Terrible day here in Stillwater. 3 Dead - 25 Injured so far :(

[balloonshark]

If you look at some of her selfie pics she posted, she looks totally plastered in most of them. She may have been on some psyche medications plus drinking, too. So 1 or 2 beers to her, is like 5 or 6 beers to someone not taking an alphabet soup of psyche meds.

I was thinking the same thing. There is probably other meds or another condition involved. That or she was also distracted. Why else would she be doing 50mph downtown?

 

[madoka]

History has shown that we don't care about drunk driving deaths.

The guy who killed 27 people (mostly children) and injured 34 while driving with 0.24 only got 9 years in prison.

More recently, the affluenza kid killed four and injured two. He got probation at a $715 a day luxury rehab facility where we the taxpayers get to pay for his stay.

The facility offers a 90-day treatment program that includes horse riding, mixed martial arts, massage and cookery, a swimming pool, basketball and six acres of land.

 

[allisolm]

Now CNN says 4 dead - a 2-yr-old died at the hospital.

 

[Mai72]

If there is anything good that comes out of this, maybe we can look at our DUI laws. Something needs to change. But, what can the government do? Alcohol is common and encouraged.

More and more I think driverless cars are the answer.

 

[Engineer]

Now CNN says 4 dead - a 2-yr-old died at the hospital.

Damn....

 

[madoka]

If there is anything good that comes out of this, maybe we can look at our DUI laws. Something needs to change. But, what can the government do? Alcohol is common and encouraged.

310,000,000 guns in the U.S. with 1 in 3 owning guns. It's pretty commonplace too but politicians want to ban them.

Get the social justice warriors to call for a ban of alcohol.

10,076 deaths and 290,000 injured by drunk driving

Nearly 88,0009 people (approximately 62,000 men and 26,000 women) die from alcohol-related causes annually, making it the third leading preventable cause of death in the United States

In comparison, 445 deaths by rifle. Yet, Hildabeast says we need an assault weapons ban again when the last time she and Bill did it, it actually increased the deaths by rifle.

 

[Zorba]

What a terrible accident. Sorry to hear about that.

Based on the pics and description of events, it sounds like they were only using a parked police motorcycle to block the street off. That was a bad idea on someones part, they should have had a minimum of 2 cop cars with lights on at every blocked street to keep traffic out.

There were also road closed barricades. I didn't go this year, but in years past this intersection was the end of the parade route and the floats, etc turned left at this intersection. So the roads to the south and west were closed, but the north and east sides were not.

FYI: The speed limit on this road is 35.

In a bad humor note, I don't think nature likes when OSU is undefeated in Football. Considering the plane crash in 2011 right before the game at Iowa State when we were undefeated.

McLovin: Were you there?

 

[Jeff7]

If there is anything good that comes out of this, maybe we can look at our DUI laws. Something needs to change. But, what can the government do? Alcohol is common and encouraged.

More and more I think driverless cars are the answer.

Which is why I don't think it will change much. It's common among those who would make and enforce such laws.

 

[Zorba]

Apparently her boss sent her home because they thought she was on drugs, right before the accident. I wonder if that will put any liability back on to the manager or restaurant for thinking she was too fucked up to work, but then letter her drive herself away.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/adacia-chambers-interview-oklahoma-state-car-crash-homecoming-parade-accident-driver/

 

[Strk]

Apparently her boss sent her home because they thought she was on drugs, right before the accident. I wonder if that will put any liability back on to the manager or restaurant for thinking she was too fucked up to work, but then letter her drive herself away.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/adacia-chambers-interview-oklahoma-state-car-crash-homecoming-parade-accident-driver/

Good question. I know at my job you're taken for a drug test and brought home by taxi.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

If there is anything good that comes out of this, maybe we can look at our DUI laws. Something needs to change. But, what can the government do? Alcohol is common and encouraged.

More and more I think driverless cars are the answer.

it is the answer for easily getting a MASSIVE reduction in ALL car related deaths (not just DUI ones).

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Apparently her boss sent her home because they thought she was on drugs, right before the accident. I wonder if that will put any liability back on to the manager or restaurant for thinking she was too fucked up to work, but then letter her drive herself away.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/adacia-chambers-interview-oklahoma-state-car-crash-homecoming-parade-accident-driver/

Hmmm, interesting.

Ultimately I would say no. They said go home. They didn't say drive home under the influence.

Plus as far as I'm concerned, the moment an employer tells you to go home is the moment you are out of their responsibility. Employer responsibility is when you are actively working your job. You don't get paid for your commute, do you?

 

[Strk]

Hmmm, interesting.

Ultimately I would say no. They said go home. They didn't say drive home under the influence.

Plus as far as I'm concerned, the moment an employer tells you to go home is the moment you are out of their responsibility. Employer responsibility is when you are actively working your job. You don't get paid for your commute, do you?

Because what's the worst that could happen, right? If they don't want to pay for a taxi, call the cops.

 

[McLovin]

McLovin: Were you there?

Not for the accident , no. I did go to the intersection after the fact.

I work for the city.

All the stuff I'm learning, you'll be surprised to say the least.

I am curious how much liability Freddy's is going to have for sending her home.

 

[JamesV]

Her place of work is screwed.

What is even more f'ed up than what she did, is that somehow people will get closure by finding a scapegoat (ie. her boss). That guy's life is about to be ruined, and nobody will list him among the victims.

