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terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

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Why did God exhort them to kills gays then but not now?
We can only guess but it may have something to do with keeping his people separated from the rest of the world (who practiced all these things) so Genesis 3:15 could eventually be fulfilled and eventually produce the Messiah.

Whatever it really is doesn't change the fact that Moses spoke these rules to the Israelites that just came out of captivity and we should keep this in its proper context. Jesus taught to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you. He never called for us to exact vengeance or judgment on any sin.
 
Back on topic.. Some reports are coming out that Disneyworld informed the FBI that it appeared the shooter was casing the park,

The FBI was notified about this in April.

April... same time his brother-in-law purchased their house for $100.
Gee, why do you suppose they were attempting to secure their assets?
Maybe cause the mad dog terrorist was known to be prepping Jihad.
 
April... same time his brother-in-law purchased their house for $100.
Gee, why do you suppose they were attempting to secure their assets?
Maybe cause the mad dog terrorist was known to be prepping Jihad.
There may be quite a few people going to prison over this.
 
April... same time his brother-in-law purchased their house for $100.
Gee, why do you suppose they were attempting to secure their assets?
Maybe cause the mad dog terrorist was known to be prepping Jihad.

At the very very least stop using this horrible mixed metaphor. Mad dogs don't prepare anything or for anything.
 
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Irish Catholics and Protestants during the troubles
Church of England and the Catholic Church during the Jacobite uprising.

Shia Sunni in Syria



So we have guy who according to his family preferd to work out instead of going to services and has claimed affiliation with two groups that are diametrically opposed.

I'm not buying any direct terrorist link other than the one in his head.
Again, they are hardly "diametrically opposed". They agree on killing and/or enslaving the infidels (i.e. every non-Muslim) and establishing the global caliphate; they only disagree on who should run it once all those pesky non-Muslims are dead.

Wrong. SOT-A 506, D Co, 2/5th SFG(A) among other assignments spanning 11 years. While there are plenty of armorers and ultra enthusiasts who will have forgotten more than I ever know about guns I think I can safely say I know a bit about most typical milspec weapons and their civilian variants from tens of thousands of hours carrying said weapons and tens of thousands of rounds fired through them.

I'm unsure why my service record really matters however, if you have concerns with the accuracy of any of my statements about firearms they can be analyzed on the merits of their own truth value.

http://cpg.stparchive.com/Archive/CPG/CPG10041996p78.php

I'm on the far left in the photo below.

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Thank you for your service.

Yeah, what bothers me almost as much the piece of shit are the Christians claiming that his words have nothing to do with the bible.

http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news...stor-upset-more-didnt-die-in-orlando/40049716

Yet:

- Leviticus 20:13

The piece of shit was doing nothing more than accurately stating the dictates of his chosen religion.

It's just like with the people saying that those who preach violence aren't "true Muslims."
Leviticus is Old Testament. Before Christ. Several hundred years before Christ. It isn't even applicable to the Jews anymore. It's important to know, since it's the first part of the Law and thus our Christian heritage, but it is not an integral part of Christianity or Christ's message. By contrast, the prescriptions to murder and enslave the infidel are quotes from Muhammad himself. Perhaps you can see how those two things are different.
 
Again, they are hardly "diametrically opposed". They agree on killing and/or enslaving the infidels (i.e. every non-Muslim) and establishing the global caliphate; they only disagree on who should run it once all those pesky non-Muslims are dead.


Thank you for your service.


Leviticus is Old Testament. Before Christ. Several hundred years before Christ. It isn't even applicable to the Jews anymore. It's important to know, since it's the first part of the Law and thus our Christian heritage, but it is not an integral part of Christianity or Christ's message. By contrast, the prescriptions to murder and enslave the infidel are quotes from Muhammad himself. Perhaps you can see how those two things are different.

This "God" is the same one. No one has yet explained why at one point in history, God wants homosexuals to die but in another, he apparently changes his mind.
 
