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With the attacks continue in Iraq and the attacks of people in Istanbul I seriously think they are winning and they seem to be chipping away at America's willpower which is not good.
 

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
With the attacks continue in Iraq and the attacks of people in Istanbul I seriously think they are winning and they seem to be chipping away at America's willpower which is not good.
Winning what? To what end? America's desire to exterminate terrorism is overly idealistic and impossible.
 

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I don't know if they are winning, but the certainly are having some success. Saudi Arabia is I fear very close to crumbling, and Pakistan is also very close to the brink held in check only by its very strong military. The new Domino theory.
 

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Wow I even forgot about the Saudi Arabia attack, they seem to have had a lot of successful attacks lately.
 

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Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
With the attacks continue in Iraq and the attacks of people in Istanbul I seriously think they are winning and they seem to be chipping away at America's willpower which is not good.
Winning what? To what end? America's desire to exterminate terrorism is overly idealistic and impossible.
And hypocritical, since the US harbors international terrorist.
 

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Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
With the attacks continue in Iraq and the attacks of people in Istanbul I seriously think they are winning and they seem to be chipping away at America's willpower which is not good.
Winning what? To what end? America's desire to exterminate terrorism is overly idealistic and impossible.
And hypocritical, since the US harbors international terrorist.

ummm..who?
 

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
With the attacks continue in Iraq and the attacks of people in Istanbul I seriously think they are winning and they seem to be chipping away at America's willpower which is not good.
Winning what? To what end? America's desire to exterminate terrorism is overly idealistic and impossible.
And hypocritical, since the US harbors international terrorist.

ummm..who?
Orlando Bosch
 

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Middle East

Draw a circle at 400 miles radius centered in Baghdad, and assess the threat risk there to the U.S. and Isreal.

Extend the circle to 1,000 miles and review again.

There is not one 'al-Queda' - there are bunches of un-related, and non-connected groups of rebels
that for what ever pourpose - be it Power, or Political, or even Religion - they only want it their way.
We do not have the luxury of one single adversary, as they are splinters within their country,
just as we have splinter para-military groups here in the US of A.
(Would they really have the balls to do what they are saying)

Old Blood-line resentments, and political instability are evident everwhere around that region.

Israel, Syria, Jordan to the West - lot's of threats active there.
Turkey and some Soviet Bloc remanants, a small (?) tip of Iran to the North, that's cute.

To the East, Iran covers the horizon, but just over that horizon is Afganistan (Remember Afganistan ? It's still out there)
And you know how buddy-buddy we've been with them these last twenty-some years.

As we gaze to the south we find the Saudi Empire, and snuggled up real tight are our great allies Kuwait.
Yep, we like 'em. Good people. Got all that Hummer food.
And if you close your eyes real tight and concentrate real hard - and you've gotta believe - you can see the Horn of Africa !
And what to my wondering eyes does appear but Somolia, and that place that they keep all those starving childern - Ethiopia.

Isn't that just a peachy place for us to get involved on a mission from God ?

 

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Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
With the attacks continue in Iraq and the attacks of people in Istanbul I seriously think they are winning and they seem to be chipping away at America's willpower which is not good.
Winning what? To what end? America's desire to exterminate terrorism is overly idealistic and impossible.
And hypocritical, since the US harbors international terrorist.

ummm..who?
Orlando Bosch
man let it go...the guy is fighting agianst Fidel Castro....

 

VioletAura

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

man let it go...the guy is fighting agianst Fidel Castro....
Following that logic people should excuse Bin Laden since he is against bush... I don't think so.

Orlando Bosch?s terrorist curriculum vitae

January 8, 1968: A bomb explodes in a suitcase in Havana

January 25, 1968: Bombs placed in various commercial
establishments in the United States

February 1, 1968: Mexican Consulate in Miami bombed

February 2, 1968: Bomb placed in British consul?s house in Miami

March 12, 1968: Bomb placed in restaurant belonging to Cuban
immigrants in the United States

March 13, 1968: Bomb placed in Chilean Consulate in the United
States

April 2, 1968: Bomb placed in pharmaceutical company in United
States

April 22, 1968: Bomb placed in Mexican Consulate, United States

April 22, 1968: Bomb placed in Spanish Tourism Office in the United
States

May 5, 1968: British ship Greenwood bombed in the United States

May 25, 1968: Bomb placed aboard the Japanese ship Aroka Maru
in the United States

