terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

[buckshot24]

Humans do horrific things. Then they find excuses for them.

Why are more Muslims doing these horrific things than other people?

 

[Jaskalas]

I'll ask this question in here as well. If the Quran really calls for it's believers to kill all non-believers why aren't the majority of them carrying out these directives? Why are they like Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door then killing anyone that will not convert?

Because like Christians, very few are purists. If you live in the west, most the people you know have a degree of western secularism imprinted onto them. Because we live comfortable lives and have no need for the superstition of man-made books. We westerners pay religion lip service more than actual service.

 

[SOFTengCOMPelec]

The real question they ignore is why do so many Muslims do these horrific things? They are getting it from somewhere.

Yes.

I hate the fact that some/all modern western governments have made it NOT politically correct, for us to discuss immigration and why this is so problematic. Also how some groups are more problematic than others.

Big attacks like this can change western society BADLY. We DON'T want western countries to be like some of the worst countries in the world. E.g. I don't want the UK to be like Pakistan/Afghanistan/Syria etc.

 

[realibrad]

You don't have to go back hundreds of years, there are some countries where Christians burn mosques and kill Muslims.

All the Muslims I know were disgusted that Mateen killed these people in the name of Islam.

I'll ask this question in here as well. If the Quran really calls for it's believers to kill all non-believers why aren't the majority of them carrying out these directives? Why are they like Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door then killing anyone that will not convert?

Because people's actions are based on more than just religion. The Bible says to not murder, yet Christians still murder.

 

[bshole]

Because like Christians, very few are purists. If you live in the west, most the people you know have a degree of western secularism imprinted onto them. Because we live comfortable lives and have no need for the superstition of man-made books. We westerners pay religion lip service more than actual service.

Western Secularism is many orders magnitude better than religion. I am speaking in moral terms. Religion was a necessary institution in man's evolution. It is NOW a dangerous detritus that negatively impacts modern societies. I consider it one of the last remaining obstacles impeding a golden age of humanity.

 

[umbrella39]

You're right you don't blame all Muslims for everything, they get to the share the blame in world with anyone you define as "liberals".

But hey points for you having a post without "liberals" in it. 🙂

Don't poke sticks at him for his obvious hypocrisy... I honestly think he is a high functioning aspergers patient that is stuck on routine and stupid...

 

[jackstar7]

Hmm. Decades of violence vs decades of child sexual abuse. Religion sure is great. Hoo-boy.

 

[Ns1]

Hmm. Centuries of violence and child sexual abuse vs centuries of violence and child sexual abuse. Religion sure is great. Hoo-boy.

ftfy.

 

[FrankRamiro]

You don't have to go back hundreds of years, there are some countries where Christians burn mosques and kill Muslims.

All the Muslims I know were disgusted that Mateen killed these people in the name of Islam.

I'll ask this question in here as well. If the Quran really calls for it's believers to kill all non-believers why aren't the majority of them carrying out these directives? Why are they like Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door then killing anyone that will not convert?

Ye ye,that was hundreds years ago, but we're talking about now,
it's true I'm a non believer of any of these religions crap, but these day in most Democratic countries i can shout out loud , that religions are the cancer of humanity and even can say they all should be baned,but i would not dare to shout out loud same thing in Muslim Countries,you would be dead in a heart beat.

 

[Jaskalas]

Why are more Muslims doing these horrific things than other people?

Okay... at a basic and individual level... Mateen was already a horrible person. Islam or not, if he thinks its cool to massacre innocent people he's freaking monster.

Now... we humans are always struggling between right and wrong. Between moral and immoral. Because when we come into contact with the violence and horror of a person like Mateen, his hatred is spread onto us like a disease. Survivors feel a broken emotional desire to respond in kind, to do immoral things. This is contrary to our usual feelings of empathy. Trauma breaks our social bonds and makes us more like Mateen.

Throw religion into the mix, and even Christians with this disease will make excuses for their evil behavior. The problem Islam has is it's just the easiest to make excuses out of... given the whole Mohamed was a conquering warlord bit. Following in that example is more consistent with broken humans than placing yourself on a cross.

Moreover, there are parts of the world more broken than others. Where rampant violence and harsher realities forge monsters out of ordinary men. Then those men immigrate to America 29-30 years ago... and raise a Son in their own bloody image. Some_ONE_ helped spread the disease of hatred onto Mateen and told him Islam was a crutch to hold onto it with.

 

[buckshot24]

Okay... at a basic and individual level... Mateen was already a horrible person. Islam or not, if he thinks its cool to massacre innocent people he's freaking monster.

And he just so happened to grow up in a militant home who believe a religion and a man who killed unbelievers and spread his message via the sword. Total coincidence!

Throw religion into the mix, and even Christians with this disease will make excuses for their evil behavior. The problem Islam has is it's just the easiest to make excuses out of... given the whole Mohamed was a conquering warlord bit. Following in that example is more consistent with broken humans than placing yourself on a cross.

So there is something inherent within the system that makes more of its adherents commit horrible acts. You don't have the Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, or Buddhists doing these things in any appreciable number. It isn't an after the fact justification you're saying it is it is a direct cause and effect.

