey (natural bactericide) and washing in old wine (the strongest antiseptic then available.) However, most people were not capable of understanding that. Even had everyone understood the germ theory of disease, eliminating the flea and flea hosts population was far beyond medieval technology, and fleas were the main vector of bubonic plague. Open sewers (besides keeping rats fat and breeding) were more commonly vectors in sepsis and dysentery. Even cities with operable sewer systems (exclusively surviving from the Roman Empire by an uncommon combination of good maintenance and lack of city growth) suffered extensively from the Black Death.

 

[Jaskalas]

Because most Muslims are decent human beings intrinsically filled with goodness, being worshipers of Islam simply because of where they happened to be born. Most people have little difficulty ignoring the really bad things in their religion.

I agree, though we need to do a better job of distinguishing those who revel in the "bad things" of their religion. And shape our policy to recognize that the risk factor is massively increased from certain countries.

 

[norseamd]

https://youtu.be/Ge9pHidD8sc

Mizzou BLM crowd back at it.

BLM hijacks Orlando Vigil to talk about white people

That is just fucking despicable and sad.

 

[Blue_Max]

https://youtu.be/Ge9pHidD8sc

Mizzou BLM crowd back at it.

BLM hijacks Orlando Vigil to talk about white people

People need to see this because the superleft progressives keep denying it happens. 😡

 

[werepossum]

I agree, though we need to do a better job of distinguishing those who revel in the "bad things" of their religion. And shape our policy to recognize that the risk factor is massively increased from certain countries.

Agreed on both, although I don't see how we can overcome political correctness to do either.

 

[Svnla]

Latest news. CBS News says there are videos of the shooter and his wife went shopping for ammo and she was driving around with him when he checked out Disneyworld.

Stay tuned.

 

[FrankRamiro]

Latest news. CBS News says there are videos of the shooter and his wife went shopping for ammo and she was driving around with him when he checked out Disneyworld.

Stay tuned.

If that's true? then she was in with him,she lied to the Press.
I suspected that what she and the guy that was with her said did not make sense, that he was a crazy person ,
first she said that she had no contact with him for 7 years,also said he was beating on her during her relationship with him,and now she was so forgiving saying that he acted on the shooting because of a mind disorder of some sort.
i think those two are in it with him.

 

[buckshot24]

If it was due to the religion why aren't the majority of adult age Muslims committing terrorist attacks? Maybe it's due to people who have bastardized the words of the Quran and can influence people to do bad things. Most people will not go as far as suicide yet some of these people have been influenced to do so.

They aren't bastardizing the words of the Koran though. Why are the vast vast majority of terrorists Islamic? Coincidence? Or is there something in the Koran that justifies these atrocities?

And thinking 100% influence to all adherents is necessary to see a problem is ridiculous. Not everybody who smokes develops lung cancer but there is a link between smoking and lung cancer.

 

[1prophet]

Western Secularism is many orders magnitude better than religion. I am speaking in moral terms. Religion was a necessary institution in man's evolution. It is NOW a dangerous detritus that negatively impacts modern societies. I consider it one of the last remaining obstacles impeding a golden age of humanity.

So why are so many so called liberals doing their best to undermine it, especially in Europe by supplanting their dwindling native populations with religious conservatives, on the taxpayers expense, who have no problem reproducing and spreading their anti secular ideology, (funded by our best friends the Saudi's and their tolerant version of Islam),
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...fugees-who-arrived-last-weekend-10495082.html

Saudi Arabia offers Germany 200 mosques – one for every 100 refugees who arrived last weekend

all while the same pretend liberals make excuses for their behavior and call anyone who criticizes it bigot, racist, xenophobe, etc., including covering up the very artwork which defines western secular culture they claim to believe in, so not to offend based on their ill conceived apologist beliefs about Muslims?


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...-in-italy-deemed-too-racy-for-irans-president

and contrary to what the kowtowing apologists believe actual Muslims actually got offended by these pretend liberals trying to define them

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35423028

However, humour has not been the only response. Several Iranians have expressed anger at Italy's "strange move" and blamed the Iranian authorities for it. "The fact that during Rouhani's visit, the statues were covered, is not funny but painful", says one comment on Twitter. Another says :"I am not sure the covering up is an insult to our nation or to the Italians".


