Terror plot busted

[imported_Shivetya]

Six men from New Jersey have been arrested in an alleged terror plot against soldiers at Fort Dix, according investigators.

Six ethnic Albanians have been arrested in a plot to storm the U.S. Army's Fort Dix installation in Burlington County and attack soldiers.


It isn't far from us, and yes they are muslims. (at least that is the claim).

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Six men from New Jersey have been arrested in an alleged terror plot against soldiers at Fort Dix, according investigators.

Six ethnic Albanians have been arrested in a plot to storm the U.S. Army's Fort Dix installation in Burlington County and attack soldiers.


It isn't far from us.

The real WoT is here at home. One day both Republicans and Democrats might realize that, hopefully before too many people die. Though I?m not holding my breath, foreign excursions are much easier to sell than banishing the ideology that has declared war.

 

[StormRider]

If the Muslim part is true, the sad/frustrating part is we helped saved their people and then they turn around and try to kill us.

 

[Pens1566]

Well, they've "followed us home". Does this mean we can leave Iraq?

 

[PottedMeat]

What a bunch of retards - as terrorists why would they target people who could definitely fight back - why not civilians?

Plus they tried to convert a training video to DVD at a store - they diddnt think anyone was gonna tell the FBI?

I wonder what percentage of illegal arms sellers are government agents - maybe 50% or more hehe?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
Well, they've "followed us home". Does this mean we can leave Iraq?

This may be the fabricated out for the Bush Administration.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: StormRider
If the Muslim part is true, the sad/frustrating part is we helped saved their people and then they turn around and try to kill us.

From their point of view we've killed thousands of their brethren in Afghanistan and Iraq. Just ask P&N, you?ll find the general reasoning expressed here faulting us, and it?s the same reasoning they would apply.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
What a bunch of retards - as terrorists why would they target people who could definitely fight back - why not civilians?

[NOTE: I"M NOT DEFENDING THESE PEOPLE, OK?]

"As terrorists..." Well, that's the issue isn't it? They were planning a strike on soldiers, so how is that a "terrorist act" and not an "act of war?" Because they aren't following a government's orders? If that's the standard, then our 'enemy combatant' standard is going to swallow the entire law of war, since we don't seem to be fighting governments anymore.

This isn't just semantics. Let's say they didn't target soldiers, but a shopping mall of civilians. Now, that's more of an example of what we would consider a 'terrorist act', but what if 5 psychotic secular students decided to shoot civilians in a mall...still terrorists? Same facts but the 5 students are Muslims...terrorists? Now it's about motive and not the act. Remember, 'enemy combatants' have no rights under this administration so what we call the perpetrators is not irrelevant. Let's see how this plays out.


(Ed - point taken Halik!

 

[steppinthrax]

The sad thing about all this is that bush is going to stand up and say if it wern't for him these terrorist would of striked LOL.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: StormRider
If the Muslim part is true, the sad/frustrating part is we helped saved their people and then they turn around and try to kill us.

How did we "save their people" precisely?

 

[halik]

Aiiieeeeee white muslim terrists! Now we're all gonna get collectively FVCKED by TSA

For the record, walking into a military base with the plan to shoot people is a Bad Idea (tm)

 

[theeedude]

Those Ethnic Albanians whose independence from Serbia we fought for. Soon Kosovo will be a terrorist training camp like Afghanistan, if it isn't already.

 

[Starbuck1975]

How did we "save their people" precisely?

When America deployed to Kosovo, we essentially saved the ethnic Albanian Muslims there from eradication at the hands of the Serbs, who are Christian BTW.

And let me tell you, the Kosovo Liberation Army, who were fighting the Serbs and who we protected, were no better than the insurgency knuckleheads in Iraq...we even encountered elements of foreign fighters who entered the Balkans from places like Iran, Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia in the name of jihad.

Convenient that the Muslim world tends to forget that America has acted to protect Muslims from aggression across the Balkans.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

How did we "save their people" precisely?

When America deployed to Kosovo, we essentially saved the ethnic Albanian Muslims there from eradication at the hands of the Serbs, who are Christian BTW.

And let me tell you, the Kosovo Liberation Army, who were fighting the Serbs and who we protected, were no better than the insurgency knuckleheads in Iraq...we even encountered elements of foreign fighters who entered the Balkans from places like Iran, Syria, Jordan and Saudi Arabia in the name of jihad.

Convenient that the Muslim world tends to forget that America has acted to protect Muslims from aggression across the Balkans.

Gotcha. For some reason I thought he was referring to Muslims, not ethnic Albanians.

 

[dmcowen674]

Electronic eavesdropping and a confidential informant determined that the men were serious in their intent. Though the plot did not reach an operational phase, the alleged cell members completed their surveillance and selected Fort Dix as their target.

It was chosen because one cell member's family owned a pizza parlor near the base and that member was able to enter the base to deliver pizza.

The group believed this access would enable its attack to succeed.

Early today about six members of the group were arrested after what appeared to be a sting operation in which an informant was willing to procure Russian-style assault rifles described by authorities as AK-47s and U.S. M-16 automatic rifles for the men.

Jihadist propaganda material, including "generalized messages" from Osama bin Laden and other leaders, was seized, authorities said. It had been downloaded from the Internet.

==============================================

What exactly would be "success"?

Until proven otherwise I believe this to be complete fabrication on the GOP's part.

Look for more of this Terrer Terrer Terrer to escalate as next November approaches.