June 21, 1968: Bomb placed in Spanish Tourism Office in the United
States

June 23, 1968: Bomb placed in Mexican Tourism Office in the United
States

June 27, 1968: Bomb explodes in the garage of Mexican consul to
the United States

July 4, 1968: Bomb placed in Cuban Consulate in Canada

July 4, 1968: Bomb placed in Canadian Tourism Office in United
States

July 7, 1968: Bomb placed in Japanese Tourism Office in the United
States

July 11, 1968: Bomb explodes near Cuban Mission to the UN,
causing damage to the Yugoslavian mission

July 11, 1968: Bomb placed aboard the Japanese ship Michagesan
Maru in Mexico

July 14, 1968: Bomb placed in Mexican Tourism Office in the United
States

July 15, 1968: Bomb discovered in a French government office in the
United States

July 16, 1968: Bomb discovered in the Mexican Consulate, United
States

July 17, 1968: Bomb placed in Cuban diplomat?s home in the United
States

July 19, 1968: Bomb placed in French Tourism Office in the United
States

July 19, 1968: Bomb placed in Shell Petroleum Company building in
England

July 19, 1968: Bomb placed in Japanese travel agency in the United
States

July 26, 1968: Bomb placed in Mexican Tourism Office in the United
States

July 31, 1968: Bomb placed in British Consulate in United States

August 3, 1968: Bomb placed in British bank in the United States

August 5, 1968: Bomb placed in offices of the Communist Party in
the United States

August 7, 1968: Bomb placed aboard the Bahamas ship Caribbean
Venture in the United States

August 9, 1968: Mexican representatives in the United States
bombed

August 9, 1968: Bomb placed in Mexican consul?s home in Miami

September 11, 1968: Bomb placed aboard British ship in Mexico

September 16, 1968: Bomb explodes aboard the Spanish ship
Satrustegui in Puerto Rico

September 16, 1968: Bazooka attack on Polish ship in Miami

September 17, 1968: Bomb placed aboard Mexican airplane in
United States

September 19, 1968: Bomb placed in home of Mexican consul to the
United States

October 18, 1968: Bomb placed in Canadian travel agency

October 20, 1968: Gas bomb placed in a theater where a Cuban
actress was performing

October 24, 1968: Attempts to assassinate Cuban ambassador to
the UN

July 26, 1969: Bomb placed in Mexican Tourism Office in the United
States

August 6, 1969: Bomb placed in British-owned Shell Oil offices in the
United States

August 6, 1969: Bomb placed in Air France offices in the United
States

In 1972, Bosch traveled to Chile with his friend Guillermo Novo
Sampol and puts himself at the disposal of General Augusto
Pinochet?s fascist junta. He subsequently participated in a series of
attacks on prominent Chileans in exile.

In 1974, Bosch created the terrorist organization called Cuban
Action, with the support of the Chilean junta and Nicaraguan dictator
Anastasio Somoza?s secret police.

January 21, 1974: Bomb placed in Cuban diplomatic office in Canada

January 21, 1974: Bomb placed in Cuban diplomatic office in
Argentina

January 21, 1974: Bomb placed in Cuban diplomatic office in Peru

January 21, 1974: Bomb placed in Cuban embassy in Mexico

February 13, 1974: Bomb placed in Cuban embassy in Madrid

April 4, 1974: Prensa Latina representatives bombed in Mexico

October 1, 1974: Bomb placed in Panamanian embassy in Caracas

October 30, 1974: Bomb placed in Venezuelan-Cuban Friendship
Institute in Venezuela

November 11, 1974: Bomb placed in hotel where Cuban officials
were staying in the United States

March 19, 1974: Assassination of General Carlos Prats, former
officer of the Chilean Armed Forces, and his wife, in Argentina

May 10, 1975: Attempt in Rome to kill Bernardo Leighton, vice
president of the Chilean Democratic Party in exile, and his wife

July 1975: Shots fired on the resident of a Cuban official in the United
States

August 3, 1975: Assassination attempt on Cuban Ambassador Emilio
Aragonés, in Argentina

November 17, 1975: Bomb placed in Venezuelan tourism company,
in Venezuela

November 30, 1975: Bomb placed in USSR commercial office in
Mexico

March 1976: Bosch is arrested by Costa Rican police for suspicion of
trying to assassinate exiled Chilean leader Andrés Pascal Allende

September 21, 1976: Assassination of Orlando Letelier, former
Chilean ambassador to the United States, and his secretary Ronnie
Moffitt

In 1976, Bosch founded the Command of United Revolutionary
Organizations (CORU), most of whose members had worked for the
CIA. He ordered another series of attacks.

