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terrorist attack in Orlando gay club - 50 dead, another 53 wounded

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Venix said:
They're already able to do something about it. The FBI investigated Mateen twice and found no evidence of criminal intent. Do you believe that he should have been punished anyway despite that lack of evidence?

And just to be clear, I oppose violating any Constitutional rights, even in cases where it might improve safety. I'm also entirely unconvinced that any of the civil rights infringements proposed in response to this attack would have prevented it.
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I think you misread my post. I said I do not agree with these laws. I'm questioning Speedy's logic.
 
Capt Caveman said:
30 years is not recent. You do know that this killer was born in NYC 29 years ago, right? And thus his parents migrated to the US over 29 years ago.

What immigrant group was Timothy McVeigh of?
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I will repeat this for the third time. If you don't believe that cultures that oppress women, kill gays, support theocracies, hate science, etc... ARE TOXIC to first world secular nations, what can I say other than you are wrong. There is a reason that ONLY Muslim immigrants or their children engage in terror attacks. No other immigrant group to America does this. Not a single fucking one. This is not rocket science. It is simple.
 
bshole said:
I will repeat this for the third time. If you don't believe that cultures that oppress women, kill gays, support theocracies, hate science, etc... ARE TOXIC to first world secular nations, what can I say other than you are wrong. There is a reason that ONLY Muslim immigrants or their children engage in terror attacks. No other immigrant group to America does this. Not a single fucking one. This is not rocket science. It is simple.
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And you're wrong. Unless Timothy McVeigh is Muslim. I like that you skipped that whole recent thing because you're wrong there too.
 
bshole said:
I will repeat this for the third time. If you don't believe that cultures that oppress women, kill gays, support theocracies, hate science, etc... ARE TOXIC to first world secular nations, what can I say other than you are wrong. There is a reason that ONLY Muslim immigrants or their children engage in terror attacks. No other immigrant group to America does this. Not a single fucking one. This is not rocket science. It is simple.
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Evangelic-- oh wait. I see.

Carry on a-ragin'.
 
Capt Caveman said:
And you're wrong. Unless Timothy McVeigh is Muslim. I like that you skipped that whole recent thing because you're wrong there too.
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Dude, if you think I am gonna defend Christian nutters you are wrong, I am a borderline anti-theist. The DIFFERENCE is that Christian crazies already live here, WE AREN'T FUCKING IMPORTING THEM INTO THE GOD-DAMN COUNTRY. Jesus fucking christ. Surely you can tell the difference. Why would you support importing more Islamic immigrants when you are fully aware that either they or their children have a mathematically SIGNIFICANT chance of committing acts of terrorism? Furthermore why are they the ONLY immigrant group with this propensity? Not a single other immigrant class engages in this kind of behavior.
 
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Capt Caveman said:
And you're wrong. Unless Timothy McVeigh is Muslim. I like that you skipped that whole recent thing because you're wrong there too.
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Remind me again did he use firearms to kill those innocent people in Oklahoma? Did he pledge himself to a Radical, global and very organized religious terrorist group that has tendrils in the Middle-East, Africa, Asia but also in every Western nation or was he just a lone and unforeseen, unaccounted for lunatic?
 
umbrella39 said:
Republicans solution to Islamic terrorism, arm every child and deport all American born citizens that aren't Christian. Strawman building IS fun...
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While democrats call for non-border enforcement, and banning of all firearms because that surely will not create a black market for firearms for the criminal or terrorist element. Especially over that same border that democrats refuse to secure and which is steadily being taken over and dominated by Mexican drug cartels who are always keen to expand their markets.
 
Greenman said:
Honestly, I find this entire rant to be just about as stupid as what the extremists think. Label everyone you disagree with as the same "type", and then hate them. I'm not sure why you felt the need to include sexual exploits, I don't think anyone here cares.
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Disagreement and talking is fine, we all do it but to even introduce the unreasonable thinking of deporting US citizens just because of their skin color or race is beyond disagreement and that's what his compatriots want to do.

Haven't you got the robo calls for Trump's white folks only?
 
bshole said:
There is a reason that ONLY Muslim immigrants or their children engage in terror attacks.
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There are other attacks, shootings, acts of terror, etc.
Not all by Muslims.

The issue is that the identity of Islam itself is in association with groups like ISIS. Anyone who feels attached to that identity is being called on to act in association with ISIS. It's a connective tissue to the heart of organized terrorism acting out in the world today. Such attacks have happened in California, Paris, Belgium, Florida, and many other locations around the world. It is a virus... an epidemic... and it is raging TODAY.

And it's not Jehovah witnesses that are being affected.

We need to take actions to stop the spread of the disease of Islamic terrorism, and that starts by stopping immigration from the source. By reaching out to Islamic communities and finding leaders we can work with to expose entry points and attack vectors. Muslims who will call out communications that need to be investigated from overseas contacts. To root out and isolate the foreign contagion.