Yeah, what bothers me almost as much the piece of shit are the Christians claiming that his words have nothing to do with the bible.

http://www.kcra.com/news/local-news...stor-upset-more-didnt-die-in-orlando/40049716

Yet:



- Leviticus 20:13

The piece of shit was doing nothing more than accurately stating the dictates of his chosen religion.

It's just like with the people saying that those who preach violence aren't "true Muslims."

"You shall not kill."
The fifth commandment
 
This "God" is the same one. No one has yet explained why at one point in history, God wants homosexuals to die but in another, he apparently changes his mind.
It's all part of His "bizarre and unknowable plan". But how about this? At one point in history, the Israelites were hanging onto survival by a thread, with enemies all around. At that point, with warfare largely limited to human muscle, victory was largely dependent on how many spearmen, slingers, shieldbearers, etc. one could field. Victory often meant survival, with the losing tribe or people being scattered if not obliterated. In such an environment, homosexuality threatens the group's survival, as it needs all the children it can sire and raise. (Even in the High Middle Ages, child survival was hit and miss, usually with no better than even odds of survival to adulthood even with all the advantages money and power could secure.) Homosexuality in that environment would be selfishness. Later on, the Israelites were more numerous and more spread out, even if not necessarily free. The individual could be allowed more freedom without endangering the rest of the group. Think of crossing the road; as a small child, approaching a road will bring swift punishment because it endangers the child. But as the child matures, such rules are relaxed. In fact, have to be relaxed, else the child cannot mature.
 
Boy, FBI has egg on their face. Scratch that, tar on their face. Some of the things he said to his co workers and the FBI had on file were pretty crazy.
Perhaps. Maybe if we knew the "rules of engagement" that have been foisted on the FBI by the current regime it would appear differently. What role does the FBI play and what role does the DOJ play?

Is it coming into focus?
 
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Oh... and the religion of peace just killed a French policeman and his wife. I'm sure they were oppressing him, somehow... 😡

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-crime-idUSKCN0YZ2KA

I guess when they were called to make this the bloodiest Ramadan ever for the world to fear islam, they meant it.

hang on, let me find a person with a Muslim sounding name doing something good to prove that all Muslims are good people.
 
Oh... and the religion of peace just killed a French policeman and his wife. I'm sure they were oppressing him, somehow... 😡

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-crime-idUSKCN0YZ2KA

I guess when they were called to make this the bloodiest Ramadan ever for the world to fear islam, they meant it.

No, an ignorant idiot chose to follow the orders of a radical rather than what his religion text call for him to do.


hang on, let me find a person with a Muslim sounding name doing something good to prove that all Muslims are good people.

Many Muslims do no harm to anyone just like most Christians who follow the teaching of their religion.

Then again both of you are too ignorant and more than likely have never traveled outside the US. And definitely have never met and got to know anyone that is a Muslim.
 
Many Muslims do no harm to anyone just like most Christians who follow the teaching of their religion.

Then again both of you are too ignorant and more than likely have never traveled outside the US. And definitely have never met and got to know anyone that is a Muslim.
I've known Muslims in the past and count them among my friends. That doesn't mean Mohammed wasn't a barbarian who instructed his followers to kill.
 
No, an ignorant idiot chose to follow the orders of a radical rather than what his religion text call for him to do.




Many Muslims do no harm to anyone just like most Christians who follow the teaching of their religion.

Then again both of you are too ignorant and more than likely have never traveled outside the US. And definitely have never met and got to know anyone that is a Muslim.

I dont see you calling sportage out, and others that blame Christians for everything.
 
Trying to pin down a single motive or reason is futile, and only reveals the speaker's predisposition, imo. Homophobia, Islamic terrorism, and the ease of firearms acquisition all played the part in this tragedy. Therefore our response should also be multipronged.
 
Maybe someone can clear up...

Leviticus 20:13 in the bible can be ignored because it doesn't apply to todays times.

Why can't same rational be used for what the Quran says about infidels?
 