Meanwhile, a post on Facebook tried to remind people that Iran had nothing to do with the decision, which came from the Italian side. Some also criticized Italy for giving up its culture to cater to Iran's clerical establishment. This is a sentiment shared by many Italians online as well. In Italy, people used the hashtag "Statue Nude" to post photos of uncensored artworks.

 

[michal1980]

Now for the fundamentalist Christian take on the massacre, here is Steven Anderson (a close personal friend of Dr Dino):






So ya.... Islam and Christianity are kissing cousins.


http://www.towleroad.com/2016/06/steven-anderson-orlando/

right. only in the twisted mind of a liberal.

No fewer than 40 out of 57 Muslim-majority countries or territories have laws that criminalize homosexuality, prescribing punishments ranging from fines and short jail sentences to whippings and more than 10 years in prison or death.

In 2013 the Pew Research Center surveyed the beliefs of Muslims in 36 countries with a significant Muslim population or majority, including asking about their views of homosexuality. In 33 out of the 36 countries, more than 75% of those surveyed answered that homosexuality was “morally wrong,” and in only three did more than 10% of those surveyed believe that homosexuality was “morally acceptable.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/islams-jihad-against-homosexuals-1465859170

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ere-homosexuality-may-be-punished-by-death-2/


no they are not kissing cousins. Only PC liberals are so closed minded to reality.

 

[jackstar7]

Only PC liberals are so closed minded to reality.

Thank goodness we're all non-PC liberals in here, am I right?

 

[woolfe9998]

Right, Jesus fulfilled them on the Cross. Everything was accomplished at that time. The law was "nailed to the cross". It isn't "abolished" but fulfilled as Jesus said it was.

It says nothing about what "until everything is accomplished" means. You're making an inference. But in verse 18, it says "until heaven and earth disappear." Sounds a lot like that means "until Judgment Day" or something to that effect.

If you look at this book (or collection of books) as the works of men and not of God then you're exactly right. But you have to assume that in order to make this argument.

No, I don't have to assume it. The fickle nature of the bible is something which suggests it to begin with. It sounds an awful lot more like humans with their differing opinions than it does a perfect being.

God is perfect and "stationary" but people are not. There were different rules because people were at a different stage, not because God changed.

Exactly my point. This is why the bible sounds a lot like it was written by man, without divine input.

 

[Ns1]

no they are not kissing cousins. Only PC liberals are so closed minded to reality.

they really are though, see all the hardcore Christians who wish death upons gays and recite Bible verses to prove their point.

Face it, both religions have violence in their blood, and to pretend otherwise is like putting fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalala".

 

[brycejones]

they really are though, see all the hardcore Christians who wish death upons gays and recite Bible verses to prove their point.

Face it, both religions have violence in their blood, and to pretend otherwise is like putting fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalala".

But m1980 likes the feeling of his fingers deep in his ears.

 

[Artdeco]

There are several issues at play, one of them is that moderate Muslims are against LGBT's.

The left wants to believe the bulk of Muslims are reformed and more liberal, but that's not the case.

That dammed bell shaped curve strikes again.

 

[Ns1]

There are several issues at play, one of them is that moderate Muslims are against LGBT's.

I would argue that any state that is/was against gay marriage is against LGBT's, and many of those states are dominated by religions other than Islam.

ref: Utah

 

[Artdeco]

I would argue that any state that is/was against gay marriage is against LGBT's, and many of those states are dominated by religions other than Islam.

ref: Utah

Agreed, but Mormons aren't told to kill them.

 

[michal1980]

they really are though, see all the hardcore Christians who wish death upons gays and recite Bible verses to prove their point.

Face it, both religions have violence in their blood, and to pretend otherwise is like putting fingers in your ears and going "lalalalalala".

No they currently are not the same. Christianity has its hardcore groups, but they as a percentage of Christians are far smaller then the people practicing Islam.

I've posted links to support my stance.

So far no one that claims Christians are the same has even attempted that.

 

[Ns1]

No they currently are not the same. Christianity has its hardcore groups, but they as a percentage of Christians are far smaller then the people practicing Islam.

I've posted links to support my stance.

Islam may be more violent than Christianity at this very moment in time, but in the context of history....Christianity is violent as fuck. And while I may agree with you on a personal basis that Islam appears to have more violent followers than Christianity, the number of violent Christians is well above 0.

I really don't think I need to google that for you.

 

[lopri]

That is just fucking despicable and sad.

Agreed.