terrible case of child abuse.

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Ontario town in shock after couple charged with keeping sons in cages
Updated: Fri, Jul 06 4:00 PM EDT
BLACKSTOCK, Ont. (CP) - This sleepy Ontario farming village was in shock Friday after two residents were charged in what police call one of the worst cases of child abuse in recent memory.
"People are dumbfounded," said Mike Carlson, who works at a local gas station in the community of approximately 600 people, about 40 kilometres north of Oshawa.
A 49-year-old man and his 40-year-old wife surrendered to police Thursday amid allegations that they kept their two teenaged sons caged in baby cribs wrapped with wire mesh and forced them to wear diapers.

For fear of identifying the youths, the names of their parents were not disclosed.

A police news release alleged the children were shockingly mistreated.

"The youngsters were forced to wear diapers, remained in their cribs for hours, suffered physical punishment and did not receive adequate food," the release said.

Keeping the children locked in cribs allegedly went on "on a daily basis for years," police said.

Few people in town seemed to know much about the family, which has lived in a rented farmhouse on the outskirts of town for about three years.

"I've lived down the street for 15 years and I've never seen them," said Carlson.

"Most people can't believe (the accusations)," said Faye Wilson, whose family operates a local convenience store.

Penny's Mini-Mart was abuzz all day as locals discussed the news of the arrests, Wilson said.

"They're in shock. Nobody ever thought this would happen here."

Neighbours curious to know why the children were rarely seen in the neighbourhood were often told by the father that the boys spent a lot of time playing video games, she added.

Lawrence Van Camp, who rented the couple a three-bedroom home, said the family always kept to themselves and he rarely saw the two boys.

"They've been model tenants," he said in an interview. "They're always polite."

Van Camp described the father as a handy man who always paid the rent on time and frequently performed his own repairs on the house.

The children were taken into custody by the Children's Aid Society after a complaint June 29. Police wouldn't say how many years they believed they had been confined to the makeshift cages.

Meanwhile, the couple was scheduled to appear in court Friday in Oshawa for a bail hearing even though the father had to be taken to hospital Thursday after suffering chest pains, said Durham police Sgt. Paul Malik.

"He was sitting down with police officers when he started complaining of pains in his chest," Malik said. "We took him to hospital . . . as he does suffer from medical problems related to his chest."

The parents have each been charged with assault, assault with a weapon, forcible confinement and failing to provide the necessities of life.

The woman faces an additional charge of administering a noxious substance.

The nature of the substance hasn't been revealed.





terrible, just terrible.

*kat. <-- this made her ill.
 

Alienwho

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Does this remind anybody else of that old movie, &quot;The people under the stairs&quot;.
 

LordUnum

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<< Does this remind anybody else of that old movie, &quot;The people under the stairs&quot;. >>


Speaking of... I never got whether that film was horror, comedy, satire, or some mish-mash of the above.

As for the news story, well, that's just sick.
 

MrCodeDude

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Where were the kids on this? I mean, if my parents kept me in a crib and forced me to wear diapers, I sure as hell would tell anyone and everyone about this situation while at school, to stop the abuse.
-- mrcodedude
 

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<< Where were the kids on this? I mean, if my parents kept me in a crib and forced me to wear diapers, I sure as hell would tell anyone and everyone about this situation while at school, to stop the abuse.
-- mrcodedude
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Did you read...? &quot;No one ever saw the boys...&quot; Or, if they told, the parents could just say, 'yeah right...what r u talking about?'
 

Elledan

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<< lethal injection asap, k thx. >>




<< That's horrible. They should be taken out back and shot. >>


Thanks for the constructive arguments. Bloodthirsty, irrational fools.

They should be used as subjects in neurological research. They will undergo many tests which might shed some light on how the brain functions and why those two individuals showed such obnormal behaviour.

This way they'll be useful to Humanity after all.
 

Murphyrulez

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That's what happens when you live in Canada. The cold and the hockey go to your head and you do crazy stuff, like lock your most prized possessions in cribs.

:)
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Paul
 

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<< lethal injection asap, k thx. >>




<< That's horrible. They should be taken out back and shot. >>


Thanks for the constructive arguments. Bloodthirsty, irrational fools.

They should be used as subjects in neurological research. They will undergo many tests which might shed some light on how the brain functions and why those two individuals showed such obnormal behaviour.

This way they'll be useful to Humanity after all.
>>




I totally agree!
 

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<<

<< lethal injection asap, k thx. >>




<< That's horrible. They should be taken out back and shot. >>


Thanks for the constructive arguments. Bloodthirsty, irrational fools.

They should be used as subjects in neurological research. They will undergo many tests which might shed some light on how the brain functions and why those two individuals showed such obnormal behaviour.

This way they'll be useful to Humanity after all.
>>



Sure.. Dissect them for research... while thet're still alive.

They are ANIMALS that need to be &quot;put to sleep&quot;. If a dog bites a child, it's killed. But if a &quot;human&quot; does something FAR worse, scarring two humans for life, they should be used as lab rats. Why does everyone seem to thing that ALL humans are good?

