Terror plot busted

[blahblah99]

For some reason, this whole terror plot on Fort Dix doesn't seem legit to me. 6 arrested, no photos available, and an attack on a military base? How many shots are they going to fire before they're beat down, if they make it past the armed check point at the entrance.

To me, it just seems like an excuse for more "homeland security".

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: GrGr
Out of curiosity - what is the current terror alert level? Red, Green, Yellow, Pink, Rosy? Anyone know?

On topic. These knuckleheads seem to be on the same level as the Fearsome Florida Al Qaida Dope Gang.

It will rise each month until absolute panic and pandomonium before the Nov 2008 Elections.

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

How did we "save their people" precisely?

When America deployed to Kosovo, we essentially saved the ethnic Albanian Muslims there from eradication at the hands of the Serbs, who are Christian BTW.

And let me tell you, the Kosovo Liberation Army, who were fighting the Serbs and who we protected, were no better than the insurgency knuckleheads in Iraq...we even encountered elements of foreign fighters who entered the Balkans from places like Iran, Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia in the name of jihad.

Convenient that the Muslim world tends to forget that America has acted to protect Muslims from aggression across the Balkans.

Generalize much?

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

I refuse to live my life pretending that the boogieman does not exist. But hey, if that helps you sleep at night, then I wont shatter your illusions of eden...

You truly have no idea what the entire world is facing in this global war.. none.

BOO!

 

[Narmer]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
At least they didn't want to go around blowing up buildings with civilians in them. Props to them for that.

Hurray!!!

Let's give them a heroes' parade in Manhattan -- have it go through the WTC site -- just because they were humane enough to want to murder only soldiers for no good reason.

(Aimster-logic at its finest)

He's right. If terrorists are going to attack anybody, let them attack soldiers. That way, people can stop throwing the "they're cowards" phrase around.

I think everybody would agree that terrorists, if we had a say in their victims, should go after soldiers or politicians, with the latter being the top choice, since both group are civil servants and claim to protect the civilians from terrorist attacks.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: Aimster
& we went to war with Iraq because.....?

Give me one good reason.

It seems the people who support such an action are the same people who create threads "Islam is violent omg we must do something now.. Im scurredd"

hyperbole or strawman ftw

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: blahblah99
For some reason, this whole terror plot on Fort Dix doesn't seem legit to me. 6 arrested, no photos available, and an attack on a military base? How many shots are they going to fire before they're beat down, if they make it past the armed check point at the entrance.

To me, it just seems like an excuse for more "homeland security".

Can we quit the ridiculous conspiracy theories...if you're going to post something like that at least read the thread and/or aritcles about the issue first.

- the pics are in the paper today, along with a lot more details.

- someone who had once been stationed at Dix posted earlier in the thread about how people don't walk around the grounds armed, it is a mainly a reservist training facility after all. He said the guns are kept locked up.

- the entrance is guarded, but apparently a road somehow runs through the base according to the articles

- the 'alleged' attackers regularly delivered pizza to the base so getting inside probably wasn't going to be a problem, and killing the two guards up front probably wouldn't have been too hard either, if there were 6 attackers with machine guns and the guards probably not expecting an attack at a US base in America (though they should be)

- To answer your last question, the bad guys, like suicide bombers, were willing to die in the attempt, so if they had aquired the weapons they were trying to when they were arrested, I think they would have gotten off a shitload of shots before they were taken down.

A healthy dose of skepticism is warranted by this administration's past (and current) actions, but reacting like you did and claiming the whole thing is a setup to scare us into allocating more for Homeland Security...seriously? Also previously stated, if they had somehow managed to pull it off I don't think you'd be arguing for less security.

 

[Zedtom]

^Thank you sirjonk for summarizing the situation.

I must admit that I am guilty of assuming that the government stages these things for political gain.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

If I told you god wants me to kill you and I started massing weapons/plans, you'd be "tolerant" of my "culture"? Get a grip, you'd go ape s*** if a radical (Christian) American was planning an attack. Make it a Muslim and we've gotta turn the other cheek and let them do whatever they like.

