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Tens of thousands more layoffs are announced

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Things are looking only to get worse before they get better it seems. We are continuing to see a mass of job losses for the near foreseeable future. Hopefully Obama can get his stimulus package passed ASAP.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200...bi_ge/business_outlook

Tens of thousands more layoffs are announced

By JEANNINE AVERSA, AP Economics Writer Jeannine Aversa, Ap Economics Writer 1 hr 35 mins ago

WASHINGTON ? It's already been a lousy year for workers less than a month into 2009 and there's no relief in sight. Tens of thousands of fresh layoffs were announced Monday and more companies are expected to cut payrolls in the months ahead.

A new survey by the National Association for Business Economics depicts the worst business conditions in the U.S. since the report's inception in 1982.

Thirty-nine percent of NABE's forecasters predicted job reductions through attrition or "significant" layoffs over the next six months, up from 32 percent in the previous survey in October. Around 45 percent in the current survey anticipated no change in hiring plans, while roughly 17 percent thought hiring would increase.

The recession, which started in December 2007, and is expected to stretch into this year, has been a job killer. The economy lost 2.6 million jobs last year, the most since 1945. The unemployment rate jumped to 7.2 percent in December, the highest in 16 years, and is expected to keep climbing.

"Job losses accelerated in the fourth quarter, and the employment outlook for the next six months has weakened further," said Sara Johnson, NABE's lead analyst on the survey and an economist at IHS Global Insight.

Thousands more jobs cuts were announced Monday. Pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc., which is buying rival drugmaker Wyeth in a $68 billion deal, and Sprint Nextel Corp., the country's third-largest wireless provider, said they each will slash 8,000 jobs. Home Depot Inc., the biggest home improvement retailer in the U.S., will get rid of 7,000 jobs, and General Motors Corp. said it will cut 2,000 jobs at plants in Michigan and Ohio due to slow sales.

Caterpillar Inc., the world's largest maker of mining and construction equipment, announced 5,000 new layoffs on top of several earlier actions. The latest cuts of support and management employees will be made globally by the end of March. An additional 2,500 workers already have accepted buyout offers, and ties have been severed with about 8,000 contract workers worldwide. In addition, about 4,000 full-time factory workers already have been let go.

Just last week, Microsoft Corp. said it will slash up to 5,000 jobs over the next 18 months. Intel Corp. said it will cut up to 6,000 manufacturing jobs and United Airlines parent UAL Corp. said it would get rid of 1,000 jobs, on top of 1,500 axed late last year.

The NABE survey of 105 forecasters was taken Dec. 17 through Jan. 8.

Also in the survey, 52 percent said they expected gross domestic product to fall by more than 1 percent this year. GDP measures the value of all goods and services produced within the U.S. and is the best barometer of the country's economic fitness. The last time GDP fell for a full year was in 1991, a tiny 0.2 percent dip. The economy shrank by 1.9 percent in 1982, when the country was suffering through a severe recession.

Forecasters have grown more pessimistic about the outlook. In the October survey, no forecaster thought GDP would fall by more than 1 percent.

In terms of business conditions, more reported customer demand dropping, capital spending reductions and shrinking profit margins.

Peoria, Ill.-based Caterpillar also reported Monday that its fourth-quarter profit plunged 32 percent. The company expects sharply lower results this year as global economic problems cut into its business.

Altogether the NABE report "depicts the worst business conditions since the survey began in 1982, confirming that the U.S. recession deepened in the fourth quarter of 2008," Johnson said.

Many analysts predict the economy will have contracted at a pace of 5.4 percent in the fourth quarter when the government releases that report on Friday. If they are correct, that would mark the worst performance since a 6.4 percent drop in the first quarter of 1982. The economy is still contracting now ? at a pace of around 4 percent, according to some projections.
 
IIRC unemployment is a lagging indicator. While it holds merit, I wouldn't put too much equity into it, a lot more job losses were expected and still are.
 
Going to be a nasty spring/summer.

Anyone think there is a (potential) silver lining to this cloud? Send all the illegal immigrants back home and re-employ all the laid off workers. Of course, it will never happen but that's would supply and demand would call for...
 
Originally posted by: Insomniator
So is it common for people to just assume/think "Stimulus package = everything better"

Especially since most of the pork package.... i mean stimulus package, doesnt spend any money until 2010 or later?

 
Originally posted by: alchemize
Going to be a nasty spring/summer.

Anyone think there is a (potential) silver lining to this cloud? Send all the illegal immigrants back home and re-employ all the laid off workers. Of course, it will never happen but that's would supply and demand would call for...

Last week, stats surprisingly showed Houston actually gained employment. Most are speculating that it was a result of replacement of illegal immigrant workers with legal workers.
 
I wish there was a more statistically significant way to track unemployment numbers - and GDP for that matter.

And accounting for 'underemployed' is ridiculous.
 
Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: alchemize
Going to be a nasty spring/summer.

Anyone think there is a (potential) silver lining to this cloud? Send all the illegal immigrants back home and re-employ all the laid off workers. Of course, it will never happen but that's would supply and demand would call for...

Last week, stats surprisingly showed Houston actually gained employment. Most are speculating that it was a result of replacement of illegal immigrant workers with legal workers.