It's all part of His "bizarre and unknowable plan". But how about this? At one point in history, the Israelites were hanging onto survival by a thread, with enemies all around. At that point, with warfare largely limited to human muscle, victory was largely dependent on how many spearmen, slingers, shieldbearers, etc. one could field. Victory often meant survival, with the losing tribe or people being scattered if not obliterated. In such an environment, homosexuality threatens the group's survival, as it needs all the children it can sire and raise. (Even in the High Middle Ages, child survival was hit and miss, usually with no better than even odds of survival to adulthood even with all the advantages money and power could secure.) Homosexuality in that environment would be selfishness. Later on, the Israelites were more numerous and more spread out, even if not necessarily free. The individual could be allowed more freedom without endangering the rest of the group. Think of crossing the road; as a small child, approaching a road will bring swift punishment because it endangers the child. But as the child matures, such rules are relaxed. In fact, have to be relaxed, else the child cannot mature.

First of all, I want to point out that there is ambiguity in the Bible as to whether the New Testament abolishes the laws and decrees of the Old Testament. For example, Matthew 5:17-19:

"17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands
and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Given that there are conflicting passages in relation to this, I think the interpretation suggesting that Old Testament laws were abolished is illogical, at least in regards to any issue for which the New Testament is silent. So, for example, Leviticus says death for homosexuals. But the New Testament is silent on the punishment, if any, for homosexual behavior. Romans condemns it as an "abomination" but says nothing one way or the other about punishment. Did God really intend his followers to suddenly have no laws whatsoever on many issues? Doesn't seem all that likely.

As to your explanation, it's very creative. I'll give you that. However, allow me to suggest a rather pedestrian, alternative explanation for why we see a God with a totally different personality in the New Testament than the one we see in the Old Testament. These books were written by many different people, the New in an entirely different era than the Old. The personality of God, and the laws and decrees of each, reflect the differing beliefs, opinions and value systems of the people who wrote these books.

That, or this perfect being is rather fickle, and not just in regard to homosexuality, but in regards to many things.

Sometimes the simplest and most mundane explanations turn out to be the correct ones.
 
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I dont see you calling sportage out, and others that blame Christians for everything.

Glad to know you and sportage are of the same mentality. You blame Muslims for everything and sportage blames Christians for everything. That may be why I considered post by either of you to be ignorant drivel.
 
First of all, I want to point out that there is ambiguity in the Bible as to whether the New Testament abolishes the laws and decrees of the Old Testament. For example, Matthew 5:17-19:

"17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands
and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Given that there are conflicting passages in relation to this, I think the interpretation suggesting that Old Testament laws were abolished is illogical, at least in regards to any issue for which the New Testament is silent. So, for example, Leviticus says death for homosexuals. But the New Testament is silent on the punishment, if any, for homosexual behavior. Romans condemns it as an "abomination" but says nothing one way or the other about punishment. Did God really intend his followers to suddenly have no laws whatsoever on many issues? Doesn't seem all that likely.

As to your explanation, it's very creative. I'll give you that. However, allow me to suggest a rather pedestrian, alternative explanation for why we see a God with a totally different personality in the New Testament than the one we see in the Old Testament. These books were written by many different people, the New in an entirely different era than the Old. The personality of God, and the laws and decrees of each, reflect the differing beliefs, opinions and value systems of the people who wrote these books. That, or this perfect being is rather fickle.

Sometimes the simplest and most mundane explanations turn out to be the correct ones.

Don't mean to be flip but sounds like you are saying New Testament is PC version of OT
 
I've known Muslims in the past and count them among my friends. That doesn't mean Mohammed wasn't a barbarian who instructed his followers to kill.

So why does the Quran have a "Thou shall not kill" commandment which is the equivalent of the Bible's "Thou shall not kill" commandment. True Muslims believe these terrorist acts and/or murder will condemn the person who commit them to hell.
 
So why does the Quran have a "Thou shall not kill" commandment which is the equivalent of the Bible's "Thou shall not kill" commandment. True Muslims believe these terrorist acts and/or murder will condemn the person who commit them to hell.
Who is a true Muslim?

Why wouldn't Muslims emulate Mohammed? Has history gotten him wrong as well?
 
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