I want this terrorist's associates named and captured.

I want others like him to feel a reality that America will not invite them, will not harbor them, and will ultimately stop them. That they do not get to live here among us.
 
Indus said:
Disagreement and talking is fine, we all do it but to even introduce the unreasonable thinking of deporting US citizens just because of their skin color or race is beyond disagreement and that's what his compatriots want to do.

Haven't you got the robo calls for Trump's white folks only?
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First Islam is not a race, Mexican is not a race.

Second, NO ONE has stated "DEPORT ALL BROWN PEOPLE" as that is just the figment of the triggered left's imagination or worse their wild rantings and ravings because others do not share their delusion.

Try harder.
 
OP needs to update the title (number of dead) of the thread.

Officials - 50 is dead, 53 is wounded, many critical. Stay tuned.
 
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DucatiMonster696 said:
Remind me again did he use firearms to kill those innocent people in Oklahoma? Did he pledge himself to a Radical, global and very organized religious terrorist group that has tendrils in the Middle-East, Africa, Asia but also in every Western nation or was he just a lone and unforeseen, unaccounted for lunatic?
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as we keep saying it's not the tool that really matters. So the fact he didn't use a gun means jack shit. A radical is a radical and they will use whatever they can from fertilizer, guns to pressure cookers.

Also i don't give a flying fuck who he pledged to. a terrorist is a terrorist.


THOUGH. right now Islam seems to be the main culprit for terrorist attacks in the last 20 years. trying to say Islam has nothing to do with it is wrong.
 
bshole said:
Dude, if you think I am gonna defend Christian nutters you are wrong, I am a borderline anti-theist. The DIFFERENCE is that Christian crazies already live here, WE AREN'T FUCKING IMPORTING THEM INTO THE GOD-DAMN COUNTRY. Jesus fucking christ. Surely you can tell the difference. Why would you support importing more Islamic immigrants when you are fully aware that either they or their children have a mathematically SIGNIFICANT chance of committing acts of terrorism? Furthermore why are they the ONLY immigrant group with this propensity? Not a single other immigrant class engages in this kind of behavior.
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On what "massive scale" (UNLESS YOU ARE A TRUMP LOVER) is this "Muslim import" going on? There is no such thing, except normal, rather low numbers (compared to Europe) of Muslim immigrants. There are no refugees or thousands of Muslim immigrant lines in the US.

You can rant as long as you want.

You make a mistake, because A) saying that Islam, as a culture is violent, anti-gay, anti-women, misogynistic etc. which is entirely CORRECT......but the problem is NOT B) Muslims immigrating on a massive scale into the US, making this the main, primary cause of the problem.

But you ARE ranting and claiming exactly this, that there is a massive wave of Muslims coming into the US, which is SIMPLY.NOT.CORRECT
 
umbrella39 said:
Republicans solution to Islamic terrorism, arm every child and deport all American born citizens that aren't Christian. Strawman building IS fun...
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That's not a strawman, it's a blatant lie. Republicans have never suggested deporting American citizens. Republicans have never suggested arming every child.

Democrats have proposed disarming Americans and increasing Muslim immigration. However, I do agree that calling that their "solution to Islamic terrorism" is a strawman. Civilian disarmament and increased Muslim immigration are both popular Democratic policies, but they aren't related.
 
DucatiMonster696 said:
Remind me again did he use firearms to kill those innocent people in Oklahoma? Did he pledge himself to a Radical, global and very organized religious terrorist group that has tendrils in the Middle-East, Africa, Asia but also in every Western nation or was he just a lone and unforeseen, unaccounted for lunatic?
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And what does that have to do with being a terrorist? The Unibomber wasn't a terrorist? Or are you saying only radical Islamic Muslims can be terrorists?
 
flexy said:
On what "massive scale" (UNLESS YOU ARE A TRUMP LOVER) is this "Muslim import" going on? There is no such thing, except normal, rather low numbers (compared to Europe) of Muslim immigrants. There are no refugees or thousands of Muslim immigrant lines in the US.

You can rant as long as you want.

You make a mistake, because A) saying that Islam, as a culture is violent, anti-gay, anti-women, misogynistic etc. which is entirely CORRECT......but the problem is NOT B) Muslims immigrating on a massive scale into the US, making this the main, primary cause of the problem.

But you ARE ranting and claiming exactly this, that there is a massive wave of Muslims coming into the US, which is SIMPLY.NOT.CORRECT
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That is the rub isn't it? They are only a tiny trickle into America. Almost statistically insignificant except in one regard. All muslim terror attacks in America stem from them. In terms of body count, they are the number one terror threat in America. That is an incredible feat for a group that is so tiny. That is also the reason I do not support letting more of them in. If this is the kind of mayhem and carnage they can inflict with just a few, can you imagine what would happen if they immigrated in numbers?
 
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