That stupid btch deserves all the blame imo.

They certainly won't go after the doctor with good lawyers that prescribed whatever drug she was on, nor will they go after the cops that didn't erect fortified concrete bunkers at intersections, but they will go after the low salaried manager for sure.

Here in Ohio, if you are a bartender, and you serve someone that is drunk, and then they get in an accident, you are liable. I'm sure some twist on that will apply to her workplace and boss.

My heart goes out to those that were hurt and the families of those that lost their life, and to that manager which is about to lose everything through no fault of his own.

 

[yh125d]

Kudos to everyone for letting this get to the second page without some sort of "Well Oklahoma is a shithole, so of course things like this are gonna happen"

 

[OutHouse]

What a terrible accident. Sorry to hear about that.

Based on the pics and description of events, it sounds like they were only using a parked police motorcycle to block the street off. That was a bad idea on someones part, they should have had a minimum of 2 cop cars with lights on at every blocked street to keep traffic out.

in 99.9999% of the time thats all is needed.

 

[yh125d]

Go to an AA meeting. You'll hear a lot of stories like this. Self-deception is part of the problem. If you're honest with yourself, you'll realize that with 2 mixed drinks over a couple of hours, you're still slightly impaired. You're not as attentive. Your reactions are slower, etc.

The reason most people can get away with deceiving themselves is that 99% of the time, you can be essentially brain dead and still operate a car. It's the 1% that you need all of your faculties for.

Not to speak for him, but I think people who make the argument that driving while under the limit, or even well under the limit isn't as bad as most people would think, are not making that argument because they think there isn't any impairment below the limit. In my mind, they're just pointing out that .08 isn't necessarily some magic number that prevents any impairment when you're under it, but rather is the point at which we have all "agreed" that your level of impairment has become dangerous, and becomes a criminal act

 

[OutHouse]

it is the answer for easily getting a MASSIVE reduction in ALL car related deaths (not just DUI ones).

my wife and were talking about that very thing this morning. The Tesla self drive video started the conversation.

 

[yh125d]

in 99.9999% of the time thats all is needed.

Ehh, I think that sounds simpler than it is. I'm not sure how long the parade route is (# of intersections to be covered), but it's pretty big so probably quite a few, and the roads are plenty wide that even two cop cars wouldn't really physically block anyone. And in a vid I saw, the car kind of went up the sidewalk, rather than straight through the middle anyways. That's a lot of cop cars indisposed when there's tons of other activity in town that day

 

[BUTCH1]

Her place of work is screwed.

What is even more f'ed up than what she did, is that somehow people will get closure by finding a scapegoat (ie. her boss). That guy's life is about to be ruined, and nobody will list him among the victims.

That stupid btch deserves all the blame imo.

They certainly won't go after the doctor with good lawyers that prescribed whatever drug she was on, nor will they go after the cops that didn't erect fortified concrete bunkers at intersections, but they will go after the low salaried manager for sure.

Here in Ohio, if you are a bartender, and you serve someone that is drunk, and then they get in an accident, you are liable. I'm sure some twist on that will apply to her workplace and boss.

My heart goes out to those that were hurt and the families of those that lost their life, and to that manager which is about to lose everything through no fault of his own.

Why?, is he supposed to be her life-coach and keep her out of trouble?, is he supposed to teach her common fucking sense not to drive when your that tanked?. She had the option to call a cab or a friend to come pick her dumd-ass up.

 

[yh125d]

If you look at some of her selfie pics she posted, she looks totally plastered in most of them. She may have been on some psyche medications plus drinking, too. So 1 or 2 beers to her, is like 5 or 6 beers to someone not taking an alphabet soup of psyche meds.

That's a hell of a lot of conjecture based on a few facebook photos

 

[Charmonium]

Not to speak for him, but I think people who make the argument that driving while under the limit, or even well under the limit isn't as bad as most people would think, are not making that argument because they think there isn't any impairment below the limit. In my mind, they're just pointing out that .08 isn't necessarily some magic number that prevents any impairment when you're under it, but rather is the point at which we have all "agreed" that your level of impairment has become dangerous, and becomes a criminal act

That's a good point but the problem is that there are too many variables that affect blood alcohol levels. There's also the issue of how finely calibrated your internal drunk-o-meter happens to be. From what I've read, most of the consumer breath test meters are shit. But even if they weren't, you have no idea if your BAL is going up or down.

So my personal point of view is that any level of impairment is too much to be driving since your true level is going to be unique to you and your metabolism as well as all of the factors that play into those. So the .08 level is just to decide who we're going to punish for being impaired. But even under .08, you still shouldn't be driving and you're essentially playing russian roulette if you happen to get stopped at checkpoint or otherwise.

 

[BUTCH1]

and that is supposed to persuade me in my opinion on the subject? Not a chance. I don't believe in the BAC bullshit. If you drink, you need to stay the fuck off the highway until 100% of the alcohol is out of your system.

IMO, if you drink and drive, there should me mandatory prison time on the first offense. Don't even get me going on the second offense.

I'm not trying to persuade your opinion one bit, I'm merely stating facts and facts are your body will process one oz of alcohol per hour out of your system. The person that had 2 beers in 2 hours might blow a big fat zero in the BAC tester. While I understand your reason for your opinion and my condolences for your loss, those are the facts. Since you've stated you have never had an alcoholic beverage how would you know?.

 

[McLovin]

Maybe later