Maybe we can let all the child molesters/abusers/lab experiments move into YOUR neighborhood. Let's see how long your heart bleeds for them then.

Enabler..
 

shiner

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I thought this sort of thing only happened in that God forsaken country The United States of America. Oh well...at least down here in the U.S. the people would pay severely for what they have done. What's the worst that can happen to them in Canada, be forced to undergo psychiatric testing and some comfy prison time? Bring them down here and throw them in a U.S. prison with some mother rapers, father stabbers, or father rapers and mother stabbers(Arlo Guthrie reference) and see how they like it.

Thanks for the constructive arguments. Bloodthirsty, irrational fools.

They should be used as subjects in neurological research. They will undergo many tests which might shed some light on how the brain functions and why those two individuals showed such obnormal behaviour.

This way they'll be useful to Humanity after all.


What a crock....yeah let's study them. I'm sure they were just had some neurons misfiring and were themselves victims. I say lock them up in a cage for however many years and treat them exactly as they treated the kids.
 

Noriaki

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MrCodeDude: Why do abusive wives stay with their husbands?
This level of emotional trauma isn't that simple.
It would be nice if it was, but it's not :(

I'm not even going to comment on the news bit....that's just horrifying...
 

Elledan

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<< Thanks for the constructive arguments. Bloodthirsty, irrational fools.

They should be used as subjects in neurological research. They will undergo many tests which might shed some light on how the brain functions and why those two individuals showed such obnormal behaviour.

This way they'll be useful to Humanity after all.


What a crock....yeah let's study them. I'm sure they were just had some neurons misfiring and were themselves victims. I say lock them up in a cage for however many years and treat them exactly as they treated the kids.
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Yes, we should study them. It's the only way they can be useful. Since we can't just take a 'healthy' person out of society and run tests on him/her full-time, we should use whatever individuals get rejected by society. Like those two people.

And in case you haven't realized it yet, I'm against any form of violence against anyone, even if it's a criminal who has just beaten his child (nearly) to death. By killing or physically/mentally torturing them, you show that you're nothing better than they are.

It's actually very simple: they willingly made a serious mistake. By doing so they lost their rights on an own life. They can then be used for any experiments. Basically they've become slaves without any rights but being kept alive and not being tortured.

Why wasting such excellent subjects for research?
 

shiner

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<< And in case you haven't realized it yet, I'm against any form of violence against anyone, even if it's a criminal who has just beaten his child (nearly) to death. By killing or physically/mentally torturing them, you show that you're nothing better than they are. >>



Oh God you're one of those people. So you're telling me that if some drooling murderer came in, raped your wife, killed her, raped your children, killed them, and then burned down your house you wouldn't be for putting them to death? If so then you are a very sad individual. If that happened to me I'd hunt the guy myself and make sure he didn't live to do it again. Sometimes you just have to thin the herd.
 

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<<

<< And in case you haven't realized it yet, I'm against any form of violence against anyone, even if it's a criminal who has just beaten his child (nearly) to death. By killing or physically/mentally torturing them, you show that you're nothing better than they are. >>



Oh God you're one of those people. So you're telling me that if some drooling murderer came in, raped your wife, killed her, raped your children, killed them, and then burned down your house you wouldn't be for putting them to death? If so then you are a very sad individual. If that happened to me I'd hunt the guy myself and make sure he didn't live to do it again. Sometimes you just have to thin the herd.
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You've no idea what I am. I just know that revenge is NOT a solution. This guy you described obviously isn't alright mentally and can't function properly in society. He'll be used as subject in various tests, experiments and research. He'll then finally be useful to society even though he won't have his own life. He voluntarily gave away his rights on an own life when he made the wrong decision, i.e. murdering.

If the murderer of my wife would be mentally alright, I'd sit down with him and talk to him. Break any mental defenses he has build up to finally disable the 'bomb' inside him which has driven him to commit such an irrational act.
 

shiner

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You've no idea what I am. I just know that revenge is NOT a solution. This guy you described obviously isn't alright mentally and can't function properly in society. He'll be used as subject in various tests, experiments and research. He'll then finally be useful to society even though he won't have his own life. He voluntarily gave away his rights on an own life when he made the wrong decision, i.e. murdering.

That's precisely why he would need to die. Studying the brain won't get us a damn thing. Hell they still aren't sure how a &quot;normal&quot; brain functions. What makes you think they can figure out where one malfunctioned?

If the murderer of my wife would be mentally alright, I'd sit down with him and talk to him. Break any mental defenses he has build up to finally disable the 'bomb' inside him which has driven him to commit such an irrational act.

While you're at it why don't you bake him some cookies and make him some tea?
 

Murphyrulez

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Why not invite him to live with you while you &quot;rehabilitate&quot; him? Maybe he can get the rest of your family that he missed the first time.

Ever hear &quot;Eye for eye, tooth for tooth&quot;.

You reap what you sow.

Reap the whirlwind...

Paul
 

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(thats penny ante stuff)
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Sta. July 7,2001
Child Testifies Against Father in Murder
Trial
Court: Twelve-year-old describes what she remembers of
sister's and brother's beatings and deaths and the 5-year-old boy's
burial in forest.

