Terror plot busted

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: sirjonk
THE PRESIDENT: We are fighting these terrorists with our military in Afghanistan and Iraq and beyond so we do not have to face them in the streets of our own cities. (Applause.)

I said a verbatim quote. Looks like you're injecting a bit of paraphrasing.

No one (including GWB) has ever said that fighting them in the desert would PREVENT absolutely any of these terrorists from coming over here. The implication has been that it is BETTER to fight them there than over here, and I agree with that.

Perhaps it's a matter of opinion since we're talking implications from the statement. You think he meant it's better to fight them there than here, but what I see him saying is "if we don't fight them there, we WILL be fighting them here." And I disagree with that implication. While I don't agree with the implication you draw, I do agree with the conclusion obviously. Given the choice of fighting here or there, well, there would be better. But it's a false choice. Launching and maintaining the war there only incites more violence against us there AND here.

 

[GrGr]

Out of curiosity - what is the current terror alert level? Red, Green, Yellow, Pink, Rosy? Anyone know?

On topic. These knuckleheads seem to be on the same level as the Fearsome Florida Al Qaida Dope Gang.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

I refuse to live my life pretending that the boogieman does not exist. But hey, if that helps you sleep at night, then I wont shatter your illusions of eden...

You truly have no idea what the entire world is facing in this global war.. none.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

I refuse to live my life pretending that the boogieman does not exist. But hey, if that helps you sleep at night, then I wont shatter your illusions of eden...

You truly have no idea what the entire world is facing in this global war.. none.

Looks like you'd love to always live in fear.... Good luck with that.....

 

[GrGr]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

I refuse to live my life pretending that the boogieman does not exist. But hey, if that helps you sleep at night, then I wont shatter your illusions of eden...

You truly have no idea what the entire world is facing in this global war.. none.

Looks like you'd love to always live in fear.... Good luck with that.....

Aye Palehorse. I think you will get to fight your bogeymen to your hearts content. You will never run out of them.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: sirjonk
Perhaps it's a matter of opinion since we're talking implications from the statement. You think he meant it's better to fight them there than here, but what I see him saying is "if we don't fight them there, we WILL be fighting them here." And I disagree with that implication. While I don't agree with the implication you draw, I do agree with the conclusion obviously. Given the choice of fighting here or there, well, there would be better. But it's a false choice. Launching and maintaining the war there only incites more violence against us there AND here.

Fair enough. I'll respect your opinion though I disagree vehemently. I think there is no doubt that fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan has incited additional violence BUT I believe it is the lesser of two evils vis-a-vi fighting them in our streets. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: steppinthrax
The sad thing about all this is that bush is going to stand up and say if it wern't for him these terrorist would of striked LOL.

Well if they did strike everyone here would be blaming him, so whats the difference?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

If I told you god wants me to kill you and I started massing weapons/plans, you'd be "tolerant" of my "culture"? Get a grip, you'd go ape s*** if a radical (Christian) American was planning an attack. Make it a Muslim and we've gotta turn the other cheek and let them do whatever they like.

Acting like America is the evil bothering the world really rubs me wrong. Our enemies hold that same ideology.

 

[Socio]

Listening to this story on Fox News I do not understand why so many media outlets are calling this a ?homegrown terror cell? when three of them are legal immigrants and the other three are illegal immigrants thus there is nothing homegrown about it.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Acting like America is the evil bothering the world really rubs me wrong. Our enemies hold that same ideology.

:thumbsup:

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

If I told you god wants me to kill you and I started massing weapons/plans, you'd be "tolerant" of my "culture"? Get a grip, you'd go ape s*** if a radical (Christian) American was planning an attack. Make it a Muslim and we've gotta turn the other cheek and let them do whatever they like.

Acting like America is the evil bothering the world really rubs me wrong. Our enemies hold that same ideology.

In your scenario, how much of your "culture" should we be intolerant of? You're a pain-in-the-ass conservative, does that mean we should advocate banning pain-in-the-ass conservatives from the United States? If it was a Christian planning the attack, should we talk about how the best approach would be to wipe out Christianity? Call me crazy, but I think that would be stupid...when someone is planning on blowing up or shooting or flying planes into other people, I think the thing *I'm* most concerned about is their planned acts of violence, not what their religion or American Idol preferences are.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Socio
Listening to this story on Fox News I do not understand why so many media outlets are calling this a ?homegrown terror cell? when three of them are legal immigrants and the other three are illegal immigrants thus there is nothing homegrown about it.

Are legal immigrants no longer Americans? I must have missed the memo. The point is that it's not random guys from Iraq taking a trip over here to blow something up, it's people who actually live here and are planning attacks.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
At least they didn't want to go around blowing up buildings with civilians in them. Props to them for that.

