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Tent University Police Violence
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daniel1113
Diamond Member
The more I watch this video, the more I want to get into law enforcement, specifically crowd control.
what i don't get is how a peaceful protest can turn into police intentionally hurting people...
these people were *sitting*. my point is that maybe the scenario should have gone something like this:
- one police officer approaches one protester (preferable one who seems to be a leader, or even just pick one, but make it obvious that you're approaching them as peacefully as they're sitting there)
- inform them that you're about to remove them, and if they refuse, they'll be under arrest. the officer knows that the protesters aren't about to just leave..
- so this is where I think the police fvcked things u a little... as an officer, chances are that you're provided with handcuffs, use them. handcuff them and take them away. these people were litereally not moving. I don't see why they insisted on trying their physical torture techniques.
if the protesters had been violent, then ya, be violent with them, but in this case, the officers were just walking casually, not really concerned about getting hurt..
note: i know alot of people won't agree with me, but i find that local cops tend to go overboard on the smallest things. and another reason i'm not too fond of cops is because we have a police acamedy in my town, and it seems it's a class full of big ego jocks, and it's as though they never grow out of this. i've had friends who became cops, so i know there are genuinely good cops, but for the most part they have an attitude problem imo
these people were *sitting*. my point is that maybe the scenario should have gone something like this:
- one police officer approaches one protester (preferable one who seems to be a leader, or even just pick one, but make it obvious that you're approaching them as peacefully as they're sitting there)
- inform them that you're about to remove them, and if they refuse, they'll be under arrest. the officer knows that the protesters aren't about to just leave..
- so this is where I think the police fvcked things u a little... as an officer, chances are that you're provided with handcuffs, use them. handcuff them and take them away. these people were litereally not moving. I don't see why they insisted on trying their physical torture techniques.
if the protesters had been violent, then ya, be violent with them, but in this case, the officers were just walking casually, not really concerned about getting hurt..
note: i know alot of people won't agree with me, but i find that local cops tend to go overboard on the smallest things. and another reason i'm not too fond of cops is because we have a police acamedy in my town, and it seems it's a class full of big ego jocks, and it's as though they never grow out of this. i've had friends who became cops, so i know there are genuinely good cops, but for the most part they have an attitude problem imo
lol epersona? ok. im just crackin on you cause you go off bitchin and name calling because people called them hippies. reminded me of nik and some of his antics. grow some skin. i never said you agreed with them anyway, did i?
so let me make sure i have this right. its ok to call those that disagree with their cause and tactics elitist douchebags, but its not ok to call the protestors hippies? watch the vid again, i see plenty of people that would fall into that category with the tie dye and hats, etc. so if its 95% true, then it must be ok to call them hippies, by your own logic, correct?
so why are those that called them hippies elitist douchebags?
its atot. no reason to take stuff so serious.
bradruth
Lifer
Have you ever handcuffed someone? Have you ever handcuffed a person who was resisting? Have you ever attempted to gain control of someone who was resisting? If you had, you'd realize that pain compliance (in this case, utilizing pressure points) is often necessary. It might look like these people aren't moving, but they're locking together and are ACTIVELY RESISTING.
thomsbrain
Lifer
as the only person in this thread so far who actually goes to this school, i thought i'd chime in:
i commute, so i drive past the "Tent University" 2-5 times a day (its at the base of campus). "Tent University" consists of 1 medium-sized picnic-type tent, 1 normal sleeping tent, and today, they added 1 small picnic-type tent. There have generally been about 20-30 people there at a time. This is not in any way a massive demonstation.
The Universtity's chief concern here is that the protestors failed to provide any sort of sanitation facilities or security, and the University fears they could be held liable for injuries, sickness, you name it. I have no idea where they are going to bathroom, since they are a good walk from any buildings, and the ones closest to them are just the Parking Office and some other purely administrative stuff.
From what I understand, they are "protesting" a number of different things. Basically a lot of crap that has been piling up for a few years now, and students have been getting more and more pissed about it. First of all, we've had our tuition raised multiple times this year alone. Second, our janitors/groundskeepers/food service people are not paid a living wage. i mean literally, you could barely support yourself on what they are paid, and if you have a kid, forget about it. considering they have to clean crap off of toilets all day, that's a little fvcked. but here's the kicker. we just got a new chancellor. she's a lesbian (fine, no problem, we're all liberals here), but the problem is the University also brought in her partner and MADE UP a completely bullsh!t job for her to do, too. the GF is being paid more than 100K a year to do her BS job, and the chancellor got a big raise, pushing her well over the 200K mark. all the rest of high-level faculty also got hefty raises. meanwhile, the low-level staff got nothing, and student services are being cut back.
last week, low-level staff had a strike, supported by hundreds of students. entrances and entire city blocks were blocked off, and the school was essentially shut down, as many professors and TA's chose not to cross the picket lines, despite being legally required to.
so the Tent University is supposedly an attempt to prolong that protest. that said, if you ask me, it's just a bunch of hippies who were looking for any excuse to camp out at school and live in a fun little commune for a while, all while sticking it to "the man." some of the more extreme professors have said they will lecture down there, but i don't know first hand if this has been taking place. i'm a liberal and i support the causes, but i think the Tent University is stupid. some local buisnesses have been supporting them, changing their street signs to say things like "We Support Tent University," although today (4/20), I saw one was changed to "Munchies Till Midnight." Although I think Tent U was silly, I do think the video show evidence of the University and the Police handling the situation very badly. Students shouldn't be choked until they pass out for the crime of sitting on a lawn at the school that some of them live at! Keep in mind there is no curfew...
so there you go, UCSC Campus News courtesy thoms brain.
i commute, so i drive past the "Tent University" 2-5 times a day (its at the base of campus). "Tent University" consists of 1 medium-sized picnic-type tent, 1 normal sleeping tent, and today, they added 1 small picnic-type tent. There have generally been about 20-30 people there at a time. This is not in any way a massive demonstation.