June 6, 1976: Bomb placed in Cuban diplomatic mission at the UN

July 1, 1976: Bomb placed in Cuban-Costa Rican cultural center in
Costa Rica

July 8, 1976: Bomb placed in Cuban mission in Spain

September 7, 1976: Bomb placed in Cubana de Aviación warehouse
in Kingston, Jamaica

July 10, 1976: Bomb placed in Cubana de Aviación office in Barbados

July 11, 1976: Bomb placed in Air Panama offices in Colombia

July 23, 1976: Attempt to kidnap Cuban consul in Mérida, Mexico,
resulting in the death of Cuban fishing technician D?Artagnan Díaz Díaz

September 8, 1976: Kidnapping of two Cuban diplomats in Argentina

September 9, 1976: Bomb placed in Guyanese embassy in Trinidad
and Tobago

September 18, 1976: Bomb placed in Cubana de Aviación office in
Panama

October 6, 1976: Mid-flight explosion of a Cubana de Aviación
passenger plane, causing the deaths of all 73 persons on board

As a result of the plane bombing, Bosch was arrested in Venezuela
and accused of masterminding the horrible crime. Nevertheless, from
his cell he continued to dream up and order other attacks, against
Venezuelan targets, in order to pressure the Venezuelan justice
system to let him go.

March 30, 1977: Bomb placed in Venezuelan Consulate in Puerto
Rico

August 30, 1977: Bomb placed aboard a Venezuelan airplane in
Miami

December 23, 1977: Bomb placed in Viasa airline office, United
States

December 30, 1977: Bomb placed in Venezuelan Consulate in Puerto
Rico

In 1978, also from his cell, he ordered attacks on Mexican interests,
in response to the measures taken by that government following the
death of Cuban fishing technician D?Artagnan Díaz Díaz.

February 7, 1978: Bomb placed in Mexican Consulate in the United
States

February 7, 1978: Bomb placed aboard the Mexican ship Azteca,
resulting in two deaths and seven injuries

Later, still from his cell, he directed and maintained the actions of
Omega-7, consisting of a long chain of terrorist attacks.

September 9, 1978: Bomb placed in Cuban mission at the UN

October 5, 1978: Bomb placed across from Madison Square Garden,
where Cuban boxers were supposed to fight

October 6, 1978: Bomb placed in offices of Girasol tourism
company, belonging to the Socialist Party of Puerto Rico

October 6, 1978: Bomb placed in offices of Antillana tourism
company of Puerto Rico

October 6, 1978: Bomb placed in offices of the Record Public Service
company, owned by a Cuban immigrant in Puerto Rico

October 23, 1978: Bomb placed in La Prensa newspaper in the
United States

November 18, 1978: Bomb threats made against TWA, due to its
flights to Cuba

December 28, 1978: Bomb placed in office of Varadero Travel in
Puerto Rico

December 29, 1978: Bomb placed in Cuban mission at the UN

December 29, 1978: Bomb placed in Lincoln Center, New York

March 26, 1979: Bomb placed in TWA offices at New York?s JFK
Airport

March 26, 1979: Bomb placed in office of Weehawken company of
New Jersey, headed by Cuban Eulalio J. Negrín, a member of the
Committee of 75, which was negotiating with Cuba

April 4, 1979: Murder of Carlos Muñoz Varela, member of the
Antonio Maceo Brigade and director of Varadero Travel in Puerto Rico

November 25, 1979: Eulalio J. Negrín murdered

September 11, 1980: Murder of Félix García Rodríguez, Cuban
diplomat to the United Nations

In 1987, thanks to Otto Reich, Bosch was freed and entered the
United States, where he was granted asylum and even a presidential
pardon.
 