Hurray!!!

Let's give them a heroes' parade in Manhattan -- have it go through the WTC site -- just because they were humane enough to want to murder only soldiers for no good reason.

(Aimster-logic at its finest)

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: Socio
Listening to this story on Fox News I do not understand why so many media outlets are calling this a ?homegrown terror cell? when three of them are legal immigrants and the other three are illegal immigrants thus there is nothing homegrown about it.

Makes you wonder if these particular Yugo Illegals want citizenship while they are at it.

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
At least they didn't want to go around blowing up buildings with civilians in them. Props to them for that.

Hurray!!!

Let's give them a heroes' parade in Manhattan -- have it go through the WTC site -- just because they were humane enough to want to murder only soldiers for no good reason.

(Aimster-logic at its finest)

One of our sarcasm meters needs checking

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
One of our sarcasm meters needs checking

I gather you don't know Aimster.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio
Listening to this story on Fox News I do not understand why so many media outlets are calling this a ?homegrown terror cell? when three of them are legal immigrants and the other three are illegal immigrants thus there is nothing homegrown about it.

Are legal immigrants no longer Americans? I must have missed the memo. The point is that it's not random guys from Iraq taking a trip over here to blow something up, it's people who actually live here and are planning attacks.

No, legal immigrants in the US are not Americans they are immigrants that are here legally.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Acting like America is the evil bothering the world really rubs me wrong. Our enemies hold that same ideology.

/agree

 

[RESmonkey]

Is that true? They tried to make a video to DVD at a store?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio
Listening to this story on Fox News I do not understand why so many media outlets are calling this a ?homegrown terror cell? when three of them are legal immigrants and the other three are illegal immigrants thus there is nothing homegrown about it.

Are legal immigrants no longer Americans? I must have missed the memo. The point is that it's not random guys from Iraq taking a trip over here to blow something up, it's people who actually live here and are planning attacks.

No, legal immigrants in the US are not Americans they are immigrants that are here legally.

You're an American Indian, I assume...

We were all immigrants at one point, when did we cross that line into being "real" Americans?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
At least they didn't want to go around blowing up buildings with civilians in them. Props to them for that.

Hurray!!!

Let's give them a heroes' parade in Manhattan -- have it go through the WTC site -- just because they were humane enough to want to murder only soldiers for no good reason.

(Aimster-logic at its finest)

You lack common sense.
or maybe my signature makes you hurt.

my entire post was obviously a joke post

 

[Aimster]

& we went to war with Iraq because.....?

Give me one good reason.

It seems the people who support such an action are the same people who create threads "Islam is violent omg we must do something now.. Im scurredd"

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Socio
Listening to this story on Fox News I do not understand why so many media outlets are calling this a ?homegrown terror cell? when three of them are legal immigrants and the other three are illegal immigrants thus there is nothing homegrown about it.

Are legal immigrants no longer Americans? I must have missed the memo. The point is that it's not random guys from Iraq taking a trip over here to blow something up, it's people who actually live here and are planning attacks.

No, legal immigrants in the US are not Americans they are immigrants that are here legally.

Once someone gets their citizenship, they're an American no matter where they were born.

 

[noto12ious]

The suspects' images and words were captured on more than 50 audio and video recordings. Their comings and goings were recorded by law enforcement agents who monitored the alleged plot for 16 months, hoping more terror ties would become apparent.

Sounds a lot like the Able Danger program... we had pinpointed Atta and his cronies... but a military general ordered the military to stand down and let the 9/11 terrorists carry on with their business.

 

[EXman]

Originally posted by: bctbct

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Aimster
Bush said attacking them in Iraq would prevent them from coming here to America
oops.
This makes Bush wrong for the ... 1,000,000,021th time?

You have no idea how often intel gained from detainees abroad has helped stop/prevent attacks on US soil - including intel gained from foreign fighters caught in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We need to continue fighting this war globally... just not with conventional troops.

Or we could mind our own business, quit fabricating evidence and lying to the world, and live tolerant of other cultures. :disgust:

What lie was that? 16 other countries intel was telling us they had them? And they would tolerate us if we left them alone? Double niaeve.

Read Pabs post again

One day people of all political persuasions and ethnicities here will realize that these terrorists want all of us dead. Black, White, Yellow, Republican, Democrat, Green Party, they could care less.

That is their business. That's what they do when they get up in the morning. They terrorize or think of how to terrorize in the future. They are not gonna quit. They lose their power. They would never let that happen. They would creat a rift, package it and sell their anti-U.S. crap to their Holy warriors and get on with their day.
It seems as if