By JEAN GUCCIONE, Times Staff Writer


A 12-year-old girl testified Friday that her father, Marco
Barrera, killed her 2-year-old sister and then beat her 5-year-old
brother daily until his death in 1998.
Maria Esquivel, speaking in a hushed courtroom in San
Fernando, recalled the final minutes of Guadalupe &quot;Lupita&quot;
Esquivel's young life, but had difficulty remembering the particular
beating that caused Ernesto Esquivel's death.
Barrera, 38, could face the death penalty for killing and
allegedly torturing his two children. Sheriff's deputies found their
bodies buried in the Angeles National Forest in March 1998.
Autopsies showed that 13 of the boy's ribs had been broken and
that he had suffered fractures of both arms; Lupita died of a
fractured skull and internal bleeding.
Maria remained composed throughout her nearly two hours of
testimony in Barrera's murder trial. She wept openly just once,
when trying to recall Ernesto's death.
She often put her hands over her eyes as Deputy Dist. Atty.
Carolyn McNary questioned her about the years of abuse involving
her siblings.
Barrera's attorney, Arthur Braudrick, said his client has admitted
to fatally beating both children but has said he did not torture them.
Braudrick is asking the San Fernando jury to spare the Pacoima
man's life by convicting him of second-degree murder.
Maria is the first of Barrera's children to testify against him. At
least two others are expected to take the stand next week in Los
Angeles County Superior Court Judge Ronald S. Coen's
courtroom.
Maria testified that one morning Lupita wet a mattress the
children all slept on, precipitating a beating by Barrera that ended in
Lupita's death.
&quot;My dad started hitting her with his hand and threw her on the
wall,&quot; she said.
When Lupita cried, Barrera ordered Maria to give her a cold
shower. Maria said she began a warm shower, but Barrera came
into the bathroom and turned on the cold water.
When Lupita continued to cry, Barrera carried her from the
bathroom by one arm while hitting the 2-year-old on the back with
his hand, Maria said.
After the beating, &quot;my dad threw her into the wall&quot; about eight
feet away, she said. &quot;It sounded like something cracked . . . her
neck went down&quot; and she stopped crying.
Barrera ordered Maria to try to prop up Lupita's head, she said,
but she couldn't. &quot;It kept going down,&quot; she testified.
&quot;You killed her,&quot; Maria said her aunt told Barrera.
&quot;He told [her aunt] not to tell nobody,&quot; Maria testified; he told
the children &quot;don't tell nobody.&quot;
Maria said that was the last time she was with her sister.
After Lupita's death, Maria said, Barrera treated Ernesto &quot;nice&quot;
for about a week, then began to beat him daily.
&quot;He used to hit him so hard . . . [with] a belt, leather shoes,
whatever he could find,&quot; she said.
Ernesto &quot;had red marks, bruises, a broken leg,&quot; Maria testified.
She said Ernesto would hop on one foot because his other leg was
broken.
Before his death, the prosecutor said, Ernesto was in a coma.
Maria described how her brother was propped against the wall,
where his siblings and aunt tried to feed him. &quot;It looked like he was
asleep,&quot; she testified.
Maria said she could not recall what happened to Ernesto the
day he died, but she described vividly the night she helped bury
him.
Ernesto's body was on the floor in the back seat of Barrera's
car, and Maria was among the children in the back seat.
Barrera told them &quot;to put our feet up so we don't have to touch
the body,&quot; Maria said.
He also told his children that if police stopped them, to put their
feet down to hide the body.
In the forest, Barrera instructed his children to tell authorities, if
confronted, &quot;that we didn't know what was going on, that we never
saw the body before,&quot; Maria said.
Maria told jurors she did not immediately tell police about
Lupita's death because her father had threatened her before his
arrest. It took authorities three weeks before they realized Barrera
had another child buried in the same forest.
&quot;He said when he came out of jail he would hit us,&quot; Maria
testified. &quot;I knew my dad would come out of jail . . . and he would
hit us really hard.&quot;
Maria told jurors her father focused most of his abuse on two of
the 14 children he fathered with his wife, Petra Ricardo, 39, also
known as Petra Esquivel, and her sister, Maria Ricardo, 31, also
known as Juana Barrera.
The family tree is so confusing that McNary brought a chart
showing all the children and their relationship to the two women.
Not only do some of the children share the same first names, but
the family has also used so many aliases over the years that even
the authorities have had difficulty determining their real names.
Maria Ricardo is also on trial for child abuse and accessory to
murder; Petra Ricardo is serving four years in prison for child
endangerment, under a plea agreement that requires her to testify
against her husband and sister.
 

linuxboy

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<< Ever hear &quot;Eye for eye, tooth for tooth&quot;. >>



even hear &quot;eye for an eye, and everyone is blind&quot; ?
 

SSP

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Nah, death penalty is too easy for them. I like the fact that they can get life in prison enjoying the company of bubba at night.
 

Wallydraigle

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Oh but you do have the death penalty in Canada.

Just put it all over the papers so everyone knows these people, then let them go. The general population loves people like this.;)