Acting like America is the evil bothering the world really rubs me wrong. Our enemies hold that same ideology.

In your scenario, how much of your "culture" should we be intolerant of? You're a pain-in-the-ass conservative, does that mean we should advocate banning pain-in-the-ass conservatives from the United States? If it was a Christian planning the attack, should we talk about how the best approach would be to wipe out Christianity? Call me crazy, but I think that would be stupid...when someone is planning on blowing up or shooting or flying planes into other people, I think the thing *I'm* most concerned about is their planned acts of violence, not what their religion or American Idol preferences are.

If Christianity was used to wage war against us by millions around the globe and here in our country then the ideology should be banished as well. Yet, I would hope many of us understand the war waged against us is limited to a single religion and ideology, which is Islam. Your context is in, what, killing or deporting everyone? Yeah, clearly it couldn't be that the violent teachings should be banished. You appear to have serious problems with supporting violent religious teachings at war against us when you oppose stopping them or making it illegal for them to recruit.

First of all, WE ARE NOT A MUSLIM NATION, these are foreign ideologies, foreign fighters, coming here and living off of us while they intend to kill us. They're also recruiting our citizens to join them in this war and its working. Slowly but surely more people convert, especially those seeking vengeance against us in our jails.

Islamic supremacists have declared war, through their acts of war the world over, and yet you completely hem and haw over wanting to do anything but treat it like a police matter. If that is the extent of your response to their war, then many MANY of our people shall die by their hands.

I think the thing *I'm* most concerned about is their planned acts of violence, not what their religion

You may as well fight and put out fires without stopping the arsonist. You have to stop their reasoning, their motivation, their recruitment which all comes down to their religion or you will never stop them all or fight this war properly.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Narmer

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

I refuse to live my life pretending that the boogieman does not exist. But hey, if that helps you sleep at night, then I wont shatter your illusions of eden...

You truly have no idea what the entire world is facing in this global war.. none.

BOO!

BANG! BANG!....BANG!

See how that works?

Disclaimer: that was NOT meant as a threat against anyone. I was merely showing Narmer there the best way to handle a boogieman.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: blahblah99
For some reason, this whole terror plot on Fort Dix doesn't seem legit to me. 6 arrested, no photos available, and an attack on a military base? How many shots are they going to fire before they're beat down, if they make it past the armed check point at the entrance.

To me, it just seems like an excuse for more "homeland security".

Because this is turning out just like the joke of a bust of the Miami 7.

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.d...e?AID=/20070511/NEWS/705110393/-1/News

He railed against the United States, helped scout out military installations for attack, offered to introduce his comrades to an arms dealer, and gave them a list of weapons he could procure, including machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.

These were not the actions of a terrorist, but of a paid FBI informant who helped bring down an alleged plot by six Muslim men to massacre U.S. soldiers at New Jersey's Fort Dix.

And those actions have raised questions of whether the government crossed the line and pushed the six men down a path they would not have otherwise followed.

:roll:

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: blahblah99
For some reason, this whole terror plot on Fort Dix doesn't seem legit to me. 6 arrested, no photos available, and an attack on a military base? How many shots are they going to fire before they're beat down, if they make it past the armed check point at the entrance.

To me, it just seems like an excuse for more "homeland security".

Because this is turning out just like the joke of a bust of the Miami 7.

http://www.poconorecord.com/apps/pbcs.d...e?AID=/20070511/NEWS/705110393/-1/News

He railed against the United States, helped scout out military installations for attack, offered to introduce his comrades to an arms dealer, and gave them a list of weapons he could procure, including machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades.

These were not the actions of a terrorist, but of a paid FBI informant who helped bring down an alleged plot by six Muslim men to massacre U.S. soldiers at New Jersey's Fort Dix.

And those actions have raised questions of whether the government crossed the line and pushed the six men down a path they would not have otherwise followed.

:roll:

Sorry but entrapment does not work here.

In order for it to be entrapment the informant must have sparked the idea (i.e. "Hey, I got an idea! Let's attack Ft. Dix and prove they are not untouchable.") he did not, he offered to procure weapons after the fact.