 

[buckshot24]

Hmm. Decades of violence vs decades of child sexual abuse. Religion sure is great. Hoo-boy.

Then you have the Stalins and Maos of the world.

 

[Retro Rob]

Hmm. Decades of violence vs decades of child sexual abuse. Religion sure is great. Hoo-boy.

Then you have the Stalins and Maos of the world.

All have the same thing in common...people.

This race to the bottom mentality is nauseating...🙄

 

[realibrad]

Then you have the Stalins and Maos of the world.

whom went around killing people because of something that is mutually exclusive to religion?

 

[waggy]

ftfy.

good fix.


I think the issue is MEN get into religion and find they can do anything. so some men that get into go into it for evil reasons.

Be it money, power or access to children.

 

[realibrad]

good fix.


I think the issue is men get into religion and find they can do anything. So some men that get into go into it for evil reasons.

Be it money, power or access to children.

Did you just assume their gender identity!?!?!?!?

 

[buckshot24]

good fix.


I think the issue is MEN get into religion and find they can do anything. so some men that get into go into it for evil reasons.

Be it money, power or access to children.

These are called charlatans.

 

[buckshot24]

Hmm. Decades of violence vs decades of child sexual abuse. Religion sure is great. Hoo-boy.

So you agree in principle that Islam could be causing many of its adherents to commit atrocities?

 

[agent00f]

So you agree in principle that Islam could be causing many of its adherents to commit atrocities?

The reason why violence by ME "foreigners" is often in *our* news is those darkies are killing *our* people. I would think that violence perpetrated by us on, let's say the iraqis, would be in their news.

And let's not pretend this is somehow an exchange between equals. In that case, iraqi dead mounted to something like 1million in a country of maybe 30. That would be ~equivalent of 10million dead americans proportionately.

Assuming this guy was directly on a mission from afghanistan were I suspect the ratio is similar, and killed 100 people, that's basically nothing in comparison, ie 100:10,000,000 or 1:100,000. Let me spell it out in simple words, america is ~100,000 times more violent than the darkies even with a rather unfair assumption against them.

Now, is that ultra-violent mentally attributable to christianity, or democracy, or what?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

So you agree in principle that Islam could be causing many of its adherents to commit atrocities?

Actually I believe he's also speaking of "Christian Priests" as well. Do you believe the Bible directed them to commit these atrocities?

 

[bshole]

So you agree in principle that Islam could be causing many of its adherents to commit atrocities?

Like bombing abortion clinics or murdering abortion doctors?

 

[buckshot24]

Actually I believe he's also speaking of "Christian Priests" as well. Do you believe the Bible directed them to commit these atrocities?

Irrelevant to the point being made. He's agreeing with the principle that religions can make people do things that are bad.

Do you actually think that these terrorists coming from an Islamic background is just a coincidence? Or is there something inherent within that is influencing them?

 

[buckshot24]

Like bombing abortion clinics or murdering abortion doctors?

Have you ever heard the term "false equivalence"? Look it up.

 

[agent00f]

Given how ultra-violent americans are, other countries should be 100,000x more justified in banning any migration or even tourism from the US. In any objective measure we have murder in our eyes, relatively speaking.

Or maybe they should be encouraging more white people to visit so they don't get bombed.

 

[werepossum]

That isn't entirely inaccurate. But I'd rather say that each reflects then contemporary currents of political and moral thought. Different times, different rules.

It is worth mentioning, however, that in medieval Europe they did execute people for sodomy, and in fact, we jailed people for it in the USA as recently as 20 years ago before it was declared unconstitutional. So whatever Buckshot or Werepossum want to argue about the rules changing, their interpretation appears to be of recent vintage. I think it isn't coincidental that the moment Old Testament rules start to conflict with contemporary morality is the moment Christians suddenly start disavowing the Old Testament laws.

This is why the content of scriptures doesn't matter as much as some people claim it does. The same is true of Islam.

Societies change slowly, until they reach a tipping point. Contemporary morality is part of that change.

OR God could have just explained the fucking germ theory of disease, saving billions from horrible suffering and PROVING BEYOND DOUBT to this generation that the Bible was inspired by a divine entity. Instead we get wild ass inferences like the one above. Christianity is dying. It is already dead for intelligent college educated people.

And when your two year old reaches for dog poop, do you explain the germ theory of disease to her, or slap her hand and say "no"? Assuming G-d did explain the germ theory of disease, how would these saved billions of people feed themselves? You'd have to learn the entirety of modern civilization in one fell swoop.

You don't have to go back hundreds of years, there are some countries where Christians burn mosques and kill Muslims.

All the Muslims I know were disgusted that Mateen killed these people in the name of Islam.

I'll ask this question in here as well. If the Quran really calls for it's believers to kill all non-believers why aren't the majority of them carrying out these directives? Why are they like Jehovah's Witnesses going door to door then killing anyone that will not convert?

Because most Muslims are decent human beings intrinsically filled with goodness, being worshipers of Islam simply because of where they happened to be born. Most people have little difficulty ignoring the really bad things in their religion.