The Universtity's chief concern here is that the protestors failed to provide any sort of sanitation facilities or security, and the University fears they could be held liable for injuries, sickness, you name it. I have no idea where they are going to bathroom, since they are a good walk from any buildings, and the ones closest to them are just the Parking Office and some other purely administrative stuff.
From what I understand, they are "protesting" a number of different things. Basically a lot of crap that has been piling up for a few years now, and students have been getting more and more pissed about it. First of all, we've had our tuition raised multiple times this year alone. Second, our janitors/groundskeepers/food service people are not paid a living wage. i mean literally, you could barely support yourself on what they are paid, and if you have a kid, forget about it. considering they have to clean crap off of toilets all day, that's a little fvcked. but here's the kicker. we just got a new chancellor. she's a lesbian (fine, no problem, we're all liberals here), but the problem is the University also brought in her partner and MADE UP a completely bullsh!t job for her to do, too. the GF is being paid more than 100K a year to do her BS job, and the chancellor got a big raise, pushing her well over the 200K mark. all the rest of high-level faculty also got hefty raises. meanwhile, the low-level staff got nothing, and student services are being cut back.
last week, low-level staff had a strike, supported by hundreds of students. entrances and entire city blocks were blocked off, and the school was essentially shut down, as many professors and TA's chose not to cross the picket lines, despite being legally required to.
so the Tent University is supposedly an attempt to prolong that protest. that said, if you ask me, it's just a bunch of hippies who were looking for any excuse to camp out at school and live in a fun little commune for a while, all while sticking it to "the man." some of the more extreme professors have said they will lecture down there, but i don't know first hand if this has been taking place. i'm a liberal and i support the causes, but i think the Tent University is stupid. some local buisnesses have been supporting them, changing their street signs to say things like "We Support Tent University," although today (4/20), I saw one was changed to "Munchies Till Midnight." Although I think Tent U was silly, I do think the video show evidence of the University and the Police handling the situation very badly. Students shouldn't be choked until they pass out for the crime of sitting on a lawn at the school that some of them live at! Keep in mind there is no curfew...
so there you go, UCSC Campus News courtesy thoms brain.
i can understand them being pissed about the uni and those types of practices, but is anyone talking about taking their money and skills elsewhere? i know its not easy to just up and quit your job or transfer your credits, but if the uni is run that shoddy, what have they got to lose by leaving?
quakefiend420
Lifer
server is now raped...anyone got a mirror?
daniel1113
Diamond Member
I was with you until this sentence. The police were not choking the students. I repeat, there was no choking. They were merely applying force to known pressure points around the neck and shoulders. I'm guessing you are confusing some of the grimmacing faces made by the students for passing out, which doesn't appear to be happening.
This whole thing is stupid. If you don't like what the school is doing, don't go to school there. Very simple. The school is a business and students are a customer. They aren't entitled to anything. If they don't like the service they get, take their dollars elsewhere. Don't hold a stupid protest. That's like camping out in front of Best Buy because they don't pay their cashiers enough money and the CEO's mistress got a BS job there.
As for the ignorant comments about the cops should be doing better things....grow up.
As for the ignorant comments about the cops should be doing better things....grow up.
StageLeft
No Lifer
Well now that I've seen the video I don't see what the fuss is about. There was no brutality at all. The cops were removing some people off private property, right? If you don't like them pressing on your neck then how's about standing up? These people had ample time to do it, but were acting like little babies pretending that they were being choked. Well if it hurt so much how about playing along with the po-po? Whiny buggars, like most college protestors. Better to complain about something like this than go to class. Hey, if you don't like the university go elsewhere.
Those stupid ass hippies! Man I'm glad the cops did that, I wish they used more force! I'm an alumni of UCSC and I was trying to go to the gym after work, but them dumb hippies were blocking my car from entering campus. They were hitting the hood of my car and forced me to turn around. They don't like their jobs on campus? Oh gee what shall they do? Oh get a new job! I feel they get overpaid on campus anyway, bunch of lazy workers there.
It's a mandibular lock if I remember correctly from my PPCT training. No force at all was applied in any way to the airway. After reading the initial comments, I thought that it was another hold in which it appears as though your arm is around the assailant's neck, however, you are reaching around and grasping the far side of their chin and exposing the nerve that runs down the side of your neck from the attachment point of your earlobe and along your upper jawbone, but it wasn't even that move. In my opinion, training and experience, these officers acted pretty calmly all things considered. The whiny assed students went a long way toward making this sound like a clip from Hellraiser or something and make this look far, far worse than it actually is. Truth be told, nothing the cops could have done would have been right in this case short of allowing them to continue unabated toward breaking the laws and/or regulations of the university.
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