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
With the attacks continue in Iraq and the attacks of people in Istanbul I seriously think they are winning and they seem to be chipping away at America's willpower which is not good.
how is what's going on in Iraq terrorism? If the US initiated war, they damn well better expect some sort of justified retaliation. Or do you honestly believe the iraqis were dumb enough to buy into the whole liberation crap?
 

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

man let it go...the guy is fighting agianst Fidel Castro....
Following that logic people should excuse Bin Laden since he is against bush... I don't think so.

Orlando Bosch?s terrorist curriculum vitae

Bush is the President of the United States and bin laden is terrorist. Also it was Bush Sr that gave him the pardon not dubya.
um? Castro is leader of Cuba and BOsch is terrorist too. ha ha.

wtf was your point? terrorism kills innocent people - so it doesn't matter what the fvckin agenda of the terrorist is. AND YOU CALL LIBERALS TERRORIST APOLOGISTS! HAH.
 

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Originally posted by: Pers
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

man let it go...the guy is fighting agianst Fidel Castro....
Following that logic people should excuse Bin Laden since he is against bush... I don't think so.

Orlando Bosch?s terrorist curriculum vitae

Bush is the President of the United States and bin laden is terrorist. Also it was Bush Sr that gave him the pardon not dubya.
um? Castro is leader of Cuba and BOsch is terrorist too. ha ha.

wtf was your point? terrorism kills innocent people - so it doesn't matter what the fvckin agenda of the terrorist is. AND YOU CALL LIBERALS TERRORIST APOLOGISTS! HAH.
I have never heard of this Bosch guy before and don't why Bush Sr gave him a Pardon. I'm certainly NOT going to take everything a left wing website says about him, they have a agenda and I'm sure there is more to the story then they are saying.

Castro isn't the leader of Cuba he is the Dicatator of Cuba, nobody elected him he simply seized power.

 

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Originally posted by: Pers
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

man let it go...the guy is fighting agianst Fidel Castro....
Following that logic people should excuse Bin Laden since he is against bush... I don't think so.

Orlando Bosch?s terrorist curriculum vitae

Bush is the President of the United States and bin laden is terrorist. Also it was Bush Sr that gave him the pardon not dubya.
um? Castro is leader of Cuba and BOsch is terrorist too. ha ha.

wtf was your point? terrorism kills innocent people - so it doesn't matter what the fvckin agenda of the terrorist is. AND YOU CALL LIBERALS TERRORIST APOLOGISTS! HAH.
I have never heard of this Bosch guy before and don't why Bush Sr gave him a Pardon. I'm certainly NOT going to take everything a left wing website says about him, they have a agenda and I'm sure there is more to the story then they are saying.

Castro isn't the leader of Cuba he is the Dicatator of Cuba, nobody elected him he simply seized power.


Bush isn't the leader of America, about 30 advisers who have brains are. Nobody elected him, he simply got selected by his daddy's cronies - the Supreme Court.
 

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The terrorists started winning the moment Bush decided to go to war in Iraq. Instead of discouraging attacks, they have grown, and I fear they will expand. Of course the Bush supporters will respond by declaring we weren't aggressive enough, which is like saying that driving a nail with a five pound sledge doesnt work because you need a ten pounder. Hopefully, I am wrong, but things are going pretty much as I expected.
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
The terrorists started winning the moment Bush decided to go to war in Iraq. Instead of discouraging attacks, they have grown, and I fear they will expand. Of course the Bush supporters will respond by declaring we weren't aggressive enough, which is like saying that driving a nail with a five pound sledge doesnt work because you need a ten pounder. Hopefully, I am wrong, but things are going pretty much as I expected.
You know, Winston, there may be some reality to the notion that folks that are citizens of a nation ought to be able to live and be as they please within those borders. I'm all for leaving Afghanistan and the other Arab and Persian states be as they wish. So long as we can get the oil and don't ya think they want us to? Us westerners do our thing and they do theirs. If their religion holds the elimination of human rights well... so be it. I don't see how we can hope to overcome centuries of culture with our $ and or might. Sooner or later the US will run out of bribes and the will to fight and then what. I think it possible to sway some folks by inducing them to capitalism but, that is almost againt their belief system in the Middle East.
I don't see the light at the end of the tunnel in this... just some fire flies flitting about.

edit to add 'be'
 

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Originally posted by: Pers
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Originally posted by: Pers
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007

man let it go...the guy is fighting agianst Fidel Castro....
Following that logic people should excuse Bin Laden since he is against bush... I don't think so.