Keep in mind that a great many people who are getting laid off cannot make ends meet even if they were employed in the positions currently held by illegals due to the wages being so little. It isn't just about finding a new job. It is about finding a new job which will pay for all of your needs. Flipping burgers and McDonalds, washing dishes, doing hard labor on a farm, etc is unlikely to pay for the rent/mortgage, food, etc of a guy who used to be pulling in $15+/hr with a family consisting of a wife and one or two kids.

Illegal immigration is related in some way to the problem of unemployment, but it is hardly enough to make it a primary focus. We won't find the solution we need that way and even though improving that situation could help a little with unemployment I think we would see much more favorable results by investing that time and money elsewhere for now.
 
Originally posted by: Slew FootEspecially since most of the pork package.... i mean stimulus package, doesnt spend any money until 2010 or later?

Not to mention that much of any money that goes towards increased consumer spending for manufactured goods will pass over the borders to enrich the Chinese or Indians.
 
Originally posted by: Xavier434Illegal immigration is related in some way to the problem of unemployment, but it is hardly enough to make it a primary focus. We won't find the solution we need that way and even though improving that situation could help a little with unemployment I think we would see much more favorable results by investing that time and money elsewhere for now.

Your point is well-taken, but it should be noted that the illegals also artificially depressed wages in some industries such as construction and meatpacking.
 
Originally posted by: alchemizeAnyone think there is a (potential) silver lining to this cloud? Send all the illegal immigrants back home and re-employ all the laid off workers. Of course, it will never happen but that's would supply and demand would call for...

If anything, Obama and the Democrats and many Republicans are going to encourage more illegal immigration by offering amnesty to the illegals and more government benefits for them (health care for illegals, education, etc.).
 
Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Originally posted by: Xavier434Illegal immigration is related in some way to the problem of unemployment, but it is hardly enough to make it a primary focus. We won't find the solution we need that way and even though improving that situation could help a little with unemployment I think we would see much more favorable results by investing that time and money elsewhere for now.

Your point is well-taken, but it should be noted that the illegals also artificially depressed wages in some industries such as construction and meatpacking.

Yes, depending on the area I do agree. That is a problem I would rather see taken care of after we recover from this economic slump though.
 
Originally posted by: loki8481
the Cat layoffs surprised me... is it fallout from lowered home construction?

Global construction is down. Housing construction is a small part of sales. Global sales have been a siginificant part of Cat's revenue for quite a while. Nearly all economies are hurting and Cat is feeling that pain.
 
And only a small amount of the new bailout bill is going toward repaing the infrastructure which will create jobs immediately.

Many ohter targets will not kick in for 4-6 months of more.

Some will not even generate jobs, but are a shopping list of feel good projects.

Dump the funds into repair/expanding the roads/bridges that are in serious need of repair.
Turn the bids loose with timelines on the projects and watch the people start getting back to work.
 
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Obama is looking to spend & tax our way out of this recession 😕

The symbol of the Republican party really needs to be the parrot, replacing the elephant.

You guys think that parroting well-tested attack phrases like "tax and spend" is an argument for anything.

No, all it is is an indication fo the degree to which you are ideologically conditioned and brainwashed.
 
It's pretty scary. But January/December are generally horrible months with respect to layoffs. Lets see how February turns out.

In the meantime, there's always unpaid overtime and brownnosing to improve your chances of not getting laid off.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Obama is looking to spend & tax our way out of this recession 😕

The symbol of the Republican party really needs to be the parrot, replacing the elephant.

You guys think that parroting well-tested attack phrases like "tax and spend" is an argument for anything.

No, all it is is an indication fo the degree to which you are ideologically conditioned and brainwashed.

Who was parroting? He stated a fact.
 
Originally posted by: nixium
It's pretty scary. But January/December are generally horrible months with respect to layoffs. Lets see how February turns out.

In the meantime, there's always unpaid overtime and brownnosing to improve your chances of not getting laid off.

Heh, that is the future for US workers. More work for less pay and shit eating.
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Obama is looking to spend & tax our way out of this recession 😕

The symbol of the Republican party really needs to be the parrot, replacing the elephant.

You guys think that parroting well-tested attack phrases like "tax and spend" is an argument for anything.

No, all it is is an indication fo the degree to which you are ideologically conditioned and brainwashed.
Funny how a person can never see it in themself, eh? If you catch my drift.
 
Originally posted by: GrGrHeh, that is the future for US workers. More work for less pay and shit eating.

It's just part of our merging our economy and standard of living with those of India, China, and Mexico. Hello America, are you ready to join the third world?
 
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Obama is looking to spend & tax our way out of this recession 😕

The symbol of the Republican party really needs to be the parrot, replacing the elephant.

You guys think that parroting well-tested attack phrases like "tax and spend" is an argument for anything.

No, all it is is an indication fo the degree to which you are ideologically conditioned and brainwashed.

How about a polished turd? They keep using the same ideas without regards to the facts about what most Americans have been facing lately. They just polish the same crap, presenting it to the public at large, hoping it will work again this time. Some of these policies may have been just what the economy needed during the Reagan era, but that doesn't mean that the same old tricks will work this time. To continue to do the same thing time after time and expect different results is insanity. Tax cuts....deregulation...liberal smearing of tax/spend....spend anyway....more tax cuts....trickle-down economics....etc...etc...etc....

On another note, even us parrots have a brain. With the right incentive, we can fly pretty damn high, too. Fat cats make us take flight, while everyone else seems to have gotten bitten as of late. Even bird-brains have the sense not to believe the same R's that have been in power from 2000-2008.
 
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