Zaap
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- Jun 12, 2008
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Pretty much everything you've posted. So I take it Microsoft doesn't have your CEO resume? Weaseled out, eh? It's okay, I'm sure some all the other class-envy types have theirs in.
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And yes, we're all in so much danger of McDonalds, Walmart, Yum Foods, Restaurant chains, and Starbucks outsourcing all of their jobs. You'll have to send away to China if you want a Big Mac. A cup of overpriced coffee will be a trip to Thailand.
Fucking stupid, none of these 10 companies are outsourcing, that's just another idiotic catch-all don't turn your brain on phrase people have latched onto.
Meanwhile, see the Boeing thread if you want to know why companies outsource. Now an 80k a year job with 10k signing bonus and benefits package is something to whine about. People are pissed because the company gets 8.9 billion dollar tax break, because much of the populace has gotten so fucking stupid and serf-minded they'd rather the state have that 8.9 billion to turn into debt, than a company have 8.9 billion that can be used to pay more salaries, create more economic activity, pay off shareholders who otherwise wouldn't invest in the company in the first place, etc. To say nothing of the fact that whatever the company is getting as a 'break' is just part of what they actually PAY in taxes, to say nothing of all the taxes paid by employees who actually have incomes and spend money/pay taxes.
People are just devolving into idiots, and statist-minded serfs.
It's no wonder companies than can do things that can be outsourced (hint to the dumbells, that's probably NOT food services, unless you're sending off to India for a taco) see it as more increasingly a favorable option.
Too few one among our less-skilled, less REAL WORLD educated (bullshit degrees don't count) ever more entitled, more ignorant than ever workforce wants to take responsibility for their own role in reasons for outsourcing. Mainly: many aren't that bright, aren't all that skilled, are fairly lazy, yet think they are God's own gift to every company. They also think everyone else around the world is just an ignorant savage who can't do what they can. Witness the whine of the Boeing ingrate making close to 100k a year + bennies with "No one in some overseas shithole can do what I do!" For anything approaching your salary, even half of it in many parts of the world, a trained chimpanzee will do what you do.
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I have a friend who started his own business here in LA ten years ago- since has grown it into a multi-million dollar small business. He saw a need for and invented/manufactures a specific camera-mount setup that studios, sports teams and others needed.
For the past decade China was his best option for getting the parts for his product manufactured, so he was back and forth between LA and Shenzhen every month.
About 6 months ago, he tells me he's tired of all the travel, wants to bring his whole operation to LA- warehouse/factory in the SF Valley. He's in-sourcing, bringing it back home. Doing his part. Plus he was tired of the factories he was dealing with in China- it isn't all a bed of roses doing business there, in fact, it's a MAJOR PITA. (Another thing stupid people that think it's all fun and profit and champagne toasts don't know/understand).
So anyway, I was interested to see what happened with that. I talked to him recently after he's been "back" for about the last 6 months.
He tried hiring people here in LA to make/assemble the same parts China was doing. Every DAY it was one thing after another. First: finding anyone qualified, capable, not a blithering idiot who thinks he/she is God's gift, etc. etc.... mission almost-fucking-impossible. Even in a gutted economy, offering a decent wage, flexible hours, decent conditions, few people actually want a fucking job.
Once he did finally get a staff, Employees not showing up to work, some excuse or other. People just LAZY as all fuck. People who on paper were qualified to run the equipment/assemble things turn out to be retards who can't do JACK SHIT without being supervised constantly. People taking 3 hour lunch breaks, disappearing from their worksite, not meeting deadlines, etc. etc.
Best of all, he's since had to deal with sexual harassment lawsuits. (Two of his warehouse employees harassed a female accountant. Such things are kind of a joke to most people, but try dealing with them (while trying to run the rest of your business) as an employer.
Dealing with the city's red-tape was an absolute nightmare. Pretty much every obstacle that could be placed in his path, was thrown in his path.
End result? You guessed it. He's back in China.
US "workers" who think they are God's gift but really suck in a lot of ways simply can't compete with China, and it's not just about the price of labor (My friend was willing to pay FAR more individually to hire people here, but it actually costs him more money to do business in China because of the travel expenses, the need to hire a larger minimum number of workers there to secure a factory, and the cultural differences and time/shipping delays, etc. It's a major PITA.
But: they actually do the fucking job and deliver the product. His attempt at doing the same with a US workforce was an absolute fucking nightmare in comparison.
So until the US worker collectively shapes the F up- then STFU about outsourcing. Collectively, in many ways too many are unwilling to look inwardly and address: YOU F'ING SUCK. You may think you're God's gift, worth more than workers everywhere else, but newsflash: many aren't. Until people deal with the reality of that, and face the fact that it's not only a free country that people like my friend can move around in wherever they please, it's FREE WORLD that people like my friend can move around in wherever they f'ing please.
Entitled fucking morons just because they are American entitled fucking morons can't force anyone to not go where they can actually get things done, and accept what is for them a better deal. Not individuals, and not entire global companies. And no, all the idiotic threats of storming the treasury and stealing everyone's tax money because idiots think they are entitled to that too isn't going to change that fact either.
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