Orlando Bosch?s terrorist curriculum vitae

Bush is the President of the United States and bin laden is terrorist. Also it was Bush Sr that gave him the pardon not dubya.
um? Castro is leader of Cuba and BOsch is terrorist too. ha ha.

wtf was your point? terrorism kills innocent people - so it doesn't matter what the fvckin agenda of the terrorist is. AND YOU CALL LIBERALS TERRORIST APOLOGISTS! HAH.
I have never heard of this Bosch guy before and don't why Bush Sr gave him a Pardon. I'm certainly NOT going to take everything a left wing website says about him, they have a agenda and I'm sure there is more to the story then they are saying.

Castro isn't the leader of Cuba he is the Dicatator of Cuba, nobody elected him he simply seized power.


Bush isn't the leader of America, about 30 advisers who have brains are. Nobody elected him, he simply got selected by his daddy's cronies - the Supreme Court.

Either way he is President of United States !
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
The terrorists started winning the moment Bush decided to go to war in Iraq. Instead of discouraging attacks, they have grown, and I fear they will expand. Of course the Bush supporters will respond by declaring we weren't aggressive enough, which is like saying that driving a nail with a five pound sledge doesnt work because you need a ten pounder. Hopefully, I am wrong, but things are going pretty much as I expected.

The failure to capture or kill Saddam hasn't helped much.
 

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Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
The terrorists started winning the moment Bush decided to go to war in Iraq. Instead of discouraging attacks, they have grown, and I fear they will expand. Of course the Bush supporters will respond by declaring we weren't aggressive enough, which is like saying that driving a nail with a five pound sledge doesnt work because you need a ten pounder. Hopefully, I am wrong, but things are going pretty much as I expected.

The failure to capture or kill Saddam hasn't helped much.
I think the failure to capture or kill Osama is worse. Considering that international terrorism was not a real problem with Saddam, but is with Al Queda. I suggest that Bin Laden welcomes the new playing field and the distraction Iraq provided as well as great press to those of sympathetic mind. When they get Saddam, and things still are a problem, then who do you go after?

LR, I think that "Democracy" can be many things, and I don't believe in ramming my version down the throats of those of different cultural perspectives. I will go further, and suggest that there is not much difference between those who insist on American style democracy, which is really developed over time within the context of American culture, and those who wanted to "liberate" the Middle East by forcing Christianity on them during the Crusades.

Should the have the OPPORTUNITY to develop THEIR OWN style? Yes. Forcing them to adopt ours is in my opinion wrong. The worst of the Middle East governments is gone. Now lets not repeat this exercise.
 

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i really think you guys need to find a new source besides the news or websites and....for the love of god people use commonsense please
 

Mrburns2007

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Originally posted by: t3h1337guy
i really think you guys need to find a new source besides the news or websites and....for the love of god people use commonsense please

Thanks for enlightening us but political opinions have little to do with common sense
 

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Originally posted by: t3h1337guy
i really think you guys need to find a new source besides the news or websites and....for the love of god people use commonsense please

Well, there is a commonality of sense on one side of the issue and a commonality of sense on the other. The merger of these two commonalities into yet another commonality of sense is wrought with the friction of ideology.
To argue the point does not depend on the accuracy of the information since the best we can get is bits and pieces of truth coupled with opinion to paint a seemingly reasonable picture for our consumption. This is true if we stood there ourselves because we'd not see more than we see. Hard to see motive or understand cultural perspective when our eyes are focused to view with our own bias.
 

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Originally posted by: VioletAura
Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
With the attacks continue in Iraq and the attacks of people in Istanbul I seriously think they are winning and they seem to be chipping away at America's willpower which is not good.
Winning what? To what end? America's desire to exterminate terrorism is overly idealistic and impossible.
And hypocritical, since the US harbors international terrorist.

and domestic terrorists as well. if the US is going to declare war on terrorism, we should also try to take care of the domestic terrorists [gangs] as well.
 

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