Selling the sheeple up the river on Terrer Terrer Terrer worked for them for Iraq and they believe it will work for them again.

 

[EagleKeeper]

In other words, you feel that a negative must be proven.

Yet, had it happened, you would have also blamed the adminstration for letting it happen, lax security, more concerned about overseas than at home, etc.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Gotcha. For some reason I thought he was referring to Muslims, not ethnic Albanians

Believe me, the Balkans "melting pot" is an entangled ethnic and religious mess.

The ethnic Albanians in Kosovo were also predominantly Muslim...most Christian ethnic Albanians have long fled the region, as they have in other places like Lebanon.

So in essence, his statement was correct...we did protect Muslims in Kosovo, even if ethnically they were eastern European and not Arab...the same can be said for the peacekeeping missions in Indonesia.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Electronic eavesdropping and a confidential informant determined that the men were serious in their intent. Though the plot did not reach an operational phase, the alleged cell members completed their surveillance and selected Fort Dix as their target.

It was chosen because one cell member's family owned a pizza parlor near the base and that member was able to enter the base to deliver pizza.

The group believed this access would enable its attack to succeed.

Early today about six members of the group were arrested after what appeared to be a sting operation in which an informant was willing to procure Russian-style assault rifles described by authorities as AK-47s and U.S. M-16 automatic rifles for the men.

Jihadist propaganda material, including "generalized messages" from Osama bin Laden and other leaders, was seized, authorities said. It had been downloaded from the Internet.

==============================================

What exactly would be "success"?

Until proven otherwise I believe this to be complete fabrication on the GOP's part.

Look for more of this Terrer Terrer Terrer to escalate as next November approaches.

Selling the sheeple up the river on Terrer Terrer Terrer worked for them for Iraq and they believe it will work for them again.

Huh? Success would have been infiltrating the base and killing American soldiers...that seemed pretty clear. If anything, the Dems should own this issue since it's many of their position that investigation and police work is what's needed to combat domestic terror, and not military action against insurgents in the ME. Remember the Buffalo Six? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_Six Let's not get so jaded we forget that there are some people who actually do want to kill Americans over here.

 

[shira]

I have absolutely no details on this other than what is in the news accounts, but I find myself wondering to what extent this plot was facilitated by that "cooperating witness" that the news account tells us was "inserted" by authorities.

I mean, was the group actively attempting to purchase M16 and AK-47 rifles before that witness got involved? Or were they a collection of clueless retards that needed a little motivation from the witness to get them to purchase weapons?

At this point, I have SO little faith in this Administration and its methods that I don't take any news story at face value.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: halik
Aiiieeeeee white muslim terrists! Now we're all gonna get collectively FVCKED by TSA

For the record, walking into a military base with the plan to shoot people is a Bad Idea (tm)

90 year old white grannies were already given "the treatment", so I don't see why you allege that we had been doing profiling to begin with. At least when it comes to TSA.

 

[ProfJohn]

It is amazing how you guys with your irrational hatred of Bush can look at this and try to figure out a way to either blame Bush or just dismiss it outright.

Do you have any idea how foolish and stupid you look?

Perhaps if we look at thier e-mails we can find some from Karl Rove tell the terrorists what to do? :roll:

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
What a bunch of retards - as terrorists why would they target people who could definitely fight back - why not civilians?

Plus they tried to convert a training video to DVD at a store - they diddnt think anyone was gonna tell the FBI?

I wonder what percentage of illegal arms sellers are government agents - maybe 50% or more hehe?

because its a easy target. i was stationed at Dix for a few months and like all military bases in the states the only people who are armed are the MP's. all arms are locked in armorys and unless you have a key or C-4 you arent getting in. the dorms are just like college dorms and all one would have to do is go room to room and kill who ever is inside. 6 armed terrorist with rifles can kill a whole lot of people real quick. by the time its figured out what is going on, there would be a whole lot of dead soldiers.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
Six men from New Jersey have been arrested in an alleged terror plot against soldiers at Fort Dix, according investigators.

Six ethnic Albanians have been arrested in a plot to storm the U.S. Army's Fort Dix installation in Burlington County and attack soldiers.


It isn't far from us, and yes they are muslims. (at least that is the claim).

From what I have heard on the radio this morning, these guys would not have made it past the gates. But suffice to say, thank goodness for informants. They got stopped dead in their tracks.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: PottedMeat
What a bunch of retards - as terrorists why would they target people who could definitely fight back - why not civilians?

[NOTE: I"M NOT DEFENDING THESE PEOPLE, OK?]

"As terrorists..." Well, that's the issue isn't it? They were planning a strike on soldiers, so how is that a "terrorist act" and not an "act of war?" Because they aren't following a government's orders? If that's the standard, then our 'enemy combatant' standard is going to swallow the entire law of war, since we don't seem to be fighting governments anymore.

This isn't just semantics. Let's say they didn't target soldiers, but a shopping mall of civilians. Now, that's more of an example of what we would consider a 'terrorist act', but what if 5 psychotic secular students decided to shoot civilians in a mall...still terrorists? Same facts but the 5 students are Muslims...terrorists? Now it's about motive and not the act. Remember, 'enemy combatants' have no rights under this administration so what we call the perpetrators is not irrelevant. Let's see how this plays out.

I think that this is the most relevant post so far. The courts and the Bush administration in particular love to play the semantical game. If this were presented to the administration, they would have to clarify, once and for all, exactly what an enemy combatant truly is and then give them rights accordingly.

 

[tomywishbone]

Run for life!!